Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Fellaini is essentially the same type of player as Carrick,when the two play together we have little creativity from midfield as they become detached from the attacking players ahead of them,even when Fellaini plays slightly ahead of Carrick,he doesn't have the vision or skillset to be the link man.

I'd even drop Carrick as his form is sh1te atm & play Fellaini in the holding role and we could try Kagawa ahead of him for the clever movement.Fellaini's more agressive style would compensate for the lack of physicality from Kagawa.Carrick for his size is a gentle giant in our midfield.Even on Sunday,Suarez bullied him off the ball easily at one stage.

v3ttel wrote: »

There is no doubt that he would like a left back, but claiming it was his top priority in the last two transfer windows is mindbogglingly stupid given the multitude of evidence to the contrary.

My point is he saw what needed improving and didn't deliver on it.
His quote below, where he just accepts things, is similar to when they lose matches and it's a case of let's hope for better next time.

Signing Mata is all well and good to compete with Rooney, Januzaj and Kagawa for the "no. 10" role, but Moyes admits it was not the priority, but he didn't address what was needed.
You're supposed to build a balanced squad, not stockpile players who player a similar positon.

If you asked me what I needed most, I would have said a central midfielder and a left-back, said Moyes. But sometimes you don't always get the pieces of the jigsaw at the time.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2547683/Juan-Mata-enjoyed-debut-doesnt-star-Manchester-United-wrong.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

The fact that he let Fabio out on loan, and Buttner had already agreed a move to Besiktas last summer, suggests Moyes doesn't seem them as realistic options. Did he not notice Evra's age?

Mad to think the absolute slaughtering DDG got from the british press and rival fans. And to be fair even some of our own.

That's some turn around, and an incredible feat of character and determination to prove everyone wrong. You can do nothing but applaud him, and his ability to deal with crosses is getting noticeably better and hes becoming more confident.

It's that mental power that will no doubt have him as Spain's #1 for after this World Cup. I'd consider him to be the best in the domestic league, and I don't think he is far off the elite in Europe. Neuer is in a world of his own, but it's not fanfare or bias to claim him to be one of the top three goalkeepers in European football.

Absolutely chuffed for him, we made sure we weren't making another post Schmeichael blunder and signed someone we can have between the sticks for a long, long time.

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Being honest, I only have one memory of his involvement in the match last night, and it was him fluffing a shot from 2 yards out with no goalkeeper in the net. Granted, it wouldn't have been allowed, but he still couldn't get the ball in the net.

Otherwise, I felt he was somewhat anonymous; all our creativity came from the other side of the pitch or down the middle, and while he didn't have a bad game, I certainly don't feel he contributed half as much as the other 4 players you mentioned.

Did he not win the free kick for RVP's goal with some excellent hold up play? I thought he played well, but a bit anonymous defensively alright. Between him and Evra United's left flank was weak to say the least.

Macca07 wrote: »

One thing on Evra, people saying he's lazy and not getting back to defend. He is being given a job as an attacking full back, with no left winger in front of him, so the majority of the game he is up and down the pitch. He is obviously going to tire as the match goes on. It's not laziness, it's tiredness. Not saying he's been fantastic for us or anything, but look at much ground he covers in every match.

Cant have that. Unless hes tired after five minutes.

He just doesnt bother his arse defending anymore. When he cant get back to defend hes too tired apparently but a couple of minutes later when the ball is going the other way hes bombing down the wing.

His attitude on the pitch stinks.

FatherTed wrote: »

Woop-de-fking-doo. We beat Olympiakos. Say it again. Olympiakos. Think about that for a minute. This isn't like beating Barca from 2 behind in 1984. This is Olympiakos. Not only did we get an easy group, we got easily the worst of the 16 teams to make it to this round. Sunderland would have beaten this crowd, we barely get by them and now this is supposed to be some epiphany and yet another "turning point" to our season? I don't think so. F Moyes, F Rooney running around like a headless chicken, they're as useless as an ejection seat on a helicopter. Thank god for Ryan Giggs, finally someone who can actually pass the ball forward from midfield. Our best hope for the quarters is to give the ball to Fellaini and have him go to the corner for 90+ minutes and hope for some wonder saves from DDG.

