Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

1…4647495152…333

Comments

  • #1442
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,590 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    irishfeen wrote: »
    Can Manchester United score 3 unanswered goals at OT to Olympiacos - YES!

    Not this Man United.


  • #1443
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Its hard to know whats worse though;

    Accepting that a defeat would, in the long run, allow constructive change, and thus having a desire to see that defeat, such is the hatred one has for Moyes.

    Or.

    Accepting that defeat is inevitable, that it's not a case of if but when we lose by City and by how much, but still defending the man who has utterly destroyed the winning mentality in a year that Fergie spent 25 years building.

    That the new arbitary goal that allows him to keep his job is not even to beat City, but just not lose by more than 2 goals....if thats acceptable to you, genuinely, then it is a sad sign of how Moyes has destroyed expectations. At some stage, you've got to stop lowering them and accept Moyes is failing at his job of being our manager and the manager of Man United, not a midtable team.


  • #1444
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    How about Neil Lennon? Seriously. :)

    I heard an interview with Lennon a while back where he was saying that he loves testing himself in the Champions League, so I think we can discount him for the United job.

    Good manager though, knows how to motivate his players.


  • #1445
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    ESPN reporting United have made initial contact with Van Gaal


  • #1446
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,210 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    2moreMinutes wrote: »
    He's only played 6 or 7 games for us so far after having sat on the bench for a few months so it was always gonna take him time to get up to speed again. He's already provided a few assists but he's not exactly covered himself in glory yet either.

    When Mata gets settled we will make a push for fourth!!! :pac:


  • Advertisement
  • #1447
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    ESPN reporting United have made initial contact with Van Gaal

    Van Gaal is not available until after the World Cup, of course.

    If (a big if) there is truth in this, Moyes will be in the job for the season.


  • #1448
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    So what are everyone's thoughts on Wednesday? I be surprised if we won never mind got through.

    I think some are underestimating Olympiakos on this thread.
    With a 2-0 lead they'll probably play cautiously, try to quieten the OT crowd.
    I'd say a 1-0 win for Olympiakos, goal scored from the edge of the penalty box.

    West Ham at the weekend will be tricky, I'd be wary of Andy Carroll who can bully centre-halves (Vidic I assume is suspended for this one).
    Perhaps a 2-2 draw.

    Then Man City at home. This could be nasty.
    Given how much City have suffered from United over the years, who'd blame them if they really go to town on this opportunity.
    Also, they are in a title race so goal difference could be important.
    However I think the 6-1 will be hard to emulate, so I'll go for 3-0 to City. Worrying, given we conceded 6 to city before, and 4 earlier this season, Moyes might view 0-3 as a decent result


  • #1449
    Irishcrx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    Saturday sealed it for me lads , utterly embarrassing day to be a Utd supporter. I'll support Utd even if we drop 3 divisions but I will not support that man any longer. Completely tactically out of his debt at a club like Utd , We've seen it for month's now but enough is enough , we are a shell of the team we were last season unable to play football for 2 minute periods in games.

    The players don't seem to have a clue what they are doing , they look slow, spineless as others ave said there is a complete lack of leadership on and off the pitch. Nobody is stepping up in any games and taking responsibility for the team.

    Yes we need major work in the summer , we need defenders , central midfielders and at least one natural leader on the pitch but for the love of god do not give Moyes the money to do it. He is not the man for this job , again as said we might as well loose our next 3 games if it means the board will pull the trigger.

    I'd be braking the bank to get Klopp out of Dortmund tbh , He has the cut of a Utd manager and has the up most respect of all his players. He knows how to motivate a team , build a team and is tactically astute. Could also help with getting Gundogan or Reus.


  • #1450
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,927 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Irishcrx wrote: »
    Saturday sealed it for me lads , utterly embarrassing day to be a Utd supporter. I'll support Utd even if we drop 3 divisions but I will not support that man any longer. Completely tactically out of his debt at a club like Utd , We've seen it for month's now but enough is enough , we are a shell of the team we were last season unable to play football for 2 minute periods in games.

    The players don't seem to have a clue what they are doing , they look slow, spineless as others ave said there is a complete lack of leadership on and off the pitch. Nobody is stepping up in any games and taking responsibility for the team.

