Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Any sign of Scholes coming back to a coaching role with us?

If only you could teach that kind of vision and passing.

Are people really putting forward RVP for Man of the match? Is this FIFA where whoever gets the goals gets MOTM award?

Rooney, DDG, Giggs, Welbeck and even Tony V were all better imo. His goals were a tap in, a pen and a free kick, that if it wasn't for a woeful keeper would have been a wasted opportunity in a great position. His overall play was no better or worse than it has been, his body language was marginally better but then he did get an early goal to placate him.


Very much a meh performance all round last night, could very easily have been beaten not mind win the match and tie.

ericzeking wrote: »

Very much a meh performance all round last night, could very easily have been beaten not mind win the match and tie.

Complete bollox.. he was excellent last night.. was chasing down balls, making runs and winning tackles all game. Looked a different player last night than he has recently.

Glad it was picked up on. The retreat in the final 30 minutes wasn't Moyes, but the players going into that "hold onto this " mindset. You could see MOyes shouting at the players to get forward and get out, and numerous times speaking to Carrick and Rooney to try get the message to get forward.

Wouldn't be suprised if he felt we needed four goals.

bangkok wrote: »

they know what they are talking about more than a person who never played the game.....

Most park footballers are dumb; playing retarded tactics and recieving no proper coaching or instruction. The vast majority of football as practised at the amateur level is an analysis free zone.

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Fellaini is a very good player, not world class and never will be but he can play an important role in a functioning United team. This team is not functioning well at all and he has to get the same free pass as every other player that is escaping criticism from poor performances because of the state of the team in general.

I've felt he was one of the top DM's in the league for a few years. As I aid previously he got alot of exposure when he was moved into an advanced role for Everton in his final 18 months, but he was pretty incredible as a DM.

He might never reach the heights of world class, he might not even reach a pinnacle of European football, but he can be a MASSIVE asset in our domestic campaign.

Obviously we can't get carried away from his cameo last night (hard to believe some people are reading on other forums) but I thought since his return from injury he has been pretty good, and hopefully it's becoming evident at what he excels at.

Hopefully with injuries now passed he can impose himself on games. He's a good defensive midfielder that is comfortable on the ball that can at times transition into an advanced role seamlessly.

Recruiting a high ability/skillful CM in beside him in the summer would be a pretty strong start. We can argue over requiring TWO world class CM's, but if you get even one in beside Fellaini, would make a world of difference to our domestic campaign.

I do feel accommodating Mata, RVP and Rooney is going to be a continued problem. Probably going to require some hard work over the summer to settle on something that works. The 4-2-3-1 I've seen now twice seemed to get the best out of them. For all Rooney's hard work and graft, I still feel he is best placed playing up front, scoring goals. I think you loose alot of his threat when you drop him deep, and we have Mata to do that job now, and even Kagawa.

There is a real need for a look at our formation and how we play the game, I assume when Moyes speaks of his vision, he has a plan for this. I don't believe he bought MAta for the sake of it, I believe he has an idea for what he wants. Possible we havn't even seen it yet.

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I thought United were hanging on for the last ten minutes last night.

Maybe the emotion of the game got to you but Olympiakos created sweet **** all in the last 15 mins. They had one half chance with a well worked move down the left and a cross which Jones put out for a corner and a couple of hopeful long balls into the box which went straight into De Gea's arms.

They didn't even have that much of the ball. Van Persie's injury wasted a couple of mins, Utd worked two or three corners and Fellaini bought a couple of frees. It was actually quite a comfortable ending all things considered.

ericzeking wrote: »

Was talking about the team performance in that line

I meant to quote your previous line about RVP

Are people really putting forward RVP for Man of the match? Is this FIFA where whoever gets the goals gets MOTM award?
His overall play was no better or worse than it has been, his body language was marginally better but then he did get an early goal to placate him.

Don't know how you could say RVP's performance wasn't anything but outstanding.

Red Crow wrote: »

De Gea was our best player

We are blessed to have him, he is simply fantastic. His reactions on that double save were a joy to watch. I feel like a proud dad watching his son getting better and better.

We won't be able to play Giggs against one of the big boys and Carrick is a liability against really high pressing teams

Moyes will have to get it perfect again in the next round, yesterday could well be an anomaly considering how this season has gone

keane2097 wrote: »

It's not even a question. It's a strange and ineffectual attempt to reimagine my statement that Giggs is a more creative player than Fellaini into a statement that Fellaini is so terrible he couldn't create anything against Olympiakos.

It's fairly infantile and pointless to rephrase someone's post to create a straw man and false dichotomy all at once, the whole thrust of your last few posts on Fellaini has been infantile and pointless though.

Moyes didn't pick Fellaini last night because he had an obvious opportunity to get away with playing an extremely creative player in a game he needed to score three goals in rather than a sitting player. If that's too intricate a tactical decision for you then just go along with the droolers who are saying Giggs was picked because Red Issue said they were having a row, like it matters a **** to me either way, I'm not sure why I just bothered.

I am amused that you complain about strawman debating and then try to lump me in with those saying Giggs was only picked because of a row. How ironic, considering I never once said that.

My point about Felliani is very simple. You think you know some amazing truth about Giggs being selected because he is more creative than Felliani, but you can't seem to grasp that this raises more questions than it answers.

We aren't talking about the missing link to unlock the Bayern defence here, we are talking central midfield against Olympiakos. Giggs may be more creative than Felliani, but if Felliani is not sufficiently creative to to be effective against Olympiakos then what the fcuk did we just spend £27.5m on?