Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

RichFTW · 06-04-2014 01:26PM

adox wrote: »

Try reading my post again. You've listed three defenders there, which is addressed in my post.

Yes having to replace 3 defenders out of a back 4 constitutes an overhaul in my view!

My point, that boggled your mind, was that the major problem is the defence which affects how the team plays going forward.

Hococop · 06-04-2014 01:28PM

Quandary wrote: »

Excluding a loss today, Arsenal would need to lose 2 more games and draw at least 1 of their remaining 5 for us to draw level on points with them. And that is based on us winning all our remaining fixtures (beating EVerton at Goodison in the process!!)

4th is most definitely well gone unfortunately!

their last 5 games

H westham
A Hull
H Newcastle
H Westbrom
A Norwich

in reality to only 2 game i see causing them problems is the away games, other thing is the FA cup for them could cause them problems

like you ive accepted 4th is gone for us but ill be happy if we have a strong finish to the season

GSPfan · 06-04-2014 01:29PM

To be honest I don't think RVP would mind being rested more often. The fella spends half his time rehabing in Holland. The second he gets an injury his plane ticket is booked.

06-04-2014 01:29PM

spiralism wrote: »

Watching Everton, they look class and better than they ever have under DM. A damning indictment if ever.

Martinez is tactically superior to Moyes imo.

If they win today they are 2 points from their highest ever total in the premier league.

beno619 · 06-04-2014 01:29PM

Hococop wrote: »

big thing is chelsea will want to keep lukaku, they could get barry but he is on big wages at city so he would have to take a big drop, intresting to see how they get on next season

Nope Mourinho doesn't fancy him.

Lol so are the pro Moyes gang still bashing Martinez ? Everton are no better this year than they were with Moyes ayy ?

adox · 06-04-2014 01:30PM

So so far this season it's been:

Evras fault
Rios fault
Vidics fault
Rafaels fault
Carricks fault
Valencias fault
Youngs fault
Last week Fellains fault
This week RVPs fault

And now it's Fergies fault!!!

People coming on here saying the midfield is weak as if it's some sort of revelation and using it to defend Moyes abysmal showing this season is embarrassing. We all know the midfield is weak, it's been discussed to death the last three seasons. It is in no way an excuse for Moyes and his tactics and it's a lazy argument to excuse his total ineptness this season.

Has the kit man been blamed yet for our current predicament?

redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 01:32PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Martinez is tactically superior to Moyes imo.

If they win today they are 2 points from their highest ever total in the premier league.

Or maybe rye just have a better squad than they've had for the last 20 years. I remember the shambles that was there when moyes took over.

DM_7 · 06-04-2014 01:32PM

GSPfan wrote: »

So it looks like we may be in a Europe League nightmare next year and you are worried about who will get games? Do you remember 99? Our finest strike force in living memory for me and we had 4 first choice strikers.

Don't worry about what will happen when they are all fit cause it rarely happens. Worry about when half of them are injured cause that happens all the time.

We had four strikers for two places back then.

At the moment we have one spot for four, Hernandez has lost out as he doesn't play other positions and is not RVP. He is going if RVP doesn't imo. He has sat on the sidelines enough. That's the reality, we have players that don't want to sit around anymore

Deiseboy01 · 06-04-2014 01:34PM

I've read a fair few posts stating that while the poster does not rate Moyes they do think he ll bring in the right type of player. In effect the next manager will have a good squad to work with post Moyes.

If he keeps the likes of Valencia, Young and Cleverly and let's Hernandez, Kags and Nani leave that will be bad enough but would you trust him to replace those players with better? I'm not too sure.

He was manager at Everton so knew the players inside out yet brought only Fellaini with him. He's been a disaster. For the money we paid I'm pretty sure we could have got both Barkley and Mirallas two players that would have improved us much more than Fellaini. Two players with much more ability than Fellaini possesses.

Mata I'm not even including as evidence to the contrary because anyone who's ever kicked a ball could identity him as a class act.

redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 01:35PM

adox wrote: »

So so far this season it's been:

Evras fault
Rios fault
Vidics fault
Rafaels fault
Carricks fault
Valencias fault
Youngs fault
Last week Fellains fault
This week RVPs fault

And now it's Fergies fault!!!

People coming on here saying the midfield is weak as if it's some sort of revelation and using it to defend Moyes abysmal showing this season is embarrassing. We all know the midfield is weak, it's been discussed to death the last three seasons. It is in no way an excuse for Moyes and his tactics and it's a lazy argument to excuse his total ineptness this season.

Has the kit man been blamed yet for our current predicament?

You're great at making these damning statements, but you didn't address my point about the injury crisis ...

adox · 06-04-2014 01:35PM

RichFTW wrote: »

Yes having to replace 3 defenders out of a back 4 constitutes an overhaul in my view!

My point, that boggled your mind, was that the major problem is the defence which affects how the team plays going forward.

