Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Alpha Dog 1 · 24-03-2014 05:59PM

I wouldn't losing to city if it meant that Liverpool don't win the league.

Mitch Connor · 24-03-2014 06:00PM

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

I wouldn't losing to city if it meant that Liverpool don't win the league.

indeed - I would take a 'moral victory' I suppose

:D

Donnielighto · 24-03-2014 06:00PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

have you the internet hooked up within the Massey Ferguson?

John deere and an aul zetor. The zetor is older than me.

irishfeen · 24-03-2014 06:01PM

Coentrao reports again doing the rounds (£10m) apparently according to Metro

J. Marston · 24-03-2014 06:02PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I don't get this at all, I really don't.

People saying it's all a distraction, masking the poorness and problems with Moyes.

So if the manager turns the teams fortunes around, and starts winning big games, therefore meeting the expectations of the fans, that is somehow a bad thing, in him performing the task he was hired to do.

There are people here literally saying they want the team to get stomped by big clubs, cause if we won, it would show Moyes doing a good job.

That's absolutely mental.

If there was a solid run to the end of the season that included a few big wins, that's not coating over a failing, that's showing signs of progress.

It's such a rubbish stance to take, hoping the team get battered so that the manager gets the sack. Where as the team wins, it's only a temporary thing. So he is damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

Alot of people just have their minds set, and that's fine. But hoping the team get pummeled in the process is absolute lunacy and I'm not buying it, it's a horrible viewpoint not befitting of a supporter.

I'd love to see this thread if Moyes did bring the team to a CL victory, or premier league crown next year. I really would. Would people hold their hands up and go" yea, you know what fair play, turned it around" Or would they continue to carry the " Doesn't deserve it, not up to the job, this is just delaying the inevitable".

People claiming Moyes still in control next year will result in a catastrophe and a degradation of the club is about as accurate as me saying next year Moyes next year will win the title and champions league.

Baseless rubbish with absolutely no REAL evidence to show for it.

You do realise, that if we put a run together for the end of the season, we could finish fifth. That's not a bad finish considering how well the top 4 have played and performed.

I wouldn't be disgruntled with 5th at all. At the start of the season I never envisaged us outside the top 4, but to finish 5th with hindsight seeing what happened, and how the top 4 played, I wouldn't be feeling disgraced at all.

Moyes really has done a number on some peoples expectations. From Champions to being fifth (which is still a big ask) is "not bad"?

It's a disaster and deserving of the sack.

24-03-2014 06:05PM

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

I wouldn't losing to city if it meant that Liverpool don't win the league.

That's the spirit!

Will I Amnt · 24-03-2014 06:12PM

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

I wouldn't losing to city if it meant that Liverpool don't win the league.

They've been in that situation many times over the years, it's only right we get a turn. It's a little consolation for losing.

Timmyctc · 24-03-2014 06:18PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Moyes really has done a number on some peoples expectations. From Champions to being fifth (which is still a big ask) is "not bad"?

It's a disaster and deserving of the sack.

you've literally just twisted what he said to suit your arguement. IN literally the very next line of what you quoted and bolded he said "in hindsight" 5th is a good finish.

Pro. F · 24-03-2014 06:36PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

you've literally just twisted what he said to suit your arguement. IN literally the very next line of what you quoted and bolded he said "in hindsight" 5th is a good finish.

TheDoc expected top 4 this season, now he would be happy with 5th. Next season he won't expect top 4. Expectations lowered.

Lord TSC · 24-03-2014 06:40PM

TheDoc wrote: »

People claiming Moyes still in control next year will result in a catastrophe and a degradation of the club is about as accurate as me saying next year Moyes next year will win the title and champions league.

Baseless rubbish with absolutely no REAL evidence to show for it.

This part I have real issue with. Because there is far more evidence to back up the idea that Moyes will take the club backwards than he will forward towards a title win and the Champions League.

The "real" evidence comes from the fact he's now had two transfer windows and pretty much a full season, and has shown no signs he is up to the latter, but plenty to show he's able to carry out the former. He's only managed to win against one "top" team all season, he's got everyone believing we're about to be spanked hard by City and Bayern, he's lowered expectations time and time again, and has players who dominated a league last year being touted as useless and desperately in need of replacement.

The idea that Moyes will continue to do damage to the club is not born out of thin air; it's based on how he's damaged the stature of the club in 10 months. The idea he'd win the PL next year is not born out of past experiences or ability he's shown, but is legit out of thin air.

I get you disagree with how he's damaging the club, but debate the point; don't try and pretend there's no basis there, cause to me, that makes the rest of what you say lack credibility.

keane2097 · 24-03-2014 07:05PM

Seems fairly sensible to accept lowered expectations when going from the best manager of all time to anyone else.

If the expected reduction in performance was to go from title challengers to top four, then I wouldn't think finishing up fifth would rank as an utter catastrophe.

Lord TSC · 24-03-2014 07:29PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Seems fairly sensible to accept lowered expectations when going from the best manager of all time to anyone else.

If the expected reduction in performance was to go from title challengers to top four, then I wouldn't think finishing up fifth would rank as an utter catastrophe.

