Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

TheDoc · 18-03-2014 01:49PM

Knex. wrote: »

Was about to post asking about that. I remember him coming in when he was almost retired and doing a solid enough job for ye.

In Fergusons book he cusrses himself for not getting him earlier. Said he is easily overlooked because he only played a season, but he rates him alongside Vidic as probably the best CB he ever had. Felt he could have done more in Europe with a peak Blanc.

Paddypower are a sham organisation anyway, I don't give them the light of day as it is, and the ****e they are spouting about United this season makes it easier to not go near them.

Considering all the absolute bollox petitions against Tom Cleverely, it would be nice to have one for United fans to boycott Paddy Power.

Leftist · 18-03-2014 01:51PM

2moreMinutes wrote: »

This bs that Moyes is destroying the club is nothing more than cheap, lazy drama queen stuff. Being poor for one season isn't ruining a football club like United. If you happen to think so, that actually says a lot about you.

well, destroying is an exaggeration, for now.

but can you imagine this man has 3 years? the 3 years minimum it was supposed to take before he implemented his style? It's quite likely you know.

and that's not even to mention the 6 year contract.

if he had 3 years he would cause major long term damage to the club, in the same form as souness did at liverpool.

He really is a disaster.

Lord TSC · 18-03-2014 01:51PM

While I like AVB, he would have been a bad Post-Moyes replacement. Too many people would point towards his time at two top clubs that ended in failure, I don't think he would have been able to get the players behind him either and there isn't proof he could rebuild the club.

Again I say, Post-Moyes, the club needs a proven winner from a top club; even if it's only a short term placement, the onus should be on finding a top candidate who can make us winners again, and restore the lost year we have suffered.

2moreMinutes · 18-03-2014 01:53PM

Bannerman7 wrote: »

I still see there is some deluded one's around.

So me thinking that a poor season won't destroy the club is me being deluded?

There are differing opinions being posted on here, a lot of which I agree with irrespective of what my own feelings towards Moyes are.
The one thing that I believe most right thinking people would agree with is that it's both stupid and wrong to say that Moyes is destroying the club.
Anyone who thinks that one season will destroy the club simply does not understand either football nor Man United.

None of the above is me defending Moyes in any shape or form. It is simply stating my annoyance and frustration at people who obviously have no clue.

Irish94 · 18-03-2014 01:55PM

Anyone know how Anderson is getting on at Fiorentina?

Lord TSC · 18-03-2014 01:55PM

Moyes is destroying the club, but it hasn't been destroyed.

One bad season won't destroy the club, but many like it will, something easily solved by removing Moyes posthaste.

The_Kew_Tour · 18-03-2014 01:56PM

Moyes Press Conference coming up.

Mr.Micro · 18-03-2014 01:56PM

2moreMinutes wrote: »

So me thinking that a poor season won't destroy the club is me being deluded?

There are differing opinions being posted on here, a lot of which I agree with irrespective of what my own feelings towards Moyes are.
The one thing that I believe most right thinking people would agree with is that it's both stupid and wrong to say that Moyes is destroying the club.
Anyone who thinks that one season will destroy the club simply does not understand either football nor Man United.

None of the above is me defending Moyes in any shape or form. It is simply stating my annoyance and frustration at people who obviously have no clue.

Yes, it's mere transition. That is often painful and mired with failure, with success the ultimate goal.

LiamoSail · 18-03-2014 01:58PM

Destroying the club is hyperbole when the reality is that if Moyes walked today, he'd be leaving a better squad to what he inherited

Leftist · 18-03-2014 01:58PM

2moreMinutes wrote: »

So me thinking that a poor season won't destroy the club is me being deluded?

There are differing opinions being posted on here, a lot of which I agree with irrespective of what my own feelings towards Moyes are.
The one thing that I believe most right thinking people would agree with is that it's both stupid and wrong to say that Moyes is destroying the club.
Anyone who thinks that one season will destroy the club simply does not understand either football nor Man United.

None of the above is me defending Moyes in any shape or form. It is simply stating my annoyance and frustration at people who obviously have no clue.

well at least you're getting wound up about the right things, over exaggerations.

You know where to focus anyway, takes a sharp mind to zone in through all the bull**** at the club and spot a term you don't agree with.

He's destroying the club; discuss.

TheDoc · 18-03-2014 02:00PM

Leftist wrote: »

well, destroying is an exaggeration, for now.

but can you imagine this man has 3 years? the 3 years minimum it was supposed to take before he implemented his style? It's quite likely you know.

and that's not even to mention the 6 year contract.

if he had 3 years he would cause major long term damage to the club, in the same form as souness did at liverpool.

He really is a disaster.

While all the evidence at present is totally backing up the hypothesis that should Moyes continue in his current vain, in three years the club would be a shambles.

But that removes alot of factors that we simply cannot predict. I could just as easily suggest that its possible he has a good transfer window, is more comfortable in the role and in his decision making, and completely turns it around next season.