    Yes we need major work in the summer , we need defenders , central midfielders and at least one natural leader on the pitch but for the love of god do not give Moyes the money to do it. He is not the man for this job , again as said we might as well loose our next 3 games if it means the board will pull the trigger.

    I'd be braking the bank to get Klopp out of Dortmund tbh , He has the cut of a Utd manager and has the up most respect of all his players. He knows how to motivate a team , build a team and is tactically astute. Could also help with getting Gundogan or Reus.
    Sunday must have been awful for you so watching that spanking from Liverpool.


  • #1451
    Paulegend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭Paulegend


    Irishcrx wrote: »
    Saturday sealed it for me lads , utterly embarrassing day to be a Utd supporter. I'll support Utd even if we drop 3 divisions but I will not support that man any longer. Completely tactically out of his debt at a club like Utd , We've seen it for month's now but enough is enough , we are a shell of the team we were last season unable to play football for 2 minute periods in games.

    The players don't seem to have a clue what they are doing , they look slow, spineless as others ave said there is a complete lack of leadership on and off the pitch. Nobody is stepping up in any games and taking responsibility for the team.

    Yes we need major work in the summer , we need defenders , central midfielders and at least one natural leader on the pitch but for the love of god do not give Moyes the money to do it. He is not the man for this job , again as said we might as well loose our next 3 games if it means the board will pull the trigger.

    I'd be braking the bank to get Klopp out of Dortmund tbh , He has the cut of a Utd manager and has the up most respect of all his players. He knows how to motivate a team , build a team and is tactically astute. Could also help with getting Gundogan or Reus.

    as a liverpool fan i feel like this would be a horrible move. i for one dont want to actually like a man utd manager:D

    a lot of people say he is unproven as he only achieved what he did in the german league but he built a decent side out of nothing. considering where dortmund where before he came in. he has done amazing things for the club. plus the fact he is young enough that he could potentially build another fergie style era, albeit i hope not as successful as one :D


  • Advertisement
  • #1452
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    i can't believe he is still in a job.

    who still thinks he should be given next season?


  • #1453
    Paulegend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭Paulegend


    Leftist wrote: »
    i can't believe he is still in a job.

    who still thinks he should be given next season?

    anyone who isnt a man utd fan of course :)

    i doubt many of your fans will feel he is capable anymore. in saying that a decent result tomorrow night and even a draw against city and that view could be changed again


  • #1454
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    From The Times website,it's behind a paywall so here's a summary from another forum.

    Club denies the Giggs rumours.
    The club's leading sponsors and Avram Glazer attended the Liverpool match.
    The limp surrender to Liverpool was described as “awful” by senior figures at United yesterday, but while the official line was that the board’s backing for Moyes had not changed, the manager’s position has weakened considerably in the wake of a wretched run of seven defeats in the past 14 matches.
    No “extraordinary discussions” over Moyes’s future have taken place between the Glazers and Ed Woodward, the United executive vice-chairman, who are in daily contact, but there is shock at the extent of the team’s collapse since the turn of the year.
    United’s annual partner conference on Saturday had been attended by all the club’s principal sponsors, unfortunate timing given that executives attended the Liverpool game the next day.


  • #1455
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    squadro wrote: »
    i am old enough to remember listening to utd v barcelona in second leg of 84 game on mw 606 or 909 bbc. reception bit hit and miss but **** was there some atmosphere that night. stapleton twice and robson if i recall correctly and big ron in charge straight from topping up the tan on his sunbed in his office. :D


    always look on the bright side of life.
    He had probably the greatest nickname ever created for a football manager amongst the players.

    Back then Ron had an...... ahem.....quite generous side parting hairstyle.

    A comb over to you and I.:cool:

    When Ron was walking into a head wind, his 'side parting' would rise up in the style of a car with a fold-down roof.







    The players gave him the nickname "Cabriolet".:P


  • #1456
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,215 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    As an opposition supporter I see it like this.
    As much of a car crash appointment Moyes was, there is so many players simply not good enough to play for United or past it - Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Jones, Smalling, Cleverly, Fellani, Valenica, Young.

    Where is United's leader? Vidic and Evra are off so shouldn't be near the captains armband. RVP looks like he wants out and Rooney only seems to have rallied the troops since he got his new contract.