Finishing 5th in a tight fight where we only just missed Top 4 would be ok.

Finishing 5th as the height of our expectations, and having to fight to get even that high, is not ok for the reigning champions.

Maximus Alexander · 24-03-2014 07:53PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Finishing 5th in a tight fight where we only just missed Top 4 would be ok.

Finishing 5th as the height of our expectations, and having to fight to get even that high, is not ok for the reigning champions.

If United go on to finish 5th from here, say 3-5 points off 4th, that's exactly the same as a "tight fight where we only just missed Top 4," the only difference being the order the results came in.

Pro. F · 24-03-2014 07:53PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Seems fairly sensible to accept lowered expectations when going from the best manager of all time to anyone else.

If the expected reduction in performance was to go from title challengers to top four, then I wouldn't think finishing up fifth would rank as an utter catastrophe.

Fifth wouldn't have been an utter catastrophe in isolation. But scraping in to fifth; playing abysmally bad football all season and spending £65m poorly is what we are facing now. That is a shocking effort from the new manager.

Pro. F · 24-03-2014 07:56PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

If United go on to finish 5th from here, say 3-5 points off 4th, that's exactly the same as a "tight fight where we only just missed Top 4," the only difference being the order the results came in.

The order the results come in is important imo. A run of good results at the end of the season when the pressure is off is far less impressive than the same run of results when you are actually fighting for something important.

Mitch Connor · 24-03-2014 08:02PM

For me, putting in a run of results befitting what we expect from Man United through to the end of the season, running Bayern close in a good game (at least) and getting 5th place - even with the Europa League football that would bring - would be excellent for us.

We need to do everything we can to show United are a side top players should want to join - other than for cash. If we could show some real form and some good football it would make the 'project' we need to sell to various top stars this summer. Finishing the season as it has been so far, with more crap football, makes selling a David Moyes United very hard, imo.

Augmerson · 24-03-2014 08:16PM

The Damned United!

Thecon21 · 24-03-2014 08:18PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Seems fairly sensible to accept lowered expectations when going from the best manager of all time to anyone else.

If the expected reduction in performance was to go from title challengers to top four, then I wouldn't think finishing up fifth would rank as an utter catastrophe.

Completely disagree with this. While we of course should have expected a change when losing the kind of manager we did, we should in no way accept what has gone on this season..

Will I Amnt · 24-03-2014 08:20PM

Augmerson wrote: »

The Damned United!

What's that supposed to mean?

Augmerson · 24-03-2014 08:22PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean?

It's just a joke, have you seen the movie?

Discodog · 24-03-2014 08:24PM

My concern is that Moyes will do just enough to keep his job. We become a 2nd or 3rd place team.

On a positive note the Fletcher interview in the Sunday Times is brilliant. He underwent 3 operations without anaesthetic because there was a tiny risk of paralysis. He says that he's totally cured & looking forward to getting back to full fitness.

Red Crow · 24-03-2014 08:25PM

What has happened to Rafael? I think he finished last year poorly but he has been an absolute liability at the back all season.

There is probably a correlation between the decline and form of Valencia and that of Rafael. Perhaps the lack of a viable alternative hasn't helped Rafael either. Regardless I think we should sign a right back in the summer.

Headshot · 24-03-2014 08:27PM

It is so unfair to criticise any player this season

Will I Amnt · 24-03-2014 08:27PM

Augmerson wrote: »

It's just a joke, have you seen the movie?

No, I haven't, just wondering what relevance it has to Manchester United?

MD1990 · 24-03-2014 08:28PM

Red Crow wrote: »

What has happened to Rafael? I think he finished last year poorly but he has been an absolute liability at the back all season.

There is probably a correlation between the decline and form of Valencia and that of Rafael. Perhaps the lack of a viable alternative hasn't helped Rafael either. Regardless I think we should sign a right back in the summer.

just a very naive & rash defender
but does have alot of very good attributes but doesn't us them to his advantage

MagicMarker · 24-03-2014 08:29PM

Augmerson wrote: »

It's just a joke, have you seen the movie?

What's the punch line?

dr.bollocko · 24-03-2014 08:31PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What's the punch line?

It's from The Damned Utd. Good book actually... Though Moyes at Utd. has already outlasted Clough at Leeds.

DM_7 · 24-03-2014 08:37PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Fifth wouldn't have been an utter catastrophe in isolation. But scraping in to fifth; playing abysmally bad football all season and spending £65m poorly is what we are facing now. That is a shocking effort from the new manager.

Is the spending 65 million poorly based on the idea we didn't need Mata?

I think we need him for where the team needs to go and it was a case of getting Mata as he was available in January, when he wouldn't have been available in the summer. Other players may be a priority for this season but they were not available. I think the Mata signing was very smart and along with keeping Rooney onside was excellant management for future seasons.

Augmerson · 24-03-2014 08:38PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What's the punch line?

Well just the scenario of Moyes telling all the lads to bin all their medals because they haven't played the game right would be funny.

Red Crow · 24-03-2014 08:38PM

We're 5/1 to win AT HOME against Bayern Munich! Wow, that's shocking!

That has to be the biggest price for us to win at home in a long time.

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