Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

J. Marston · 24-03-2014 08:38PM

Portuguese forward Bebe has made it clear that he would love to have a future at Manchester United, although nobody from the club has spoken to him lately about their plans for him.

Bebe was signed by United in the summer of 2010 but struggled to make an impact in his first season at Old Trafford and has since been loaned out three times.

Having previously spent time with Besiktas and then Rio Ave, the 23-year-old is currently enjoying a season-long stay with Pacos de Ferreira in his native Portugal.

He has been in fine form for Pacos, netting nine goals in 31 appearances, and hopes he will be given a chance to break through at United next season.

"I still hope to return to Manchester United, but nobody from the club has spoken to me," Bebe said after scoring twice in a 3-1 victory over Arouca on Sunday night.

According to A Bola, a United scout was in attendance to see Bebe in action against Arouca.

The player, who has one year remaining on his United contract, added: "I am in good form and I hope to remain this way."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9230272/bebe-hopes-for-manchester-united-return-after-impressing-on-loan

♫ Baby come back ♫

He won't make it here but he's scored enough crackers to convince me that he'll at least have a somewhat decent career in football.

The_Kew_Tour · 24-03-2014 08:43PM

J. Marston wrote: »

♫ Baby come back ♫

I have that bloody UB40 song in my head now.

Gee Thanks!!!

:pac:

K-9 · 24-03-2014 08:43PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Finishing the season as it has been so far, with more crap football, makes selling a David Moyes United very hard, imo.

Isn't that the reason people would want Moyes gone?

And therefor the worry is that a good run in makes it more likely Moyes will stay, so people aren't particularly that bothered United has a good run in.

If people buy into the idea that Moyes managing United last Summer wasn't a big selling point, he will hardly be a bigger one this Summer, unless they get past Bayern!

As an outsider looking in, United doesn't have to be sold that much as Malta showed, but it might have a bearing if you are up against strong competition for a signing.

Lord TSC · 24-03-2014 08:44PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Is the spending 65 million poorly based on the idea we didn't need Mata?

I love Mata and think Fel will come good. So for me, personally, it's not who we spent the 65m on.

For me though, it comes down to the fact Moyes has the same squad Fergie had, AND 65m worth more of player, and still has taken the team 6 places backwards. And yet some people think just throwing another 200m at Moyes will somehow come good...

Ernest Oreo · 24-03-2014 08:47PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

For me though, it comes down to the fact Moyes has the same squad Fergie had, AND 65m worth more of player, and still has taken the team 6 places backwards. And yet some people think just throwing another 200m at Moyes will somehow come good...

here here..
maybe give him 300m

Will I Amnt · 24-03-2014 08:48PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Well just the scenario of Moyes telling all the lads to bin all their medals because they haven't played the game right would be funny.

Looks to me like something some deluded, conspiracy nut on RAWK put together to try and infer that there was merit in the whole Fergie's Association thing...

Mitch Connor · 24-03-2014 08:49PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I love Mata and think Fel will come good. So for me, personally, it's not who we spent the 65m on.

For me though, it comes down to the fact Moyes has the same squad Fergie had, AND 65m worth more of player, and still has taken the team 6 places backwards. And yet some people think just throwing another 200m at Moyes will somehow come good...

at the same time - i would say the following:

1. We all would have said the squad needed large investment last summer and the previous summer, which it didnt get.
2. A number of the players should be ashamed of themselves - sure the tactical setup has been poor a lot, but individual performances have sucked as well.
3. I feel we overachieved last season under Fergie, winning the league at a canter was a massive shock! Sure, I didn't expect us to be struggling as we are - but I would have considered 3rd place a good result for the season, with 4th being the min.

This season has been a disaster though - with the lack of performances or transition being so feking annoying

bucketybuck · 24-03-2014 08:50PM

Red Crow wrote: »

What has happened to Rafael? I think he finished last year poorly but he has been an absolute liability at the back all season.

The only thing that happened Rafael is that you started listening to message board hysteria.

Rafael was excellent last season and perfectly fine for most of this. A few shaky games and a few cards and some rival fans start to shout "liability", then people like you pop up and wonder why Rafael has been a liability at the back all season.

Its not that long ago that we were lamenting the absence of an injured Rafael and the difference he made to the right flank, and it won't be long until he puts a Ribery or a Bale back in his pocket and people like you will be proclaiming him the best young right back in the world.

