Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

Vicxas · 13-05-2014 02:10PM

Reports saying we have had a bid of 27M accepted for Lallana.

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jcsoulinger · 13-05-2014 02:11PM

2 days in and already these transfer story's are doing me bleedin head in!....... Call me for the leaning:-)

LuckyLloyd · 13-05-2014 02:11PM

Konstantinos Mitroglou. Available for ~£10m probably and reasonable enough wages. Would provide a different option to what we currently have available and a good alternate for Sturridge. Had a nightmare in a bad situation at Fulham but has an impressive record.

K-9 · 13-05-2014 02:11PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Kess can drop into conversation how many times he has seen him live etc etc all he wants, but the reality of the situation is that when he plays we look considerably worse at the back. This is backed up by the number of clean sheets we keep in games he plays. Considering he was bought for pretty huge money for a CB, it's fair to expect more.

Correlation does not equal correlation and all that.

Sakho came back when Gerrard was playing the DM role. I find it hard to blame any of the CB's individually with the system we had. The problem still remains with Skrtel and Agger as a partnership, they can be physically out muscled and that would be my concern long term, also both have their individual risks and at this stage of their career, I doubt they'll improve much. For that reason Sakho has more passes for him, first season at the club, injury, unsettled partnerships.

The other thing is this passing thing seems to come up again and again and the stats just don't back it up, and for a CB they don't really lie. One thing is he seems to over hit the pass sometimes but barring that, I'd have no problem with that.

Francie Barrett · 13-05-2014 02:14PM

Am I missing something with Medel, I just don't see where he fits into our system at all. When you look at Gerrard, when we're on the ball, he practically sits beside the two central defenders, recieves the ball, and has the confidence to bring it forward and make long probing passes. Also, when we counter attack, Gerrard has the footballing brain to be able to move the ball forward quickly, even if he himself can't join in due to his aging legs. I don't see Medel coming anywhere near to possessing that kind of ability. What I see is a player who isn't quick at all, who is decent defensively, but who will stick with short sideways/backwards passes. I don't see why we would let go of a player who can do all this already (Lucas).

Kess73 · 13-05-2014 02:14PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Every time I've seen Medel playing, he has Red Card written all over him. Tough git, but goes looking for trouble.
I think that he has already signed for someone else anyhow.

Six yellow cards from 34 league games last season. Not bad considering his style of play.

Puts him on a similar card to game ratio as the likes of Gerrard or Skrtel, and has him being far less of a card magnet than the likes of Lucas.

Kess73 · 13-05-2014 02:17PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Am I missing something with Medel, I just don't see where he fits into our system at all. When you look at Gerrard, when we're on the ball, he practically sits beside the two central defenders, recieves the ball, and has the confidence to bring it forward and make long probing passes. Also, when we counter attack, Gerrard has the footballing brain to be able to move the ball forward quickly, even if he himself can't join in due to his aging legs. I don't see Medel coming anywhere near to possessing that kind of ability. What I see is a player who isn't quick at all, who is decent defensively, but who will stick with short sideways/backwards passes. I don't see why we would let go of a player who can do all this already (Lucas).

Would see Medel as being a good cover player, and one who would be able to shuttle forward to support play.

He looked well capable of doing that for Cardiff and also in Spain before he moved to England. He is never going to pass the ball around like Gerrard can, but he is a tidy passer, and can keep things ticking over, as well as adding a bit of bite to a team.

Given how much Lucas looks to have declined in recent seasons, Medel could make for a handy squad player to have rather than a first team starter.

Morzadec · 13-05-2014 02:18PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

the jury is definitely still out when it comes to Sakho;but considering its his first season, and he was injured for a time then I will reserve judgement til next season.

but if we are still talking about the same things this time next year then its safe to say he has not lived up to the hype.

As far as the Sahko debate goes, I think it's hard to argue with the above.

So far he has not lived up to his fee, but he has not really had a sustained run, and our defensive woes go beyond solely an issue of personnel - it's a team issue, a style issue as well

I am still hopeful that a player that can get into the French team so young, and who many who have watched him quite a lot have only glowing words to say about him, can justify the outlay we made on him.