An Olympiakos team that has won their domestic league with 5 games to spare. A team put together an unbeaten run of 20+ games this season.
Who currently have 17 players in the premier Greek division out on loan
Who are above all the powerhouse of Greek football

While I agree it's no Barcelona or Bayern Munich, it's horribly condescending to completely belittle a club like Olympiakos who has maintained a dominant spell in tehir domestic league.

They might not be the best team in the competition, but we have lost to weaker opposition this year at Old Trafford.

Expectation management is a big thing for our club this season. And it will be some time before we can haphazardly "assume" we can just roll out title champions from weaker divisions.

i can never understand why fans say someone else is a bad fan. i was talking today to someone in work and i said i dont think jones is a good enough player for united and he told me i should just support everton which made no sense.

sky88 wrote: »

i can never understand why fans say someone else is a bad fan. i was talking today to someone in work and i said i dont think jones is a good enough player for united and he told me i should just support everton which made no sense.

Top fan points are the classic immature football argument. It's 16 year old sort of bs.

Pighead wrote: »

No you are rowing back on what you said yesterday.

Is this some sort of wind-up? The two quotes match almost exactly, how the hell can you call it rowing back on anything?
Today

I said pre match that Olympiakos were a good side, and that to win United would have to put in a good performance. My sole point pre-match was that United had not put in a good performance in weeks

Yesterday

There seem to be a few people that think United can turn up and put in a performance, seemingly ignoring the fact that not once this season has Moyes United turned up and put in a performance.

TheDoc wrote: »

An Olympiakos team that has won their domestic league with 5 games to spare. A team put together an unbeaten run of 20+ games this season.
Who currently have 17 players in the premier Greek division out on loan
Who are above all the powerhouse of Greek football

While I agree it's no Barcelona or Bayern Munich, it's horribly condescending to completely belittle a club like Olympiakos who has maintained a dominant spell in tehir domestic league.

They might not be the best team in the competition, but we have lost to weaker opposition this year at Old Trafford.

Expectation management is a big thing for our club this season. And it will be some time before we can haphazardly "assume" we can just roll out title champions from weaker divisions.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is this some sort of wind-up? The two quotes match almost exactly, how the hell can you call it rowing back on anything?
Today
Yesterday

This is pretty simple. You cannot stand over yesterday's quote unless you think Man Utd put in a performance last night for the very first time this season.

This is quite clearly not true. They were average last night as that have been on numerous other occasions this season.

Pighead wrote: »

This is pretty simple. You cannot stand over yesterday's quote unless you think Man Utd put in a performance last night for the very first time this season.

This is quite clearly not true. They were average last night as that have been on numerous other occasions this season.

Your logic is faulty. At the time of writing my opinion was perfectly valid and I stand over it completely. Subsequent events do not change that fact in the slightest.

The question of whether United subsequently did put in a performance or not is a different issue. I could easily claim that it was indeed a good performance, certainly it was massively improved from the Liverpool game, the first Olympiakos game, or any of a number of crappy league games. So they did indeed finally "put in a performance".

Was it a performance worthy of Manchester United in general? No, of course not, it was still very limited in key aspects. But my original point still remains.

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Being honest, I only have one memory of his involvement in the match last night, and it was him fluffing a shot from 2 yards out with no goalkeeper in the net. Granted, it wouldn't have been allowed, but he still couldn't get the ball in the net.

Otherwise, I felt he was somewhat anonymous; all our creativity came from the other side of the pitch or down the middle, and while he didn't have a bad game, I certainly don't feel he contributed half as much as the other 4 players you mentioned.

To be honest man, if that is how you remember Welbeck's performance last night then there is something seriously wrong with how you watched the game.

Welbeck was excellent for all of the first half and a good bit of the second. The amount of times he carried the ball past Greek players, linked up with his teammates or pressured the opposition was unreal. He was easily one of our best players.

He did fluff one chance, the one that was ruled offside. That happens to all strikers from time to time, even the likes of van Persie and Rooney.

Pighead wrote: »

This implies that Utd had to play their best game of the season to win. This didn't happen. I think most agree it was similar to plenty of average performances we've seen already this season.

I wouldn't agree with that at all. At the very least the first half was one of the best halves of the season. The game overall was one of our better performances.