Sheepy99 · 24-03-2014 08:53PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

good post there doc
only thing is Moyes has yet to win an important fixture
beating those greeks at home is small time
and united were lucky
could easily have conceded in the first half, and then its curtains

sure if they beat citeh and bayern, put a good few wins back to back over the closing weeks that'll show progress
but they havent a hope in hell of doing this
my worry is that an honourable performance against the germans gives Moyes a little more time, and this time is just wasted - heaven knows what he'd do with a transfer kitty in the summer. and united just cant afford to get another 2/3 transfers wrong
too many people painting over the cracks here, for whatever reason

Arsenal at home?
Liverpool in the league cup? ( was important regardless of the competition )
Think it's just that your midfield has been shown up against those other better sides

Rayne Wooney · 24-03-2014 08:54PM

The way the club are allegedly willing to give him 200m should shed some light on how they see things

Fergie was probably the greatest of AT and could get the best from average players and manage a squad with weak links, maybe the club want to give Moyes a team strong team 1 through 11 without glaring weaknesses before they judge him.

Mitch Connor · 24-03-2014 08:55PM

K-9 wrote: »

Isn't that the reason people would want Moyes gone?

And therefor the worry is that a good run in makes it more likely Moyes will stay, so people aren't particularly that bothered United has a good run in.

But there is the real possibility that Moyes will be given time regardless of what happens over the remainder of the season - which if it turns out to be the case means we need to try be in as good a position as possible for the summer and future seasons.

If you told me finishing 7th meant for certain that Moyes was a goner then I'd possibly change my outlook - as the money, wages and new more appealing manager could sell the project.

As it is, I think Moyes will remain our manager so I want United to be in the best position possible under him - so that the summer isn't a disaster - cause if it is we could be seriously fuked.

Sheepy99 · 24-03-2014 08:55PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

so if united keep the citeh goal tally down (say 3 nil) and keep the bayern aggregate to less than say 4/5, plus united then secure say wins in maybe 60% of their remaining league fixtures - then after all that Moyes has shown enough 'progress' to keep his job til Christmas?

Who said that? That sounds terrible, particulary the 4/5 loss on aggregate and only 60% of league wins

Thecon21 · 24-03-2014 08:56PM

I'm on the 'MoyesOut' side of things but I do not want the team to lose.. I'm actually really looking forward to the game tomorrow, no idea why, I'm sure the excitement will be gone when the team sheet comes out but I'm looking forward to the game!

The West Ham performance was much more impressive than the Olympiakos one imo, Mata needs to play centrally and I thought he linked up with Kagawa well, City are a different animal though so I expect to Welbeck on (which ain't too bad) but in a 4-4-2. If we line up similar to the Olympiakos game, we'll be destroyed..

Will I Amnt · 24-03-2014 08:58PM

I really want a win tomorrow too but I'll be ducking this thread for the night until all the Liverpool fans get their "thanks" in if we do :pac:

Mitch Connor · 24-03-2014 09:01PM

Thecon21 wrote: »

I'm on the 'MoyesOut' side of things but I do not want the team to lose.. I'm actually really looking forward to the game tomorrow, no idea why, I'm sure the excitement will be gone when the team sheet comes out but I'm looking forward to the game!

The West Ham performance was much more impressive than the Olympiakos one imo, Mata needs to play centrally and I thought he linked up with Kagawa well, City are a different animal though so I expect to Welbeck on (which ain't too bad) but in a 4-4-2. If we line up similar to the Olympiakos game, we'll be destroyed..

I'm thinking/hoping Carrick, Fellaini at CM, Welbeck and Valencia on the wing, with Mata off Rooney, and Rooney can swap with Welbeck as/if required.

Lord TSC · 24-03-2014 09:01PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

at the same time - i would say the following:

1. We all would have said the squad needed large investment last summer and the previous summer, which it didnt get.

But Moyes knew that, publicly identified the problem, even managed to bring in a player for the position we needed most. Yes, the squad needs investment; Moyes has had two chances to do it and hasn't managed to.

2. A number of the players should be ashamed of themselves - sure the tactical setup has been poor a lot, but individual performances have sucked as well.

Yeah, some players do need to look at themselves. But then Moyes has the job of motivating them and getting the most out of them, and has failed to do so. He's continually plays some players despite poor form, while refusing to give others a chance at all. Individual performances will always suffer when the tactics are wrong and when the manager is so out of his depth. And I have no doubt that the right manager would be able to get better out of the players than Moyes has. And (not saying you're saying this btw) I don't see the benefit of selling half the team and keeping Moyes, when we could get rid of Moyes, buy 2 or 3 players and be challenging again next season.

3. I feel we overachieved last season under Fergie, winning the league at a canter was a massive shock! Sure, I didn't expect us to be struggling as we are - but I would have considered 3rd place a good result for the season, with 4th being the min.

So would I; I think most people said before hand they wanted Top 3 with a good showing. Most reduced those expectations pretty quickly to Top 4....and then a good cup run....then just "Let's see some attempts at a better style". We keep cutting our expectations rather than accepting the manager is wrong.

