Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

5starpool · 12-05-2014 09:56PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Henderson was the guts of 20m. There was some moaning about his price even at the start of this season.

Worth every penny imo

That doesn't mean that Lallana will be worth it.

Gmol · 12-05-2014 10:03PM

5starpool wrote: »

That doesn't mean that Lallana will be worth it.

He will, we will need strength in depth in the position him and Coutinho play, he is a player with an ability to pick defences, press teams and score goals. If we get him he will add a new dimension to the team.

daithijjj · 12-05-2014 10:04PM

djPSB wrote: »

Don't think anyone is saying he would be a bad signing.

But that there are better players available for £25m.

Nobody knows what he will cost no more than they know what Rakitic will cost for example. If we go by the rumours Rakitic goes for 40m and Lallana for 20m.

We wont be buying players for 40m.

Utopia Parkway · 12-05-2014 10:05PM

Think Lallana is definitely a talented player but slightly put out by the Echo describing him as Liverpool's number 1 target this Summer.

Hidalgo · 12-05-2014 10:08PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Nobody knows what he will cost no more than they know what Rakitic will cost for example. If we go by the rumours Rakitic goes for 40m and Lallana for 20m.

We wont be buying players for 40m.

I thought Rakitic was mentioned in the £15m bracket.
If Madrid are interested then that's the end of it. If they want him they'll get him

Vicxas · 12-05-2014 10:13PM

Lallana has a bang of Charlie adam off it.

Call me pessimistic

djPSB · 12-05-2014 10:15PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Lallana has a bang of Charlie adam off it.

Call me pessimistic

Comparing Lallana to Adam is like comparing a Panda to a bag of coal.

They are not in anyway similar.

Slattsy · 12-05-2014 10:16PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Lallana has a bang of Charlie adam off it.

Call me pessimistic

Call you deluded.

(sorry)

BenEadir · 12-05-2014 10:18PM

mosstin wrote: »

You actually think that we won't get more than that for Suarez? You're forgetting that Costa's buyout clause is significantly lower than Suarez's. That's before you even begin to consider his form and returns over the past 3 seasons.

Luis will be twenty seven and a half by the time the new season starts. He's got 4 more years at his peak. £50m transfer fee + £250,000 a week over four years = another £52m. That equates to £25m a year over the full contract and he'd have little transfer value at the end, would likely add a year or two to the contract on similar wages or head back to South America on a free.

Maybe Real would do a deal like £50m in transfer fee + £52m in wages but there's no way they'll do more than £60m + wages on a 27.5 year old. Bookmark that!!! :P

Ben

Utopia Parkway · 12-05-2014 10:20PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Lallana has a bang of Charlie adam off it.

Call me pessimistic

I wouldn't go that far now. Lallana is a far better player than Adam ever was.

Can dribble, good with both feet, makes intelligent runs and has an innate understanding of finding time and space on a football field.

I just don't think Lallana as our number 1 target along with 4 or 5 "lesser" players will be enough to challenge on all fronts for next season.

I'd still like to see them go in for Konoplyanka or Griezmann as well as Lallana before turning attention to some defenders.

messinkiapina · 12-05-2014 10:20PM

djPSB wrote: »

Comparing Lallana to Adam is like comparing a Panda to a bag of coal.

They are not in anyway similar.

You could definitely confuse one for the other, at a distance.

Morzadec · 12-05-2014 10:23PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Im bookmarking some stuff so that in a years time im going to rehash it and embarrass said posters with their views over Lallana.

As you were.

I think Lallana's a good player who would no doubt improve the squad, but I wouldn't expect any major fireworks from him.

Imo he would probably be to Sterling/Coutinho what Allen is to Henderson - very capable backup who would possibly make some question whether he should be backup at all.

Obviously you rate him highly, but I'm interested - which of the 3 younger players (who might step it up even another level on a very impressive season) do you think Lallana is currently an upgrade on:

Henderson at CM?
Coutinho at CM or AM?
Sterling at AM or out wide?

Of the 3 he maybe could be seen as a more stable, more consistent, but less exciting version of Coutinho - not sure if necessarily better overall.

With CL, squad depth will be important and he would play an important part, but I'm not sure if I see him as improving anything other than quality in depth (which of course is nothing to turn one's nose up at) which I would've hoped for more than for the reported figure.