I absolutely BAULKED at Liverpool taking on Brendan Rodgers. A complete spoofer I thought, reaping the success that Martinez laid. And to be honest, Rodgers is full of fluff most often then not, but you could see a turnaround this season. And it's because he DITCHED his "philosophy". He has tuned a style to the players he has, put faith in the likes of Henderson, Sterling and Sturridge and is playing to the squads strengths. If he maintained his felt inflated opinion of his "philosophy" Liverpool wouldn't be anywhere near the top 4 again.

There was nothing to suggest in his first season, Rodgers was going to somehow make Liverpool title contenders. Poor singings, a fantasy of some form of style of possesion based football, a decrepid squad from his predecessors.

It's a good, relevant, case in point of how a manager can make a dramatic shift, and take the club forward, where all evidence was to the contrary.

I still don't buy his philosophy bull****, that's such a con, and I think he spouts some amount of rubbish, but I can't but admire what hes achieving with Liverpool, and how impressed I am of him as a coach.

If Moyes is kept in his role, I'd say he has until Christmas next season. If there is a big splurge of cash, and he makes a meal of it, he'll be gone and someone else in place. Then again I'd be absolutely shocked if we were still struggling come Christmas next season

Bandana boy · 18-03-2014 02:01PM

TheDoc wrote: »

AVB announced as new Zenit manager.

Have to say when Fergie retirmenet news came beckoning, and obviously there was the immediate link in my brain to Mourinho calling to come back to England, AVB immediately sprung into my head.

I like him as a coach, he seems calm and collected and comfortable in what he does. Stupidly ****ed over twice imo by London clubs, both times outlined he would have time to implement his vision, United would have been a good platform for him I felt.

There was all this talk about Van Gaal which I don't get, I thought AVB might have been the perfect candidate. Anywho another manager snapped up now to strike of the list, even if there was a replacement being sought after.

I too am upset that if Moyes is Fired that you will not have the opportunity to snap up AVB ,and I am a pool fan.
AVB has failed to do it at two premiership clubs now despite significant investment. He lost the dressing room twice and resorted to very negative football both times, he would have been a disatster for UTD and set you back another 12-18 months.

bullvine · 18-03-2014 02:02PM

TheDoc wrote: »

In Fergusons book he cusrses himself for not getting him earlier. Said he is easily overlooked because he only played a season, but he rates him alongside Vidic as probably the best CB he ever had. Felt he could have done more in Europe with a peak Blanc.

Paddypower are a sham organisation anyway, I don't give them the light of day as it is, and the ****e they are spouting about United this season makes it easier to not go near them.

Considering all the absolute bollox petitions against Tom Cleverely, it would be nice to have one for United fans to boycott Paddy Power.

Blanc was absolute pants when he signed, thankfully we got Rio in 2002 and he hardly played in 02-03. He barely played after Christmas 2002 when Rio and Silvestre got a good partnership going.

I do remember two games he played that season though, one against Everton and one against Boro, shocking in both, Fergie signed him 5 years two late.

2moreMinutes · 18-03-2014 02:04PM

Leftist wrote: »

well at least you're getting wound up about the right things, over exaggerations.

You know where to focus anyway, takes a sharp mind to zone in through all the bull**** at the club and spot a term you don't agree with.

He's destroying the club; discuss.

I'm not one bit wound up. If you want to carry on with your exaggerations, be my guest. Just keep in mind that you're coming across as a spoilt brat with no clue while you're using them.

Leftist · 18-03-2014 02:05PM

TheDoc wrote: »

While all the evidence at present is totally backing up the hypothesis that should Moyes continue in his current vain, in three years the club would be a shambles.

But that removes alot of factors that we simply cannot predict. I could just as easily suggest that its possible he has a good transfer window, is more comfortable in the role and in his decision making, and completely turns it around next season.

I absolutely BAULKED at Liverpool taking on Brendan Rodgers. A complete spoofer I thought, reaping the success that Martinez laid. And to be honest, Rodgers is full of fluff most often then not, but you could see a turnaround this season. And it's because he DITCHED his "philosophy". He has tuned a style to the players he has, put faith in the likes of Henderson, Sterling and Sturridge and is playing to the squads strengths. If he maintained his felt inflated opinion of his "philosophy" Liverpool wouldn't be anywhere near the top 4 again.

There was nothing to suggest in his first season, Rodgers was going to somehow make Liverpool title contenders. Poor singings, a fantasy of some form of style of possesion based football, a decrepid squad from his predecessors.

It's a good, relevant, case in point of how a manager can make a dramatic shift, and take the club forward, where all evidence was to the contrary.

I still don't buy his philosophy bull****, that's such a con, and I think he spouts some amount of rubbish, but I can't but admire what hes achieving with Liverpool, and how impressed I am of him as a coach.

