Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

thebigredone · 06-04-2014 01:59PM

adox wrote: »

Klop, Ancelotti, Van Gaal? I'm sure there are other options. Whoever came in, their first point of business should be to get the players onside, play with some positive tactics, let the players express themselves and stamp his personality on the team and club in general.

So the squad of players is fine as it is?

adox · 06-04-2014 02:00PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Did I say that?? I would have rio, vidic and Evans gone. Bring in two top defenders with good fitness records. Do u have a problem with that?

You didn't say anything apart from the defence needs rebuilding and our defenders are injury prone hence why I asked twice if you wanted rid of the three.

So the only difference in opinion on this point we have is I'd keep Evans and only bring in one CB.

adox · 06-04-2014 02:01PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Nice use of buzzwords there

Jesus.

What buzzwords are these exactly? The surnames of managers?

Deiseboy01 · 06-04-2014 02:02PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

love this type of post here. "Moyes didn't buy two players from my FM13 / 14 fantasy team so he is useless at signing players" Fellaini hasn't found form butbhe was great for Everton andbia great for Belgium. Hes a great player and has proven that in many a game against united

also love your next tpoint. Disregard Moyes' good signings because they are obviously good. By that logic managers can only take credit for signing quality unknown players. Good job you fcuking hipster

Ps apologies for spelling, windows phones are ****e

A) I don't play FM whatever the fcuk so you can bin that rubbish comment

Fellaini has been utter muck for us this year, he was decent for Everton having the ball lumped to him but has shown nothing else anytime I've seen him. He's about as far away from a great player as you or I am.

C) disregarding signing Mata because my mother could have told you he was decent.

adox · 06-04-2014 02:03PM

thebigredone wrote: »

So the squad of players is fine as it is?

Where did I say that?

Certainly good enough to challenge for top four in its current state.

xtal191 · 06-04-2014 02:04PM

We have a better squad than Everton and Arsenal, its a complete joke that we're not in the top four.

jane82 · 06-04-2014 02:05PM

With regards moyes and management and martinez. Comparing them in 1 year is unfair. Moyes first year at preston was a relegation battle. He then went on to take them up a couple of divisions to a play off. His first year at everton was a relegation battle he then took them up to where they got to.
Hes not very good in his first year I think thats why he wanted a six year contract.
He came into a club that were abyssmal until scholes came out of retirement and scholes retired.
He has to ship out players very liked in the dressing room Evra and Ferdinand being two. He cant just drop them sadly because the whole team could turn.
Sir Alex could have kicked them both out a new manager cant. It takes time. He has outlined how he wants the 4 at the front interchangeing he cant do it yet because Ferdinand and Vidic and Evra are shown up anytime there is space between them and the goalkeeper. Rvp doesnt seem to want to interchange or even move around alot.
Carrick slows other teams counter attacks but still Evra doesnt get back in time.
If he had of came in and dropped all these players he would have lost the dressing room right from the start.
Fellaini was constantly outjumped by smaller players against Bayarn and his signing is my only real problem but I think he had to buy somebody and nobody would come because either players were worried about a first transfer season under a new manager or the money offered wasnt enough.

thebigredone · 06-04-2014 02:07PM

adox wrote: »

Where did I say that?

Certainly good enough to challenge for top four in its current state.

You didn't say it! You didn't say anything other than the old football clichés! Who would you then have to replace anchelotti or van gaal when they moved on in 2/3 years?

adox · 06-04-2014 02:12PM

thebigredone wrote: »

You didn't say it! You didn't say anything other than the old football clichés! Who would you then have to replace anchelotti or van gaal when they moved on in 2/3 years?

What old football cliches?

As for your second question, it's ridiculous.

FatherTed · 06-04-2014 02:16PM

Sickens me to see McCarthy do so well for Everton e.g. like today against Arsenal. Could have had a player 10 times better than Fellaini and saved about 10mil in the process. Would have been perfect for us.

thebigredone · 06-04-2014 02:16PM

adox wrote: »

What old football cliches?

As for your second question, it's ridiculous.

What's ridiculous about it??

Getting players onside,
Stamping his personality on the team,
Players expressing themselves,
Etc.,
All football clichés.

adox · 06-04-2014 02:20PM

thebigredone wrote: »

What's ridiculous about it??

Asking me who should replace the next manager in your time alloted 2-3 years. Utterly ridiculous.

thebigredone wrote: »

Getting players onside,
Stamping his personality on the team,
Players expressing themselves,
Etc.,
All football clichés

You may think they are all cliches but they are all things that Moyes has failed to do in his tenure and are needed by a new manager as a starting point. I was answering the question being asked.

Will I Amnt · 06-04-2014 02:26PM

thebigredone wrote: »

What's ridiculous about it??

Getting players onside,
Stamping his personality on the team,
Players expressing themselves,
Etc.,
All football clichés.

At the end of the day, he can answer whatever way he likes, the boy done well. You know yourself there's more than one way of looking at it, six of one, half a dozen of the other, it's a game of 2 halves ffs.

thebigredone · 06-04-2014 02:30PM

adox wrote: »

Asking me who should replace the next manager in your time alloted 2-3 years. Utterly ridiculous.

You may think they are all cliches but they are all things that Moyes has failed to do in his tenure and are needed by a new manager as a starting point. I was answering the question being asked.