Rio hasn't been in anyway a regular this season, Vidic has been injured a lot and most agree that Evra should never have started most of the games this season.

My point is there are players there, certainly in the CB positions to readily replace them.

To say that the problem with defence is the reason the team have preformed so poorly this season, if that's what you are inferring, is over simplistic, a bit of a cop out and wrong IMO. Apologies if I'm taking you up wrong and it's not what you mean.

spiralism · 06-04-2014 01:36PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Martinez is tactically superior to Moyes imo.

If they win today they are 2 points from their highest ever total in the premier league.

Not hard to be tactically superior to Moyes and his Allardyce tactics though in fairness. Yesterday was the first glimpse of him trying out attacking football. At Man United. In April.

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Or maybe rye just have a better squad than they've had for the last 20 years. I remember the shambles that was there when moyes took over.

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redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 01:38PM

spiralism wrote: »

Not hard to be tactically superior to Moyes and his Allardyce tactics though in fairness. Yesterday was the first glimpse of him trying out attacking football. At Man United. In April.

Ok. What part of my post was so ridiculous?

adox · 06-04-2014 01:38PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

You're great at making these damning statements, but you didn't address my point about the injury crisis ...

What exactly would you like me to address? Our CBs have been injured for a a hell of a lot of the season at various stages. I think they will eventually all be for again and hopefully for a sustained period and are good enough to be first team players. What else have I "not addressed"

Also making damning segments. Lol. I'm giving my opinion. Sure aren't you the one posting that Moyes is left to clean up after Fergies transfer mess?

Hococop · 06-04-2014 01:39PM

beno619 wrote: »

Nope Mourinho doesn't fancy him.

Lol so are the pro Moyes gang still bashing Martinez ? Everton are no better this year than they were with Moyes ayy ?

nope think martinez is a great manager, did very well with wigan (obviously besides getting relegated), i have nothing against him, i meant it will be intresting to see how they do transfer wise and what kind of budget he is given

Vic Vinegar · 06-04-2014 01:39PM

spiralism wrote: »

Moyes and his Allardyce tactics

That's absolute nonsense.

beno619 · 06-04-2014 01:41PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Or maybe rye just have a better squad than they've had for the last 20 years. I remember the shambles that was there when moyes took over.

Yeah Moyes could have done nothing about the quality of their squad ...

As has been pointed out Martinez has transformed the club big club mentality vs Moyes lowering expectations and being trashedby any half decent side in the league.

thebigredone · 06-04-2014 01:42PM

adox wrote: »

So so far this season it's been:

Evras fault
Rios fault
Vidics fault
Rafaels fault
Carricks fault
Valencias fault
Youngs fault
Last week Fellains fault
This week RVPs fault

And now it's Fergies fault!!!

People coming on here saying the midfield is weak as if it's some sort of revelation and using it to defend Moyes abysmal showing this season is embarrassing. We all know the midfield is weak, it's been discussed to death the last three seasons. It is in no way an excuse for Moyes and his tactics and it's a lazy argument to excuse his total ineptness this season.

Has the kit man been blamed yet for our current predicament?

So who would you choose to replace moyes and what should be his first point of business?

redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 01:42PM

adox wrote: »

What exactly would you like me to address? Our CBs have been injured for a a hell of a lot of the season at various stages. I think they will eventually all be for again and hopefully for a sustained period and are good enough to be first team players. What else have I "not addressed"

Also making damning segments. Lol. I'm giving my opinion. Sure aren't you the one posting that Moyes is left to clean up after Fergies transfer mess?

My point is that the current defence is consistently injured. It's year after year. And your reply is that you think they will be good and hope that they remain fit.
Not arguing with you anymore

adox · 06-04-2014 01:47PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

My point is that the current defence is consistently injured. It's year after year. And your reply is that you think they will be good and hope that they remain fit.
Not arguing with you anymore

Didn't realise we were arguing? Players get injured. Sure some are more pone than others. Maybe it's the training and fitness regimes that need to be looked at.

What are you suggesting? Replacing Evans Smalling and Jones and selling those three along with Rio and Vidic because you think they are injury prone?

Those three are good enough to be first team players as they have already proved. Of course I hope they keep fit. I can't predict the future ffs.

Timmyctc · 06-04-2014 01:48PM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

I've read a fair few posts stating that while the poster does not rate Moyes they do think he ll bring in the right type of player. In effect the next manager will have a good squad to work with post Moyes.

If he keeps the likes of Valencia, Young and Cleverly and let's Hernandez, Kags and Nani leave that will be bad enough but would you trust him to replace those players with better? I'm not too sure.

He was manager at Everton so knew the players inside out yet brought only Fellaini with him. He's been a disaster. For the money we paid I'm pretty sure we could have got both Bradley and Mirallas two players that would have improved us much more than Fellaini. Two players with much more ability than Fellaini possesses.

