Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Lord TSC · 20-03-2014 10:03AM

BloodBath wrote: »

Has anybody seen this guy in action yet?

Has Evra replacement written all over him and he's only 21. Not many vids of him on youtube though.

I really like him, though I feel Del Rio hasn't had the same momentum since they split. :P

MD1990 · 20-03-2014 10:04AM

beno619 wrote: »

Strange comments about Fellaini this morning. He's a good player. We paid over the odds but so did city for Fernandinho who I dont think is any better. He's been great since his return from injury and was far from our worst performer vs Pool. He can only get better from hear on in imo.

Someone pointed out its very difficult to judge players under the current Moyes regime when you look at how poor players like RVP and Mata have performed in the last month.

Fernandinho is a much better player
he was terrible vs Liverpool anytime he got the ball u thought he could give it away

keeponhurling · 20-03-2014 10:05AM

Giruilla wrote: »

Replacing Evra should now be priority number one for United.

I'm in the give Moyes more time camp for various reasons. .

It was top priority last summer as well, as admitted by Moyes and evidenced in moves for Baines and Couintreau.

It was also top priority in the January transfer window.

However the war-chest remains untouched. If Moyes really wanted, he could have gotten Baines, Shaw or any number of quality left backs from around Europe.

Evra at his age has to play every match.
I would have liked to see him and stay and play the role of Giggs, Scholes, Rio etc. and be a squad player who could share his experience.

Only thing Moyes has done to "address" the left back position is to let Fabio go out on loan again.

Lord TSC · 20-03-2014 10:06AM

bangkok wrote: »

no but it was a great line up last night, loads of pace in the team and most people couldn't see here last night when the team was named.... I was just quiet shocked

People rightly criticized a team which contained 3 players who haven't started a game for weeks, playing in a formation which has yielded very little positive results.

And criticizing a team selection does not make anyone less of a fan than anyone else, so get over this whole "fan" thing, cause trying to imply it does just instantly lowers your credibility in such discussions to zero.

Agueroooo · 20-03-2014 10:06AM

bangkok wrote: »

giggs MOTM yes....

De Gea by a country mile if you're on about last night.

Will I Amnt · 20-03-2014 10:08AM

Fellaini is a very good player, not world class and never will be but he can play an important role in a functioning United team. This team is not functioning well at all and he has to get the same free pass as every other player that is escaping criticism from poor performances because of the state of the team in general.

Lord TSC · 20-03-2014 10:09AM

Agueroooo wrote: »

De Gea by a country mile if you're on about last night.

With RVP as a close second.

keeponhurling · 20-03-2014 10:10AM

BloodBath wrote: »

The problem will disappear when/if we can buy a world class playmaker in midfield. There is nothing remotely close to what Scholes was on the team.

What we need is exactly the same as was needed last summer, and in January. A left back and a centre mid.
Now we need a centre back as well, given the departures.

We have seen the departures of Scholes, Anderson, and in summer Giggs, Rio, Evra, Vidic with a few more possibly leaving, including Zaha and Fabio.
I also suspect Hernandez may leave.

BloodBath · 20-03-2014 10:10AM

I would have had Rooney as motm myself. He was everywhere. Nobody comes close to his workrate on the pitch.

tallaghtmick · 20-03-2014 10:11AM

bangkok wrote: »

no but it was a great line up last night, loads of pace in the team and most people couldn't see here last night when the team was named.... I was just quiet shocked

Are you the best fan in the world?

bangkok · 20-03-2014 10:13AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

People rightly criticized a team which contained 3 players who haven't started a game for weeks, playing in a formation which has yielded very little positive results.

And criticizing a team selection does not make anyone less of a fan than anyone else, so get over this whole "fan" thing, cause trying to imply it does just instantly lowers your credibility in such discussions to zero.

not on about the fan thing, just peoples football knowledge.... the very fact and you said it yourself 3 players who haven't started a game for weeks, would be fresh and they had real pace in the team for the first time in ages

keeponhurling · 20-03-2014 10:15AM

BloodBath wrote: »

I would have had Rooney as motm myself. He was everywhere. Nobody comes close to his workrate on the pitch.

He was good alright, but hard to say if he was better that DDG or RVP.

Here's a question for you, who wins player of the season?!

I reckon it's a close call between De Gea and Rooney.
No other contenders come to mind as I think they are the only ones who have had good seasons.

Lord TSC · 20-03-2014 10:18AM

bangkok wrote: »

not on about the fan thing, just peoples football knowledge.... the very fact and you said it yourself 3 players who haven't started a game for weeks, would be fresh and they had real pace in the team for the first time in ages

Right, we'll ignore your comments about "fans" if you want :rolleyes:

With regards pace, I disagree completely. Giggs and Rio don't offer pace at all. Giggs offers some pinpoint passes, Rio offers a cool head. But neither offers pace. And whatever can be said about Val's performances last night, he didn't show "pace" at all. If the idea had been to inject pace into the team, I think Young would have started and Hernandez would have gotten some time too.

We rarely exhibited breakneck pace in terms of counters; 2 of the goals were from set pieces, and the other was a good pass from Rooney to Van Peries.

BloodBath · 20-03-2014 10:19AM

In fairness De Gea only had a couple of difficult saves to make. He was great though but compared to Rooneys work rate it's hard to give him motm over it. RVP is going to get obvious credit because of the hat trick but in fairness Rooney and Giggs played a big part in that.

He won a penalty from poor defending and scored from a poor free kick that the keeper should have been all over. He was definitely much better than he has been in previous weeks but not outstanding. In fact very lucky.

kstand · 20-03-2014 10:21AM

I often wonder reading threads like this if some of the posters ever played the game or have only started watching it on tele in the last 3 or 4 years.