LuckyLloyd · 13-05-2014 02:18PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Am I missing something with Medel, I just don't see where he fits into our system at all. When you look at Gerrard, when we're on the ball, he practically sits beside the two central defenders, recieves the ball, and has the confidence to bring it forward and make long probing passes. Also, when we counter attack, Gerrard has the footballing brain to be able to move the ball forward quickly, even if he himself can't join in due to his aging legs. I don't see Medel coming anywhere near to possessing that kind of ability. What I see is a player who isn't quick at all, who is decent defensively, but who will stick with short sideways/backwards passes. I don't see why we would let go of a player who can do all this already (Lucas).

You don't need to let Lucas go. You can bring Medel in for relative buttons and you will have tactical flexibility sitting there which could be very handy over the course of a (we hope) ~60 game season.

Utopia Parkway · 13-05-2014 02:20PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Telegraph now saying we want Shaw and Konoplyanka.

Chris Bascombe saying Konoplyanka, Lallana, Shaw and Caulker are all targets.

Bascombe has sources on Merseyside having covered that beat for years but hard to know if he's just recycling names that have been linked recently.

Stargate · 13-05-2014 02:22PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Coates should be sold imho. He does not look like he has a chance at making it at Liverpool.

Ilori I would like to see get another season or half season out on loan to a british club, similar to what Wisdom got at Derby.

Agreed Kess

Agueroooo · 13-05-2014 02:23PM

I would be amazed if Coates is not sold tbh

Knex* · 13-05-2014 02:24PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

I would be amazed if Coates is not sold tbh

So much so that I forget about him.

mike65 · 13-05-2014 02:26PM

Given what I've seen of Coates for Nacional and that he is in the "preliminary" WC squad (that is to say not on stand-by) I'd hang fire on shifting him, give him the pre-season to make a case.

Dickerty · 13-05-2014 02:30PM

mike65 wrote: »

Given what I've seen of Coates for Nacional and that he is in the "preliminary" WC squad (that is to say not on stand-by) I'd hang fire on shifting him, give him the pre-season to make a case.

Or at least to get him in the shop window. Hope he gets a few mins in Brazil, that'll add a million or two...

skywalker · 13-05-2014 02:41PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Am I missing something with Medel, I just don't see where he fits into our system at all. When you look at Gerrard, when we're on the ball, he practically sits beside the two central defenders, recieves the ball, and has the confidence to bring it forward and make long probing passes. Also, when we counter attack, Gerrard has the footballing brain to be able to move the ball forward quickly, even if he himself can't join in due to his aging legs. I don't see Medel coming anywhere near to possessing that kind of ability. What I see is a player who isn't quick at all, who is decent defensively, but who will stick with short sideways/backwards passes. I don't see why we would let go of a player who can do all this already (Lucas).

Id see him coming on for Gerrard when we have blitzed teams in the first 30 mins & are looking to close things out calmly. Call it insurance to keep Gerrard fit for more important games (champions league). Lucas looks like the legs are gone & is starting to look like a liability.

djPSB · 13-05-2014 02:42PM

Caulker is hardly an improvement on what's already there.

Dickerty · 13-05-2014 02:43PM

skywalker wrote: »

Id see him coming on for Gerrard when we have blitzed teams in the first 30 mins & are looking to close things out calmly. Call it insurance to keep Gerrard fit for more important games (champions league). Lucas looks like the legs are gone & is starting to look like a liability.

I'd prefer Masc to do the same job, although as a starter, if he's an option.
Would like a player who can play 10 in a row if injuries require it...

djPSB · 13-05-2014 02:44PM

Off topic but..

Gerrard's set pieces this season have been jizztastic.

Worth at least £11m alone.

Gbear · 13-05-2014 02:47PM

djPSB wrote: »

Off topic but..

Gerrard's set pieces this season have been jizztastic.

Worth at least £11m alone.

At least if Borini comes back we'll have someone else who doesn't totally **** the bed when taking penalties.

Gbear · 13-05-2014 02:49PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

You don't need to let Lucas go. You can bring Medel in for relative buttons and you will have tactical flexibility sitting there which could be very handy over the course of a (we hope) ~60 game season.

I don't see what Lucas offers anymore in any circumstance. At this stage I'd rather stick someone like Rossiter on.

He's just too slow to do anything anymore. It's a real shame. I had really high hopes before his injury and he comes across as incredibly sound as well.