    I have said for years Arsenal with all there quality havn't got near the title because they lacked a leader. Chelsea have Terry, City have Kompany and Liverpool have Gerrard.


  • #1457
    Nalz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Headshot wrote: »
    sigh

    A new manager would solve 80% of the issues. Getting 3 more players would solve the rest.

    We dont need house whole changes, the team is damn good as it is but they need a manager that they want to play for

    Only 3? Nah at least 5. 3 defenders needed, a winger and a cm


  • #1458
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    rob316 wrote: »
    As an opposition supporter I see it like this.
    As much of a car crash appointment Moyes was, there is so many players simply not good enough to play for United or past it - Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Jones, Smalling, Cleverly, Fellani, Valenica, Young.

    Where is United's leader? Vidic and Evra are off so shouldn't be near the captains armband. RVP looks like he wants out and Rooney only seems to have rallied the troops since he got his new contract.

    I have said for years Arsenal with all there quality havn't got near the title because they lacked a leader. Chelsea have Terry, City have Kompany and Liverpool have Gerrard.

    a lot of good gerrard could do when he was captain during rafa's last season, hodgson's reign or the daglish fiasco.

    moyes is the no. 1 cause. everything else is worse because of him. he's making mata,rvp and januzaj look ineffective.

    everything falls to **** when someone this awful is running things into the ground.


  • #1459
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Rumourmill of the " three games to save his job" bollox. Journalists just getting in ahead of what might happen.

    There was some more good insight and opinions on the Sunday Suppliment (I catch it on the way to work via podcast) , that I agree with, and will summarise below.

    - RVP talk is cheap, soothing Olympiakos outburst. Wouldn't count on it being the truth. Performance against Liverpool will tell all(where he went on to be rubbish again)
    - Certain players completely taking the foot of the pedal. Taking it easy now that Ferguson is gone, either purposefully or subconciously. Agree with this, it's shcokingly evident.
    - Mata, Rooney, RVP axis should be one of the most enticing in Europe. But it requires all three to be putting in the work, moving and creating space. RVP slack displays this campaign making it tough to achieve anything.
    - Impossible campaign for Moyes, becoming evident that Ferguson had achieved wonders with this squad containing alot of players reaching the end, or simply not good enough. Moyes couldn't come in and disassemble a title winning squad.

    Interestingly another podcast I listened to AGAIN reminded me of Gill's quotes when they announced they were looking for Ferguson's successor. That the current team, should they go onto win the title, will provide the incoming manager a strong and experienced platform for which to defend the title and achieve success for "YEARS" to come. We do not want to bring in a manager who will dissassemble this squad causing instability.
    That podcast went onto discuss how Moyes quickly identified weak and problematic areas and members of the squad. This was made clear to the United board and Woodward, who were not prepared and caught on the hop, for having to replace a number of key components. The alternative provided was a marquee midfield signing and a "world class" singing. Neither of which came, but let's not forget there was a number of confirmations that we offered a ****load of cash for Bale.

    The over riding majority want Moyes out, and I understand the position, at this point my posts are probably being completely dismissed because I'm advocating sticking with him.

    But it seems clear to me Moyes identified early on that this squad would struggle, and he needed fresh players that weren't attached to the old regime. And that the United board were not prepared to provide that funding. They had planned for this squad to be there for YEARs. Goes to show that even Ferguson himself completely underestimated his own influence, in that he seemingly assured the board this squad could compete for titles for a number of years, with few new singings required each season.

    DDG, Mata, Rooney, RVP, Fellaini, Rafael. That is about as much title winning quality we have in the squad imo. Januzaj hitting that burnout that was inevitable to come. I've great confidence in Jones and Smalling at Cb. Mistakes are going to come, but we have played them everywhere BUT CB for most of their time here, so they still need to learn and make mistakes. Wellbeck, unless he starts bagging double figure goals in a campaign, I'm not convinced.

    Pretty much everything else I feel is completely sub standard, and when you compare them, even individually to their counterparts above them, you can see how they are far superior (ie. compare squad members to the matching player in the teams above us)

    You can't compete for a title, or even top four, with six players, and you definitely can't do it, when the only one that hasn't missed a chunk of the season , is your goalkeeper.