Mata I'm not even including as evidence to the contrary because anyone who's ever kicked a ball could identity him as a class act.

love this type of post here. "Moyes didn't buy two players from my FM13 / 14 fantasy team so he is useless at signing players" Fellaini hasn't found form butbhe was great for Everton andbia great for Belgium. Hes a great player and has proven that in many a game against united

also love your next tpoint. Disregard Moyes' good signings because they are obviously good. By that logic managers can only take credit for signing quality unknown players. Good job you fcuking hipster

Ps apologies for spelling, windows phones are ****e

GSPfan · 06-04-2014 01:50PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

We had four strickers for two places back then.

At the moment we have one for four, Hernandez has lost out as he doesn't play other positions and is not RVP. He is going if RVP doesn't imo. He has sat on the sidelines enough. That's the reality, we have players that don't want to sit around anymore

At the moment we have 3 players for the number 9 position and 3 for the number 10.

RVP/Chico/Welbeck and Rooney/Mata/Kagawa.

I cant tell you for sure but i'd be shocked if at any stage this season all 6 of these players were fit.

I'd sell Chico before RvP every time. I just don't know how people would want to see RVP sold when they also admit Chico cant fill his role effectively.

redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 01:50PM

adox wrote: »

Didn't realise we were arguing? Players get injured. Sure some are more pone than others. Maybe it's the training and fitness regimes that need to be looked at.

What are you suggesting? Replacing Evans Smalling and Jones and selling those three along with Rio and Vidic because you think they are injury prone?

Those three are good enough to be first team players as they have already proved. Of course I hope they keep fit. I can't predict the future ffs.

I'm suggesting united rebuild the defence. I'm sure moyes will during the summer.

adox · 06-04-2014 01:51PM

thebigredone wrote: »

So who would you choose to replace moyes and what should be his first point of business?

Klop, Ancelotti, Van Gaal? I'm sure there are other options. Whoever came in, their first point of business should be to get the players onside, play with some positive tactics, let the players express themselves and stamp his personality on the team and club in general.

adox · 06-04-2014 01:53PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I'm suggesting united rebuild the defence. I'm sure moyes will during the summer.

So you want Smalling Jones and Evans replaced in the summer?

spiralism · 06-04-2014 01:54PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

That's absolute nonsense.

Care to elaborate why? 90% of the season it's been hoof/knock it wide to cross in.

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Ok. What part of my post was so ridiculous?

It's effectively the same squad Moyes had a year ago and they're outperforming what Moyes is doing with the champions?

redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 01:55PM

adox wrote: »

So you want Smalling Jones and Evans replaced in the summer?

Did I say that?? I would have rio, vidic and Evans gone. Bring in two top defenders with good fitness records. Do u have a problem with that?

RichFTW · 06-04-2014 01:55PM

adox wrote: »

Rio hasn't been in anyway a regular this season, Vidic has been injured a lot and most agree that Evra should never have started most of the games this season.

My point is there are players there, certainly in the CB positions to readily replace them.

To say that the problem with defence is the reason the team have preformed so poorly this season, if that's what you are inferring, is over simplistic, a bit of a cop out and wrong IMO. Apologies if I'm taking you up wrong and it's not what you mean.

Agree-ish with the CB point, Jones & Smalling are good enough but a 3rd CB is needed (preferably with more experience) to challenge for a spot. Vidic has played in 28 games this season though and is no where near what he used to be. Rio has played enough to make his mark known! First choice RB injured for most of the season points to the need for more depth at the position too, Smalling is definitely not an RB.

Defence is the main reason is my point (late/sloppy goals conceded which led to the shock results), not the only reason. Deadweight inherited, injuries to the two best players, Moyes' inexperience in a bigger club, farce of a transfer window, stronger competition and the transition problems from following the greatest manager are the others.

Your Airbag · 06-04-2014 01:56PM

adox wrote: »

People are deluded if they think the squad neeeds a major overhaul.

To actually think people have said "how can Moyes be expected to play attacking football if he has to worry about the defence all the time". I mean the mind boggles.

Moyes has slowly chipped away at people's expectations with his awful season in charge, to the point now that some are re writing history.

Vidic is leaving. Rio is too old and unreliable. Evra has been shocking for seasons now and is getting on and looking to leave. Buttner is not UTD standard. Giggs is 40. Cleverly is rubbish. Fletch will never be a consistant starter again for us. Carrick is getting on and not playing well. Young is poor. Val is turgid.

This sqaud needs major inestment. A lot of issues have been left unaddressed for years. Its obvious. Anything else is denial.

redbaron_99 · 06-04-2014 01:58PM

adox wrote: »

Klop, Ancelotti, Van Gaal? I'm sure there are other options. Whoever came in, their first point of business should be to get the players onside, play with some positive tactics, let the players express themselves and stamp his personality on the team and club in general.

Nice use of buzzwords there

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