Sheepy99 · 24-03-2014 09:02PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Moyes really has done a number on some peoples expectations. From Champions to being fifth (which is still a big ask) is "not bad"?

It's a disaster and deserving of the sack.

In spite of all that if you thought that he was going to keep ye right up there straight away fighting for a title, i'd be inclined to say you're a bit deluded.
Got given a six year contract, Fergie was usually rolling off 2-3 year deals, even your board was expecting the initial fade away and why else would Fergie have gone on his "stick by him" rant when leaving.

Sure ye are used to winning things but i think you're letting the fact that the unexpected happened get to you.
Why is it that as the season has went on that people have forgotten that yer midfield is too weak and in need of a clear out?
I know it's his fault for not strengthening yer squad but sure if he couldn't get them there's no point in him wasting that cash like ye are expecting him to when (not if) he's still around in the summer. Get behind him will you

TheDoc · 24-03-2014 09:02PM

Pro. F wrote: »

TheDoc expected top 4 this season, now he would be happy with 5th. Next season he won't expect top 4. Expectations lowered.

Well I don't know about that.

Happy with 5th in hindsight is a big difference. It factors in the wretched performances..injuries and summer transfer window blunders.

I lowered my expectations this season from assuming a decent title defence and potentially title due to the fact Moyes was new and and such a seismic shift in the club.

My expectations as of now for next year are top four. A settled Moyes will hopefully know what works and if the summer reinforcements go well I don't see anymore excuses.

I never bought into the "he needs time " based purely on how Ferguson started...but I felt a year for the club to settle..a year to hone it in..third year go at it.

I realise that now that's too long a wait. Even a season of rivals cementing above us means they can attract even stronger re enforcements.

If we arnt having a good go next season and mounting a challenge...and outside top 4 by xmas...I'll have no more defence for Moyes to be honest. And I mean looking good. Being sixth or seventh and close to top 4 isn't good enough. We need to be in the mix.

Top 4 my minimum expectations next year. And that's a step back from expecting title challenges under Ferguson but I've moved my expectations based on what I've felt was always going to be a rough start...that got rougher as the season unfolded.

DM_7 · 24-03-2014 09:04PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I love Mata and think Fel will come good. So for me, personally, it's not who we spent the 65m on.

For me though, it comes down to the fact Moyes has the same squad Fergie had, AND 65m worth more of player, and still has taken the team 6 places backwards. And yet some people think just throwing another 200m at Moyes will somehow come good...

Moyes or anyone else would need serious money to fix the issues in the squad. For example Rio, Evra, Vidic need to be replaced. Needs 'that' midfield player.

Moyes hasn't done enough with the squad he inherited and spent money on, I don't think that is up for debate.

At the same time if he does get the opportunity to fix all the problems I think his decisions on players are something he will get right.

I am one of the people that can see Moyes getting better results with his squad rather than an inherited one. But thats something that can be said about most managers.

I am not convinced that results will improve to the level we want based on how he has got the team performing this season, at the same time I'm not convinced he can't based on the things he has spoken about and his career as a manager.

Red Crow · 24-03-2014 09:05PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

The only thing that happened Rafael is that you started listening to message board hysteria.

Rafael was excellent last season and perfectly fine for most of this. A few shaky games and a few cards and some rival fans start to shout "liability", then people like you pop up and wonder why Rafael has been a liability at the back all season.

Its not that long ago that we were lamenting the absence of an injured Rafael and the difference he made to the right flank, and it won't be long until he puts a Ribery or a Bale back in his pocket and people like you will be proclaiming him the best young right back in the world.

People like me?

Don't be so cringey

Mitch Connor · 24-03-2014 09:05PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

We keep cutting our expectations rather than accepting the manager is wrong.

oh i firmly believe the manager is wwrong, but I have no influence on his employment, so I have to hope for the best in general. Hoping Moyes can turn it around.

I have to hope he can do it - because I don't like to see United failing.

If he was fired Wednesday morning I'd be delighted though.

Augmerson · 24-03-2014 09:07PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Looks to me like something some deluded, conspiracy nut on RAWK put together to try and infer that there was merit in the whole Fergie's Association thing...

Jesus christ. It was a United fan who sent me the pic across Facebook. I thought ye might get a laugh out of it, nothing to do with Fergie. Have you seen the movie? It makes a lot of sense and is actually quite funny if you have. It made me lol and he did too.

Seriously not a negative pop at United or Ferguson.

Sheepy99 · 24-03-2014 09:07PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Finishing 5th in a tight fight where we only just missed Top 4 would be ok.

Finishing 5th as the height of our expectations, and having to fight to get even that high, is not ok for the reigning champions.

Since when? Is there a rulebook as to what is/isn't ok for a champion?

