Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Blatter wrote: »

Vidic hasn't declined much as a player this season at al imo. He's playing in a dysfunctional team. No organisation, no radical plan, no fluidity, no identidy. I'm convinced that if Jose had Vidic at Chelsea, he'd be still talked about as one of the best CBs in the league.

It's no shock at all that none of the players in the squad bar maybe the goalkeeper have performed consistently well throughout this season. It's nigh on impossible under this shambles of a regime.

And it's becoming more and more evident that it isn't just the squad (I don't think it is as bad as The Doc is trying to make out) that are the problem.

I mean, say United has got £100 Million or more to spend during the Summer, Moyes has become a negative for any prospective signing. If United do crash out of the CL, how the fcuk do the board sell the club with him as manager?

I can't think that anybody has a rational reason to keep him at this stage. Even if the squad is that bad, it can't be worse than Everton.

For me, in December most United fans seemed to be happy to give him the Summer to invest and see how it went, they recognised the issues with the team, but the results this year have proved that he isn't the man for the job. I can't see how anybody can argue he is, even allowing for the weaknesses that are there.

bangkok wrote: »

United have planned ahead for life without champions league football.... a couple of lucrative friendlies are being lined up for the middle east during champions league nights to offset the loss of champions league income....

That's the equivalent of International Friendly weekends - completely disruptive to club seasons, little or no value in terms of player performance, potential for injuries.

More pain than gain.

beno619 wrote: »

So basically your opinion is that...

Moyes wasn't allowed to strengthen.

The indication from Gill last season was the club were preparing and planning for this squad to remain in place. I don't think it was a case he wasn't allowed, but I don't think there was the right preparation and the club was caught o nthe hop, ending in the ridiculousness we say in the summer.

That become evidently clear from not only Gills statements last year, but Woodwards recent ones to shareholders.

Signing Mata and Fellaini and adding Adnan has made us weaker than last season.

Nowhere did I say this as my opinion or even remotely state that. Nice way to try twist points to disregard me : /

The squad is poor.

Again nowhere did I state this. I have outlined it is "poorer" then we would be made believe going by last season. I don't feel this squad can mount a title challenege, with the improvement of our peers, and the loss of Ferguson.

7th is the best we could possibly achieve with the current squad.

Again, where have you pulled this out of? Nonsense, while I felt and mentioned at the start of the season we had a chance of retianing the title, due to the inexperience of Pellegirni and a returning Mourinho, and assumed our squad could mount a title challenege from their experience, and cover the lack of in the new manager, I never envisaged us being outside the top 4.

Moyes couldnt possibly have done anything to improve the current situation.

As recently as an hour ago I've outlined some things he could be doing, I've never said he was hands clean in this, just I didnt feel he was totally to blame

Did I miss anything ?

Evidently alot. I appreciate my posts are somewhat long, but thats because they are formulating actual narratives and points. If your not going to read them that is totally fine, there is no problem with that, but don't construct some bull**** and stick it to me, to try distort what im saying and remove my credibility as a poster to the thread.

Ah, remember winning the Charity Shield and then hammering Swansea in the opening fixtures 4-1. Still in talks for Fabregas.

Seems like years ago now.

I just don't know how signings can change this around, in 8 months he should have showed us something positive. We do have a poor midfield but look at the Liverpool side, if you told a Liverpool fan last summer that Gerrard and Allen would be their midfield they'd probably cry and not tears of joy, but Rodgers has perfected the system at times to get the best from players he has, whether it be 4231 or 41212 diamond, and motivated the players.

It's amazing how we have Rooney, RVP, Mata, Kagawa, those players individually wouldn't look out of place in the best teams in the world and you'd do well to find a better attacking quartet but we can't play as a team at all, it's like an NFL team who have one play in the playbook, get the ball wide and line everyone up in the box. There's no movement, no linking up, no fluidity, no urgency just a group drilled to do one thing over and over again.

Is signing a few midfielders going to change this completely around?

Blatter wrote: »

City best price 6/5 to win at OT next week. Probably by far the shortest a team have been to win at OT in yonks.

Felt there was always going to be a "turning" where the team just unleash an almighty performance on someone. A big game, a big performance, something to truely celebrate. Souness touched on it before the game on Sunday, the only fear is that this team can't sit dorment and pathetic all season, someone is going to get a hiding at OT.

After seeing the lethargic rubbish against Liverpool, have to say I don't believe that anymore. I don't believe there is a big turning point, a big performance in this team, which is tough to say and even more so to convince myself of and believe.

Two derby drubbings in a short space of time, would make the situation somewhat untennable for Moyes regardless or any other narrative or topic. While the papertalk today is just a cause of throwing mud until it sticks, I do think it will be pretty much make or break time.

Can't even fathom what he can do to get something different. Sunday was argueably our strongest team.