  • #1460
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Fwiw the match thread is here, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=89508242#post89508242

    Not gonna be a fun place,damned if we do & damned if we don't scenario.I'll always support THE TEAM so of course wanting us to go through.


  • #1461
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Rumourmill of the " three games to save his job" bollox. Journalists just getting in ahead of what might happen.

    There was some more good insight and opinions on the Sunday Suppliment (I catch it on the way to work via podcast) , that I agree with, and will summarise below.

    - RVP talk is cheap, soothing Olympiakos outburst. Wouldn't count on it being the truth. Performance against Liverpool will tell all(where he went on to be rubbish again)
    - Certain players completely taking the foot of the pedal. Taking it easy now that Ferguson is gone, either purposefully or subconciously. Agree with this, it's shcokingly evident.
    - Mata, Rooney, RVP axis should be one of the most enticing in Europe. But it requires all three to be putting in the work, moving and creating space. RVP slack displays this campaign making it tough to achieve anything.
    - Impossible campaign for Moyes, becoming evident that Ferguson had achieved wonders with this squad containing alot of players reaching the end, or simply not good enough. Moyes couldn't come in and disassemble a title winning squad.

    Interestingly another podcast I listened to AGAIN reminded me of Gill's quotes when they announced they were looking for Ferguson's successor. That the current team, should they go onto win the title, will provide the incoming manager a strong and experienced platform for which to defend the title and achieve success for "YEARS" to come. We do not want to bring in a manager who will dissassemble this squad causing instability.
    That podcast went onto discuss how Moyes quickly identified weak and problematic areas and members of the squad. This was made clear to the United board and Woodward, who were not prepared and caught on the hop, for having to replace a number of key components. The alternative provided was a marquee midfield signing and a "world class" singing. Neither of which came, but let's not forget there was a number of confirmations that we offered a ****load of cash for Bale.

    The over riding majority want Moyes out, and I understand the position, at this point my posts are probably being completely dismissed because I'm advocating sticking with him.

    But it seems clear to me Moyes identified early on that this squad would struggle, and he needed fresh players that weren't attached to the old regime. And that the United board were not prepared to provide that funding. They had planned for this squad to be there for YEARs. Goes to show that even Ferguson himself completely underestimated his own influence, in that he seemingly assured the board this squad could compete for titles for a number of years, with few new singings required each season.

    DDG, Mata, Rooney, RVP, Fellaini, Rafael. That is about as much title winning quality we have in the squad imo. Januzaj hitting that burnout that was inevitable to come. I've great confidence in Jones and Smalling at Cb. Mistakes are going to come, but we have played them everywhere BUT CB for most of their time here, so they still need to learn and make mistakes. Wellbeck, unless he starts bagging double figure goals in a campaign, I'm not convinced.

    Pretty much everything else I feel is completely sub standard, and when you compare them, even individually to their counterparts above them, you can see how they are far superior (ie. compare squad members to the matching player in the teams above us)

    You can't compete for a title, or even top four, with six players, and you definitely can't do it, when the only one that hasn't missed a chunk of the season , is your goalkeeper.

    How did they compete the previous seasons then?

    A lot of the younger players are a year older and more experienced and should be better, the reason they are not is because the manager just can't motivate them.


  • Advertisement
  • #1462
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Rumourmill of the " three games to save his job" bollox. Journalists just getting in ahead of what might happen.

    There was some more good insight and opinions on the Sunday Suppliment (I catch it on the way to work via podcast) , that I agree with, and will summarise below.

    - RVP talk is cheap, soothing Olympiakos outburst. Wouldn't count on it being the truth. Performance against Liverpool will tell all(where he went on to be rubbish again)
    - Certain players completely taking the foot of the pedal. Taking it easy now that Ferguson is gone, either purposefully or subconciously. Agree with this, it's shcokingly evident.
    - Mata, Rooney, RVP axis should be one of the most enticing in Europe. But it requires all three to be putting in the work, moving and creating space. RVP slack displays this campaign making it tough to achieve anything.
    - Impossible campaign for Moyes, becoming evident that Ferguson had achieved wonders with this squad containing alot of players reaching the end, or simply not good enough. Moyes couldn't come in and disassemble a title winning squad.