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2014 02:54PM

Gbear wrote: »

I don't see what Lucas offers anymore in any circumstance. At this stage I'd rather stick someone like Rossiter on.

He's just too slow to do anything anymore. It's a real shame. I had really high hopes before his injury and he comes across as incredibly sound as well.

That's a joke right?

Thud · 13-05-2014 02:57PM

We've picked up a few world cup stars after the last few world cups who were relatively unheralded prior to the world cups...

this fella..

and this fella (albeit 6mths later)..

Any thoughts on who might star this year that we mightn't have heard of yet?

DaveSuarez · 13-05-2014 02:58PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Chris Bascombe saying Konoplyanka, Lallana, Shaw and Caulker are all targets.

Bascombe has sources on Merseyside having covered that beat for years but hard to know if he's just recycling names that have been linked recently.

It's one of those stupid transfer guides that has every club in the leagues "wanted list"

Suarez and Messi are on City's apparently. I wouldn't read a lot lot into it.

BeepBeep67 · 13-05-2014 03:02PM

Any news yet on who's travelling with the team to play Rovers tomorrow?

Francie Barrett · 13-05-2014 03:05PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

You don't need to let Lucas go. You can bring Medel in for relative buttons and you will have tactical flexibility sitting there which could be very handy over the course of a (we hope) ~60 game season.

I still don't really see how it works.

When Gerrard has played as the deepest lying midfielder, Lucas has looked lost when started in the more advanced role. For me, that rules out starting Lucas and Gerrard in the same team. I reckon Medel would fall into the same boat as Lucas if paired with Gerrard. It would be comical to imagine Medel as a fast counter attacker, breaking into the opposition box like Henderson or Allen do quite often.

For me, I reckon Rodgers has seen how Gerrard has slotted into the defensive midfield role and has done as much as Lucas defensively, but offered 100% more offensively. Instead of looking at a player like Lucas or Medel who only do one thing well, he'll be looking at someone who has both the defensive and offensive aspects to his game. That is why I would be crying out for someone like Javi Martinez (or someone similar). I think the days when a defensively midfielder could be measured by just his tackles/interceptions may be ending in the Premier League to be honest.

Augmerson · 13-05-2014 03:05PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Chris Bascombe saying Konoplyanka, Lallana, Shaw and Caulker are all targets.

Bascombe has sources on Merseyside having covered that beat for years but hard to know if he's just recycling names that have been linked recently.

Thought Utd signed Shaw?

Francie Barrett · 13-05-2014 03:13PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

That's a joke right?

I wouldn't go that far, but I would absolutely be looking to blood Rossiter in the FA Cup/League Cup next season. He's the deserved young player of the year, he has been making the bench and match day squads for months now, he's a local lad, he has determination and he has a fantastic engine.

Mr Alan · 13-05-2014 03:42PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Actually Alan, I think you will find that I did respond to the question that you asked directly of me and I also gave reasons as to why I think he has done fine during the season just gone.

I mentioned that I see him live simply because I am a regular match goer and as such would have my views on a player influenced as much by off the ball play as I do by on the ball play.

So you asked for an opinion from me on the player, I gave you my opinion and also explained what influenced my opinion, and I see no attempt in return from you to actually have any sort of conversation in which you put across your pov as to why he has had a "very disappointing" season.

Maybe you could tell me as to what exactly, in your opinion of course, he did wrong so often in his 19 games as a left back, part of a CB trio, and part of a CB duo that made him such a disappointing player in your eyes. He must have been really poor in your eyes for the majority of his 19 games for you to describe him as being "very disappointing".

Am actually curious as to what you think about him as a player, because it seems like you have made up your mind on him already.

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I too have explained my issues with him to date.

Put simply, when he plays our defence as a unit operates at a much lower level than when he doesn't play.

Then there's the fact that he cost the guts of £20m which is a huge amount of money for a defender. When paying that much for a defender, I'd expect they go straight into the first team and play at a high level. He hasn't done that and at the minute there's as many people who don't think he'll make it at Liverpool as there is who think he looks good. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Agent Coulson · 13-05-2014 03:47PM

Collected my jersey from elvery sports

Just wanted to thank the OP for alerting me/us to the deal!

Lovely Jersey for €35.99

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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