Gerrard

Henderson--Coutinho--

Sterling

Suarez---Sturridge---

Who does Lallana displace there? It is a squad game of course, but I'm just not sure I see the upgrade.

It's nothing about him being English, just think that one good (but hardly mind-blowing) season does not equate to the fee being touted, and that he probably is not quite as good, and I would say certainly not an upgrade, on some of the young players we have currently playing in the positions he favours.

I wouldn't be angry if we signed him for the reported fee - I think he's a good player and I wouldn't imagine him being a major flop. But he's not the type of player that gets me excited and thinking that we can challenge for the league again and Champions League - a player like Kono or Ratikic would.

mike65 · 12-05-2014 10:23PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

I thought Rakitic was mentioned in the £15m bracket.
If Madrid are interested then that's the end of it. If they want him they'll get him

Rakitic is a £25 million player probably

murpho999 · 12-05-2014 10:23PM

I'm happy to see us go for Lallana.
He's had 2 not 1 good seasons in the premiership and is now a full World Cup international.

Think he'll fit very nicely into our attack and give us more options next season.

Not too worried about the fee as I think the club have a transfer plan drawn up for this season and don't want to be scrambling around for players like last summer with Mkhitaryan and Willian.

Wouldn't worry about the Echo comment of "No 1 transfer" that's just journo talk.

the incredible pudding · 12-05-2014 10:28PM

Lallana is a very good player and would be a good addition to our team. I don't think we're going to be signing any attacking player that can jump into our first 11 as, from an attacking point of view, we've a very good team and don't have the cash to buy someone that's top class. Our bench is awful though, and there's a strong need to improve it with some quality. I don't think 20 is crazy money for him but wouldn't want it to go beyond that.

I haven't seen enough of Kono other than seeing 3-4 games where he played to know that he'd necessarily be an improvement on Lallana. He's faster and marginally better at dribbling but I wasn't too impressed by his end product when I saw him play.

5starpool · 12-05-2014 10:32PM

For 20m we should be getting a guaranteed first team starter that will improve us. I don't think at this time that we are getting that with Lallana. If we sign him I would be delighted to have this post requoted by Daithijjj in 12 months to show how wrong I was, but I can't see him being that pivotal to us.

Morzadec · 12-05-2014 10:34PM

If it's Lallana + Kono + a CM to partner Henderson + sorting out the defence then I can get on board with it and if we overpay by £5m or so, then so be it.

It's just I have a feeling that Lallana is going to be our only attacking signing and while some might say we don't need to improve the attack, I wouldn't want to rest on our laurels and would want to try to add even more goals to this team.

Nerdlingr · 12-05-2014 10:38PM

Gerrard
Henderson-Lallana
Sterling

Midfield for next year with the likes of Allen and Coutinho to come off the bench.
I think he'd be a fantastic signing if we got him. He could slot right in. No language barrier problems likes some of our other signings. No needing time to adjust to a different league. Plays football the way Rodgers wants. He's at the peak or reaching his peak as a footballer. I dont really see any negatives with it. Now if we can get Clyne and Lovren as well I'd be well chuffed!!

googled eyes · 12-05-2014 10:39PM

Oliver Kay ‏@OliverKayTimes 1m
And the overall LMA Manager of the Year* is ....... Brendan Rodgers

(*Across all four divisions, voted for by all the managers)

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googled eyes · 12-05-2014 10:41PM

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 1m
Brendan Rodgers 'very privileged and humbled' but 'I was hoping to be on the open-top bus tonight'

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Utopia Parkway · 12-05-2014 10:41PM

Lallana is also an Evertonian so would follow in a great line of Evertonians who have been stars playing for Liverpool.:D

daithijjj · 12-05-2014 10:41PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

I thought Rakitic was mentioned in the £15m bracket.
If Madrid are interested then that's the end of it. If they want him they'll get him

He has a 40m euro clause according to various articles i have seen going past in my twitter feed anyway.

mosstin · 12-05-2014 10:45PM

BenThere wrote: »

Luis will be twenty seven and a half by the time the new season starts. He's got 4 more years at his peak. £50m transfer fee + £250,000 a week over four years = another £52m. That equates to £25m a year over the full contract and he'd have little transfer value at the end, would likely add a year or two to the contract on similar wages or head back to South America on a free.