These kind of post-title winning season collapses aren't that rare elsewhere, just in a league that for years has had a highly predictable top 6/7

Sheepy99 · 24-03-2014 09:10PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Fifth wouldn't have been an utter catastrophe in isolation. But scraping in to fifth; playing abysmally bad football all season and spending £65m poorly is what we are facing now. That is a shocking effort from the new manager.

It's always easier to look at a situation in isolation.
If ye finished 3rd having spent nothing, there would be plenty of ye giving out that he should have spent, whereas now spending is the last thing ye want him doing in the summer

Will I Amnt · 24-03-2014 09:11PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Jesus christ. It was a United fan who sent me the pic across Facebook. I thought ye might get a laugh out of it, nothing to do with Fergie. Have you seen the movie? It makes a lot of sense and is actually quite funny if you have. It made me lol and he did too.

Seriously not a negative pop at United or Ferguson.

I already said I haven't seen it, I've heard of it, I just don't get the relation of those words to Moyes

Sheepy99 · 24-03-2014 09:12PM

Pro. F wrote: »

The order the results come in is important imo. A run of good results at the end of the season when the pressure is off is far less impressive than the same run of results when you are actually fighting for something important.

Shows what he's capable of though if ye get off his back and give him time.
I feel he will make ye into a good team in time, mightn't play great stuff but beggars can't be choosers at the minute

K-9 · 24-03-2014 09:13PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I really want a win tomorrow too but I'll be ducking this thread for the night until all the Liverpool fans get their "thanks" in if we do :pac:

We need City to drop points and Arsenal can't be depended on to get a draw, so I'll take a United win or a draw no bother!

Probably isn't going to be enough anyway, chances are we'll need Chelsea and City to drop more points anyway.

Lord TSC · 24-03-2014 09:16PM

:rolleyes:

Sheepy99 wrote: »

Since when? Is there a rulebook as to what is/isn't ok for a champion?

These kind of post-title winning season collapses aren't that rare elsewhere, just in a league that for years has had a highly predictable top 6/7

No rulebook. Talking about personal expectations obviously.

Sheepy99 wrote: »

It's always easier to look at a situation in isolation.
If ye finished 3rd having spent nothing, there would be plenty of ye giving out that he should have spent, whereas now spending is the last thing ye want him doing in the summer

Nice strawman.
No one is arguing Moyes shouldn't spend. If he stays, we'll most definitly want him to spend. The problem is we don't want HIM spending the money, but would like someone else doing it. If he'd finished 1st, we'd all be celebrating, if he finished 20th, we'd all be grabbing pitchforks. Rather than talking about what we'd be doing if he did this and that, can we stick with what he is actually doing?

Sheepy99 wrote: »

Shows what he's capable of though if ye get off his back and give him time.
I feel he will make ye into a good team in time, mightn't play great stuff but beggars can't be choosers at the minute

For the most part, Moyes has had a very easy ride; the media have been slow to jump on him, plenty of support from the crowds at OT. At other clubs, he'd have been sacked a while ago, so no one can argue he's not had time so far.

Pro. F · 24-03-2014 09:20PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Is the spending 65 million poorly based on the idea we didn't need Mata?

I think we need him for where the team needs to go and it was a case of getting Mata as he was available in January, when he wouldn't have been available in the summer. Other players may be a priority for this season but they were not available. I think the Mata signing was very smart and along with keeping Rooney onside was excellant management for future seasons.

A few things make me say that Moyes has spent his 65m poorly:

- He still hasn't bought a replacement for Evra. Nor has he bought cover for Rafael.

- Fellaini wasn't a good fit to go with the midfielders we had when he was bought.

- Mata isn't just a player that we don't need, he's a player that doesn't really fit in. He's a fantastic player, but he needs to playing centrally imo. I think he will always be a compromise when playing from wide and spending 37m on a compromise is extremely wasteful. Imo the only justification for spending that money on Mata is if Moyes knows that RvP is going to leave in the summer.

Sheepy99 · 24-03-2014 09:21PM

Thecon21 wrote: »

I'm on the 'MoyesOut' side of things but I do not want the team to lose.. I'm actually really looking forward to the game tomorrow, no idea why, I'm sure the excitement will be gone when the team sheet comes out but I'm looking forward to the game!

The West Ham performance was much more impressive than the Olympiakos one imo, Mata needs to play centrally and I thought he linked up with Kagawa well, City are a different animal though so I expect to Welbeck on (which ain't too bad) but in a 4-4-2. If we line up similar to the Olympiakos game, we'll be destroyed..

I think that tomorrow ye will see what he is capable of, a genius pass or 2 leading to a chance or goal like people were so used to seeing at Chelsea.
At the same time, while he may contribute to a goal or 2 tomorrow, the defensive side of his game is non existent and will cost ye, as was so often the case last year for Chelsea.

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