I think the biggest telling point, after what's happened throughout the year, if we see a laboured, sluggish display against Olympiakos and then City, it would raise the question why can't the team get fired up for big occasions. And at that point it's pretty much done and dusted. Like I said my faith is hanging by the faintest of threads, not being fired up for a Liverpool match is inexcusable, do it again against City...and you'll see very different posts from me in here

TheDoc wrote: »

The indication from Gill last season was the club were preparing and planning for this squad to remain in place. I don't think it was a case he wasn't allowed, but I don't think there was the right preparation and the club was caught o nthe hop, ending in the ridiculousness we say in the summer.

That become evidently clear from not only Gills statements last year, but Woodwards recent ones to shareholders.



Nowhere did I say this as my opinion or even remotely state that. Nice way to try twist points to disregard me : /


Again nowhere did I state this. I have outlined it is "poorer" then we would be made believe going by last season. I don't feel this squad can mount a title challenege, with the improvement of our peers, and the loss of Ferguson.


Again, where have you pulled this out of? Nonsense, while I felt and mentioned at the start of the season we had a chance of retianing the title, due to the inexperience of Pellegirni and a returning Mourinho, and assumed our squad could mount a title challenege from their experience, and cover the lack of in the new manager, I never envisaged us being outside the top 4.


As recently as an hour ago I've outlined some things he could be doing, I've never said he was hands clean in this, just I didnt feel he was totally to blame


Evidently alot. I appreciate my posts are somewhat long, but thats because they are formulating actual narratives and points. If your not going to read them that is totally fine, there is no problem with that, but don't construct some bull**** and stick it to me, to try distort what im saying and remove my credibility as a poster to the thread.

Honestly im not sure what your angle is anymore.

Moyes needs time and money and you dont think he can be blamed for the lack of activity in the summer.

He cant be blamed for this farse of the season, he needs time and money even though he has been unable to get the best of the the current squad.

Our players are poorer than last year the and inferior to the rest of our competition.

Your posts do enough to discredit you but the points your making are rage inducing,again the Sunday Supplement ?

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I just don't know how signings can change this around, in 8 months he should have showed us something positive. We do have a poor midfield but look at the Liverpool side, if you told a Liverpool fan last summer that Gerrard and Allen would be their midfield they'd probably cry and not tears of joy, but Rodgers has perfected the system at times to get the best from players he has, whether it be 4231 or 41212 diamond, and motivated the players.

It's amazing how we have Rooney, RVP, Mata, Kagawa, those players individually wouldn't look out of place in the best teams in the world and you'd do well to find a better attacking quartet but we can't play as a team at all, it's like an NFL team who have one play in the playbook, get the wall wide and line everyone up in the box. There's no movement, no linking up, no fluidity, no urgency just a group drilled to do one thing over and over again.

Is signing a few midfielders going to change this completely around?

excellent post and no it won't.

his whole game since he's come to united has been to play it slowly, cautiously, allow bodies to get in the box and then cross it in.

I read and hear people talking about his wonderful everton sides, he didn't always play 442 you know? he also played 451.

He's spent 40m on Mata only to do to him, what he did to Kagawa.

Desn't matter who he signs, he'll still set out his side to be hard to beat, stubborn and drenched in the tradition of long ball and crossing it in.
At his best.

Anyone who wants united to be like that is either an abu or mentally deficient.

At a loss: The excuses David Moyes' gave for each United defeat 18 Mar 2014 06:00
What excuses has David Moyes given after Reds setbacks this season? See what he had to say in the aftermath of each game.



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David Moyes admitted on Sunday that he couldn’t fathom why United had lost to Liverpool.
Hopes were high in the Reds camp before the game, but after being blown away 3-0 the manager agreed things hadn’t gone to plan.
“It wasn’t what we expected,” he said.
“I felt as if the players looked in good shape and good fettle going into it but we just didn’t get to the standards that were required to beat Liverpool.”
Looking at Moyes’s reaction after similar United setbacks this season, bewilderment is a recent theme.
At Stoke at the beginning of February, the Reds boss could not believe Stoke had claimed the three points.
“I don’t know what we have to do to win,” said Moyes.
It was more of the same at Olympiacos.

“I was just surprised,” claimed the manager. “I didn’t see that level of performance coming, I just didn’t see it.”
Something is clearly not right at United. The players have not performing as the manager has expected them to in recent weeks, suggesting either a below-par level on matchdays or that the opposition are far better than is expected, or both.
Moyes was not claiming this earlier in the season though.
The manager criticised his team after they lost to West Brom in September and praised City in the derby defeat but overall was far more vocal about poor refereeing performances or close games.
Mark Clattenberg did not escape attention against Liverpool on Sunday but complaints about the team have grown.
Their deficiencies have been highlighted more, with Moyes even claiming ‘mental softness’ after the draw with Fulham.
Through the season, it appears Moyes has become increasingly frustrated in public with the performances in his squad, and increasingly at a loss to explain or defend them.