Maybe Real would do a deal like £50m in transfer fee + £52m in wages but there's no way they'll do more than £60m + wages on a 27.5 year old. Bookmark that!!! :P

Ben

You've got the wrong man - I'm not bookmarking anything. We'll get at least 70 million for Suarez. Real tend not to be the most logical when it comes to transfer fees. Should be other interest also which will further inflate the price. Still think we'll get another season from him.

googled eyes · 12-05-2014 10:47PM

On the first day of the next season, before a ball gets kicked the KOP should chant

" We're gonna win the league !"

Just to p!ss everyone else off

klose · 12-05-2014 10:48PM

Coutinho has struggled in some away games this year and is what, 21? , sterling is 19 ffs. We cant rely on these players for what will hopefully be 45-50 game season its not hard to see why lallana fits in and rodgers wants him. Him and kono as attacking reinforcements would be a serious step forward.

nullzero · 12-05-2014 10:48PM

googled eyes wrote: »

On the first day of the next season, before a ball gets kicked the KOP should chant

" We're gonna win the league !"

Just to p!ss everyone else off

How subversive.
"Take that rival fans".

Grayditch · 12-05-2014 10:50PM

Nullzero in "nothing nice to say in the Liverpool thread" shocker.

googled eyes · 12-05-2014 10:52PM

nullzero wrote: »

How subversive.
"Take that rival fans".

See its annoyed nullzero already

Morzadec · 12-05-2014 10:53PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Gerrard
Henderson-Lallana
Sterling

Midfield for next year with the likes of Allen and Coutinho to come off the bench.
I think he'd be a fantastic signing if we got him. He could slot right in. No language barrier problems likes some of our other signings. No needing time to adjust to a different league. Plays football the way Rodgers wants. He's at the peak or reaching his peak as a footballer. I dont really see any negatives with it. Now if we can get Clyne and Lovren as well I'd be well chuffed!!

A soon to be 22 Coutinho with that season full of experience under his belt > Lallana IMO.

Seriously Coutinho has so much raw talent, he just needs to refine his play a bit, work on some of his decision making a bit, improve his shooting and he will be a star.

If I thought Lallana was even nearly as good as I believe Coutinho will become I would say 20m is a good price.

I guess it would be nice to have another option as Cout blows hot and cold at times, but IMO he has so much more in his locker than Lallana

daithijjj · 12-05-2014 10:55PM

Morzadec wrote: »

I think Lallana's a good player who would no doubt improve the squad, but I wouldn't expect any major fireworks from him.

Imo he would probably be to Sterling/Coutinho what Allen is to Henderson - very capable backup who would possibly make some question whether he should be backup at all.

Obviously you rate him highly, but I'm interested - which of the 3 younger players (who might step it up even another level on a very impressive season) do you think Lallana is currently an upgrade on:

Henderson at CM?
Coutinho at CM or AM?
Sterling at AM or out wide?

Of the 3 he maybe could be seen as a more stable, more consistent, but less exciting version of Coutinho - not sure if necessarily better overall.

With CL, squad depth will be important and he would play an important part, but I'm not sure if I see him as improving anything other than quality in depth (which of course is nothing to turn one's nose up at) which I would've hoped for more than for the reported figure.

Gerrard
Henderson--Coutinho--
Sterling
Suarez---Sturridge---

Who does Lallana displace there? It is a squad game of course, but I'm just not sure I see the upgrade.

It's nothing about him being English, just think that one good (but hardly mind-blowing) season does not equate to the fee being touted, and that he probably is not quite as good, and I would say certainly not an upgrade, on some of the young players we have currently playing in the positions he favours.

I wouldn't be angry if we signed him for the reported fee - I think he's a good player and I wouldn't imagine him being a major flop. But he's not the type of player that gets me excited and thinking that we can challenge for the league again and Champions League - a player like Kono or Ratikic would.

The thing with Lallana is, he could play all those positions and do it more than justice. But to my mind he would be a player who would take Coutinho's place if i had to pick one.

I'd like to elaborate further but i dont have time just now. Id rather do a proper write up than do it half hearted.

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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