BloodBath · 20-03-2014 10:26AM

Fantastic defending by Evra and Rio. Rafael napping too.

Luckily De Gea is a beast.

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keane2097 · 20-03-2014 10:28AM

I would have thought it would have been easy enough to figure out that against a side with a big lead to hold onto who are used to getting slapped around in England a manager could operate under the assumption that they are likely to sit back and that you'll probably get away with a more creative player like Giggs where in other circumstances you might want a more defensive one like Fellaini.

Did I genuinely just think that up for people who couldn't do it on their own or do people just play dumb to make weak anti-Moyes points? There's plenty to complain about without pretending your mind doesn't work.

whatawaster · 20-03-2014 10:29AM

kstand wrote: »

I often wonder reading threads like this if some of the posters ever played the game or have only started watching it on tele in the last 3 or 4 years.

What difference would them having played the game make?

bangkok · 20-03-2014 10:32AM

whatawaster wrote: »

What difference would them having played the game make?

they know what they are talking about more than a person who never played the game.....

BloodBath · 20-03-2014 10:33AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

He was good alright, but hard to say if he was better that DDG or RVP.

Here's a question for you, who wins player of the season?!

I reckon it's a close call between De Gea and Rooney.
No other contenders come to mind as I think they are the only ones who have had good seasons.

Hard to pick one in this dire season. For me it's Rooney all day. I know plenty here have sour grapes over the transfer rumors but to be honest he is genuinely world class. Almost a complete footballer who can play anywhere in a central role from CF, to number 10 to central mid.

His work rate is second to none. Constantly covers the most ground, helps the defence, helps the midfield and goes on to create and score constantly. The guy is a machine. He should definitely be made captain as the example he sets on the pitch is one to admire.

v3ttel · 20-03-2014 10:34AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

It was top priority last summer

Yes, "We are short in midfield" clearly shows LB was his top priority. (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8823765/transfer-news-david-moyes-says-manchester-united-have-money-to-spend article dated in July '13)

keeponhurling wrote: »

It was also top priority in the January transfer window.

Yes. LB was also top priority in the January transfer window also. Clearly, the purchase of an attacking midfielder for 37.5 million shows that. Not to mention the range of offers we put in for LBs again show LB was his absolute top priority.

keeponhurling wrote: »

However the war-chest remains untouched.

And once again, the fact that he has spent £65million from the "untouched warchest", none of it on a LB, is more proof that LB was his top priority.

There is no doubt that he would like a left back, but claiming it was his top priority in the last two transfer windows is mindbogglingly stupid given the multitude of evidence to the contrary.

bucketybuck · 20-03-2014 10:34AM

keane2097 wrote: »

I would have thought it would have been easy enough to figure out that against a side with a big lead to hold onto who are used to getting slapped around in England a manager could operate under the assumption that they are likely to sit back and that you'll probably get away with a more creative player like Giggs where in other circumstances you might want a more defensive one like Fellaini.

So in your opinion Felliani really is so limited that he wouldn't have been able to offer anything creatively against a team like Olympiakos?

keane2097 · 20-03-2014 10:35AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

So in your opinion Felliani really is so limited that he wouldn't have been able to offer anything creatively against a team like Olympiakos?

This is a stupid question.

bangkok · 20-03-2014 10:35AM

just to follow that up if you played the game you worked on tactics, know what position you should be in when attacking/defending, have exposure to different coaching methods.......etc etc

The_Kew_Tour · 20-03-2014 10:37AM

Tbh I laughed when saw Giggs on teamsheet but now I think Moyes got that one spot on.

Credit where it's due.

bucketybuck · 20-03-2014 10:37AM

v3ttel wrote: »

There is no doubt that he would like a left back, but claiming it was his top priority in the last two transfer windows is mindbogglingly stupid given the multitude of evidence to the contrary.

You need to read for comprehension. He never said it was "his" (as in David Moyes) top priority. He simply said that it "was" top priority.

And it clearly was a top priority. That Moyes didn't address.

bucketybuck · 20-03-2014 10:38AM

keane2097 wrote: »

This is a stupid question.

That you didn't answer.

Red Crow · 20-03-2014 10:40AM

keane2097 wrote: »

I would have thought it would have been easy enough to figure out that against a side with a big lead to hold onto who are used to getting slapped around in England a manager could operate under the assumption that they are likely to sit back and that you'll probably get away with a more creative player like Giggs where in other circumstances you might want a more defensive one like Fellaini.

Did I genuinely just think that up for people who couldn't do it on their own or do people just play dumb to make weak anti-Moyes points? There's plenty to complain about without pretending your mind doesn't work.

Your musings are far too intelligent to get a decent response here.

Nolars · 20-03-2014 10:46AM

When you see Giggs still showing players how its done its makes you realize that Fergie has a lot to answer for, never replaced Scholes when he new he was getting on and had to end up bringing him back for a bit, same with Giggs now, still relying on him. Its a scandal really, especially for someone who was always on about the long-term future of the club.

keane2097 · 20-03-2014 10:47AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

That you didn't answer.

It's not even a question. It's a strange and ineffectual attempt to reimagine my statement that Giggs is a more creative player than Fellaini into a statement that Fellaini is so terrible he couldn't create anything against Olympiakos.

It's fairly infantile and pointless to rephrase someone's post to create a straw man and false dichotomy all at once, the whole thrust of your last few posts on Fellaini has been infantile and pointless though.

Moyes didn't pick Fellaini last night because he had an obvious opportunity to get away with playing an extremely creative player in a game he needed to score three goals in rather than a sitting player. If that's too intricate a tactical decision for you then just go along with the droolers who are saying Giggs was picked because Red Issue said they were having a row, like it matters a **** to me either way, I'm not sure why I just bothered.

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