If Moyes is kept in his role, I'd say he has until Christmas next season. If there is a big splurge of cash, and he makes a meal of it, he'll be gone and someone else in place. Then again I'd be absolutely shocked if we were still struggling come Christmas next season

rodgers was hilarious last season for us. but he was definitely working towards something. he was building something and although they have progressed quicker than we all anticipated, it has gone in the general direction of his intentions.

what is moyes building? in terms of style or play? he makes football a chore to watch.

v3ttel · 18-03-2014 02:06PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Why buy a manager out of his contract with Everton only to employee him and make him wait during season#1 to see how things pan out before letting him apply his own stamp on things?

Moyes was not bought out of his Everton contract. His contract at Everton was expiring at the end of the season when United approached.

dixiefly · 18-03-2014 02:07PM

As I mentioned before if I was offered the Republic of Ireland management team of O'Neill / Keane in place of Moyes / Round I would jump at it. Just an analogy really to demonstrate just how limited our team management is.

As has been said here, if Moyes does not get a significant turnaround in the Olympiakos or City games it will become a matter of when he goes and not if in my opinion anyway.

The deciding factor will be whether they want to line up a long term manager or a short term replacement for him.

UnitedIrishman · 18-03-2014 02:08PM

David Moyes press conference coming up shortly.

For those who might not catch it, here's a guess at what's more than likely to be said:

"Its a tough situation to be in. But we'll keep fighting on. I have to take responsibility if things aren't going well. The fans have been brilliant and we owe them a peformance. Never stopped singing on Sunday. Rumours of a fallout are complete nonsense and sign of a times with social media etc. Full faith can turn it around."

And now ya don't need to watch the press conference.

Leftist · 18-03-2014 02:08PM

2moreMinutes wrote: »

I'm not one bit wound up. If you want to carry on with your exaggerations, be my guest. Just keep in mind that you're coming across as a spoilt brat with no clue while you're using them.

coming across as something to you.

don't see anyone else moaning about it?

that's about three posts you've made to whinge about a term you don't agree with.

so i couldn't give two big slippery logs about what I come across as to you.

do you understand me?

Cantona's Collars · 18-03-2014 02:09PM

Hopefully & try used already in the presser.Twice to 2 questions,I'm sick to death of hearing those words from Moyes.

MagicIRL · 18-03-2014 02:10PM

Anyone have a link for a text based min-by-min for the press conference?

TheDoc · 18-03-2014 02:11PM

Leftist wrote: »

rodgers was hilarious last season for us. but he was definitely working towards something. he was building something and although they have progressed quicker than we all anticipated, it has gone in the general direction of his intentions.

what is moyes building? in terms of style or play? he makes football a chore to watch.

Well there is no doubt he was talking about building towards someting, was it evident on the pitch, I'm not so sure. Yeah they were somewhat improving, but this is a club that has for far too long being sub standard for their stature.

I just feel there was a drastic shift with Rodgers, like he came with his Swansea blueprint, maybe realised he wasn't achieving what he wanted and then just tore it up this season. They've been lightning fast, direct and are maurading at teams.

They've deployed a range of various tactics and formations, and their 4-4-2 diamond of late has been a stroke of genius if I'm honest.

2moreMinutes · 18-03-2014 02:11PM

Leftist wrote: »

coming across as something to you.

don't see anyone else moaning about it?

that's about three posts you've made to whinge about a term you don't agree with.

so i couldn't give two big slippery logs about what I come across as to you.

do you understand me?

Maybe I'm the only one who cares enough to try to stop you making a fool of yourself?
I guess you don't wanna be my friend then so

I'll just go sulk in the corner now and let the thread get back to where it was.

bangkok · 18-03-2014 02:12PM

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Features/2014/Mar/gallery-training-pre-olympiacos-aon-training-complex.aspx#

they look in good spirits anyway..

newballsplease · 18-03-2014 02:12PM

Looking at photos of Moyes taking part in training with the players.
Do many other managers do this?

The_Kew_Tour · 18-03-2014 02:12PM

Rooney doing his best to get rid of Moyes

Leftist · 18-03-2014 02:13PM

2moreMinutes wrote: »

Maybe I'm the only one who cares enough to try to stop you making a fool of yourself?
I guess you don't wanna be my friend then so I'll just go sulk in the corner now and let the thread get back to where it was.

good man.

come back when you're ready to keep up.

TheDoc · 18-03-2014 02:14PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Anyone have a link for a text based min-by-min for the press conference?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/champions-league/live-coverage/live-coverage-david-moyes-press-conference_144933.html

LiamoSail · 18-03-2014 02:14PM

newballsplease wrote: »

Looking at photos of Moyes taking part in training with the players.
Do many other managers do this?

Ironically enough, Graeme Souness is one of the first to come to mind

bangkok · 18-03-2014 02:14PM

newballsplease wrote: »

Looking at photos of Moyes taking part in training with the players.
Do many other managers do this?

yes pep does it, fergie used to do it a lot in his younger days... other managers do it it was well

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