The only club carlo ancelotti has managed for more than 3 years is ac milan, a team he played for with lots of success in the 80s! Van gaal longest tenure as a coach was 6 years at ajax starting in the early 90s, every other club was 2/3 years! Except the title winning team at az which was 4. These aren't numbers im plucking from thin air.

It's all well and good stamping your authority and personality on a team but when that team is currently made up of a large number of players over 30 that job becomes a bit more difficult. When a large proportion of those players are going to leave at the end of the season the first thing any coach is going to have to do replace them, especially when they're first team players.

Also how does a coach stamp his authority and personality on a team, getting a team to play his way, and then also get them to go out and express themselves every week?

I think you're the ridiculous one here, thinking changing the manager is problem solved!

adox · 06-04-2014 02:45PM

thebigredone wrote: »

The only club carlo ancelotti has managed for more than 3 years is ac milan, a team he played for with lots of success in the 80s! Van gaal longest tenure as a coach was 6 years at ajax starting in the early 90s, every other club was 2/3 years! Except the title winning team at az which was 4. These aren't numbers im plucking from thin air.

So are you trying to say Utd should only entertain managers that have a record of staying at clubs on a long term basis?

Whether the next manager stays for 2 or 10 years, it is ridiculous to ask who should replace him when he does leave.

thebigredone wrote: »

It's all well and good stamping your authority and personality on a team but when that team is currently made up of a large number of players over 30 that job becomes a bit more difficult. When a large proportion of those players are going to leave at the end of the season the first thing any coach is going to have to do replace them, especially when they're first team players.

Also how does a coach stamp his authority and personality on a team, getting a team to play his way, and then also get them to go out and express themselves every week?

A coach can stamp his personality and authority on a team and the players can still express themselves.

thebigredone wrote: »

I think you're the ridiculous one here, thinking changing the manager is problem solved!

I never said it would be problem solved but it would be the biggest single factor in correcting the problem. The squad as is it should be at least in the top four and with 4 additions challenging for the title.

shadowcomplex · 06-04-2014 02:51PM

It will be a sad day if we sell Kagawa in the summer, do ye think we can accommodate Rooney Mata Kagawa and Jaunzai all in the one team if we sell RVP or will we still have to drop 1 from Januzai or Kagawa?

redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 02:51PM

adox wrote: »

I never said it would be problem solved but it would be the biggest single factor in correcting the problem..

Well, moyes will be our manager next season, so it's really a pointless debate.

Backstreet Moyes · 06-04-2014 02:52PM

If RVP goes in the summer i hope he is used as a bargaining chip for one of Juve's midfielders.

06-04-2014 02:53PM

shadowcomplex wrote: »

It will be a sad day if we sell Kagawa in the summer, do ye think we can accommodate Rooney Mata Kagawa and Jaunzai all in the one team if we sell RVP or will we still have to drop 1 from Januzai or Kagawa?

He has proven his quality again against Newcastle, he really did play well with Mata along side him, (both in there preferred positions) Criminal to let him go.

redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 02:57PM

shadowcomplex wrote: »

It will be a sad day if we sell Kagawa in the summer, do ye think we can accommodate Rooney Mata Kagawa and Jaunzai all in the one team if we sell RVP or will we still have to drop 1 from Januzai or Kagawa?

I think we can play all four, yes, but only if you have two central midfielders behind them who are really on their game.

Hococop · 06-04-2014 02:57PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

If RVP goes in the summer i hope he is used as a bargaining chip for one of Juve's midfielders.

Won't get the money in italy maybe PSG

thebigredone · 06-04-2014 03:00PM

adox wrote: »

So are you trying to say Utd should only entertain managers that have a record of staying at clubs on a long term basis?

Whether the next manager stays for 2 or 10 years, it is ridiculous to ask who should replace him when he does leave.

A coach can stamp his personality and authority on a team and the players can still express themselves.

I never said it would be problem solved but it would be the biggest single factor in correcting the problem. The squad as is it should be at least in the top four and with 4 additions challenging for the title.

I absolutely am saying they should be looking to give a manager with a long term plan a long term opportunity. Theres nothing ridiculous about asking about future managerial targets because not doing so is acting as blindly as you think united have in appointing moyes! Especially when you know you're only going to get 3 years out of them.

How do you think it would work with a different coach every few years stamping his different personality and style of play on a squad of players? The teams that have done that, man city, chelsea, real madrid, have all spent huge amounts of money with a high turnover of players! If the players don't fit the managers philosophy they're gone!

bradlente · 06-04-2014 03:01PM

GSPfan wrote: »

At the moment we have 3 players for the number 9 position and 3 for the number 10.

RVP/Chico/Welbeck and Rooney/Mata/Kagawa.

I cant tell you for sure but i'd be shocked if at any stage this season all 6 of these players were fit.

I'd sell Chico before RvP every time. I just don't know how people would want to see RVP sold when they also admit Chico cant fill his role effectively.

Rooney would be the one replacing him if it happened,with Mata getting his natural starting role and Kagawa getting much more game time there too as he'd only be 2nd in line.
If RVP stays I think it signals 2 of those 6 leaving,if he goes I think the 5 can work together as a cohesive unit as both positions won't be "locked down",2 players just won't be able to accept being third in line for a place in the team.
Right now it could be a question of quality vs quantity.I think quantity might be the right way to go as keeping as many potentially world class players is good for the future of the team.Getting rid of one world class player is definitely a big risk,but I think it's the better of the two options personally.