    Interestingly another podcast I listened to AGAIN reminded me of Gill's quotes when they announced they were looking for Ferguson's successor. That the current team, should they go onto win the title, will provide the incoming manager a strong and experienced platform for which to defend the title and achieve success for "YEARS" to come. We do not want to bring in a manager who will dissassemble this squad causing instability.
    That podcast went onto discuss how Moyes quickly identified weak and problematic areas and members of the squad. This was made clear to the United board and Woodward, who were not prepared and caught on the hop, for having to replace a number of key components. The alternative provided was a marquee midfield signing and a "world class" singing. Neither of which came, but let's not forget there was a number of confirmations that we offered a ****load of cash for Bale.

    The over riding majority want Moyes out, and I understand the position, at this point my posts are probably being completely dismissed because I'm advocating sticking with him.

    But it seems clear to me Moyes identified early on that this squad would struggle, and he needed fresh players that weren't attached to the old regime. And that the United board were not prepared to provide that funding. They had planned for this squad to be there for YEARs. Goes to show that even Ferguson himself completely underestimated his own influence, in that he seemingly assured the board this squad could compete for titles for a number of years, with few new singings required each season.

    DDG, Mata, Rooney, RVP, Fellaini, Rafael. That is about as much title winning quality we have in the squad imo. Januzaj hitting that burnout that was inevitable to come. I've great confidence in Jones and Smalling at Cb. Mistakes are going to come, but we have played them everywhere BUT CB for most of their time here, so they still need to learn and make mistakes. Wellbeck, unless he starts bagging double figure goals in a campaign, I'm not convinced.

    Pretty much everything else I feel is completely sub standard, and when you compare them, even individually to their counterparts above them, you can see how they are far superior (ie. compare squad members to the matching player in the teams above us)

    You can't compete for a title, or even top four, with six players, and you definitely can't do it, when the only one that hasn't missed a chunk of the season , is your goalkeeper.

    jesus christ. I can't even be bothered with this rubbish anymore. You are blind.


  • #1463
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    DDG, Mata, Rooney, RVP, Fellaini, Rafael. That is about as much title winning quality we have in the squad imo.

    Give me a break.


  • #1464
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,210 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    rob316 wrote: »
    RVP looks like he wants out and Rooney only seems to have rallied the troops since he got his new contract.

    Rooney has done fcuk all since he got his new contract.


  • #1465
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    TheDoc wrote: »

    But it seems clear to me Moyes identified early on that this squad would struggle, and he needed fresh players that weren't attached to the old regime. And that the United board were not prepared to provide that funding. They had planned for this squad to be there for YEARs. Goes to show that even Ferguson himself completely underestimated his own influence, in that he seemingly assured the board this squad could compete for titles for a number of years, with few new singings required each season.

    .

    Honestly on a scale of 1-to-10 how much to you really believe the above paragraph ?


  • #1466
    Ordinary man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭Ordinary man


    The longer moyes stays the worse it gets. Sack him and let someone else try and get the team playing in a way that can be built on next season. If they go a goal down this season, they look beaten already - no fightbacks and no waves of attacks. They play without imagination in robotic predictable patterns. There is a chance for another manager to take over and see what he can do. If it works, let him have the job next season. If not, go all out for a manager in the summer.


  • #1467
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    really hope united can get the result tomorrow night, cant see it though if im being realistic the way we are playing...

    the way it could happen is united race into a 2 goal lead, then score another in the 70th min 3-0 up, then in the 89th min olympicos score and united go out on away goals.... be great though to get into the draw for the quarter final though have something to look forward to......... and then they get drawn against Real Madrid who set a new champions league record and beat united 10-0 on agg :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


  • #1468
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Say if they sack Moyes, will Ferguson still be consulted on the next chosen one?


  • #1469
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Lennonist wrote: »
    Say if they sack Moyes, will Ferguson still be consulted on the next chosen one?


    yes


  • #1470
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    Lennonist wrote: »
    Say if they sack Moyes, will Ferguson still be consulted on the next chosen one?

    he'd pick someone like neil lennon.

    i sincerely hope he is not consulted. And definitely not bobby either.


  • Advertisement
  • #1471
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    They should consult Carlos Queroz to help pick the next man.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement