Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

BloodBath · 18-03-2014 01:17AM

irishfeen wrote: »

Ah i'd hope we could beat Olympiacos and go on to the QF of the Champions League - things can be decided after all competitions end...

So wednesday then.

J. Marston · 18-03-2014 01:25AM

So Neil Custis, a journalist for The Sun, said last night on Talksport that if there is no improvement in the next three games, Moyes is finished.

While I'd never want United to lose, three crap results could lead to a change. So anyone have the opinion of short term pain for the possibility of long-term gain? It's kind of tempting to hope for....

The_Kew_Tour · 18-03-2014 01:27AM

irishfeen wrote: »

Ah i'd hope we could beat Olympiacos and go on to the QF of the Champions League - things can be decided after all competitions end...

I have to say I admire your attitude and your positivity. I give you high praise for it.

Come Wednesday 7.30 I know all this doom and gloom will be gone and I be nervous and wound up as I be sat in Pub hoping we pull this off. I will cheer on the team and I be delighted if we get through even if we be up against it in QF but I would worry about that another day.

But if we do get knocked out Moyes HAS to go. No more excuses, no more sympathy. He has had more chances then any other team would give him. We have given him time. All we wanted from Christmas onwards was to see a right good go for 4th, to get to League Cup final, to push for chance in FA Cup and get to QF where in our way is a team that would be relegation fodder in PL.

He has failed miserably on 3 fronts so far and on the brink of a 4th.

Enough excuses.

squadro · 18-03-2014 01:30AM

ah ****, missed that night in the sugar club showing the game and the q and a with andy mittens and barney chilton. anyone there? good night id say.

BloodBath · 18-03-2014 01:30AM

There's a complete lack of leadership on and off the field. Vidic, a man who announced he was leaving the club months ago still gets the captains armband. Get's sent off and the armband goes to Evra, another player who's gone in the summer.

Complete madness.

The_Kew_Tour · 18-03-2014 01:33AM

BloodBath wrote: »

There's a complete lack of leadership on and off the field. Vidic, a man who announced he was leaving the club months ago still gets the captains armband. Get's sent off and the armband goes to Evra, another player who's gone in the summer.

Complete madness.

I missed that bit as I was getting rubbing from Pool mates.
So Evra got armband?

Is it weird that im laughing at this stage?

This is too funny.

squadro · 18-03-2014 01:36AM

missed that too. ah jaysus.

Vic Vinegar · 18-03-2014 01:36AM

Moyes is too afraid to upset senior members of the team or something (apart from Giggs, lol)

He needs to grow a pair of balls and tell them to go and sh1t if they don't perform... but he won't.

18-03-2014 01:40AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I feel sorry for him. I really do.

bad2dabone wrote: »

as a man, from a realistic human point of view i really feel sorry for him. Publicly he's working in a job in which he's clearly out of his depth. I've always thought of him a decent guy, a nice man. He's aged terribly this season. If he was a family member i'd be worried about his health.

I feel sorry for him myself on a human level. I doubt the man has gotten a night's sleep in months and he doesn't look one bit healthy. It's mad the noticeable change you can see in people shortly after taking intense high pressure jobs. I remember within a year of taking the US presidency, Obama looked about 5 years older.

The sparkle has gone out of David Moyes' eyes, he casts a beaten character. If ever anyone could do with you a month in Disneyland (or Amsterdam) it is him. Yes he has millions in the bank and will never need for a penny no matter what happens with him and United, but I seriously doubt he is happy.

His entire professional life will be defined by the outcome of his time at Manchester United. His every move and word is being analysed and judged by millions of people, and there are just as many wishing for him to fail and taking joy in his apparent misery.

If it turns out finally as it appears to be currently, that Moyes is out of his depth and a mistake on the part of Alex Ferguson and the Manchester United board, then the last person who the fault lies with for this is David Moyes. He was brought in to do a job as the man he was and presented himself to be. "Hey David, we want you to succeed Alex here at man United." It wasn't like he was going to say "No thanks lads, you're grand."

Same way that I won't hold it against him if he doesn't resign. Why should he? He will never have a better job if he lives another 10 different lives. He has the backing of the board, the OT crowd, the majority of the British media. I seriously doubt Moyes stumbles into the likes of Redcafe or this place so I would reckon he is oblivious to just how much of the United faithful he has lost by this point.

But when it comes down to it, I support Manchester United first and foremost. At this moment I want a change at the end of the season. Short of United battering every team in every game from now until the end of the season, I don't see my opinion changing or there even being enough games left to show something promising for next season. If the team do manage to play football for a few of the games, it'd be hard to see it as anything but another false dawn.

The_Kew_Tour · 18-03-2014 01:46AM

stankratz wrote: »

If the team do manage to play football for a few of the games, it'd be hard to see it as anything but another false dawn.

This bit hits nail in head.

It will take something special for me or most United fans to get anywhere near optimistic now.

BloodBath · 18-03-2014 01:47AM

Do the fans really support him though? The media is already turning on him.

I think it's more of a case that we don't want to turn nasty on him but if the board refuse to fire him what other choice is there?

Everybody want's to be respectful to him and Fergie and the team who has done so much. It shouldn't be our call.

The_Kew_Tour · 18-03-2014 01:58AM

BloodBath wrote: »

Do the fans really support him though? The media is already turning on him.

I think it's more of a case that we don't want to turn nasty on him but if the board refuse to fire him what other choice is there?

Everybody want's to be respectful to him and Fergie and the team who has done so much. It shouldn't be our call.

I am sure its happened but I cant recall a top side in England fans singing for the last 20 minutes in a game getting easily beat by a rival.

Get knocked out on Wednesday and then City annihilate us and I think you will finally see carnage.

squadro · 18-03-2014 01:58AM

the city is ours. lets be havin ya.

2moreMinutes · 18-03-2014 02:06AM

I don't think its really fair to say that Moyes has turned Mata into a pub player. He might be utilising him in a not so great way but its hardly fair to say Mata has been sucked dry of all his talent by Moyes. Theres a lot of things to say about Moyes but I'm not convinced by criticising him over his use of Mata.

He's only played 6 or 7 games for us so far after having sat on the bench for a few months so it was always gonna take him time to get up to speed again. He's already provided a few assists but he's not exactly covered himself in glory yet either.

No more than not judging Jan on his few good games, I wont be judging Mata (nor Moyes's use of him) on his few bad games to date either.

squadro · 18-03-2014 02:06AM

20 times 20 times i say 20 times man utd playing football the matt busby way

18-03-2014 02:10AM

BloodBath wrote: »

Do the fans really support him though? The media is already turning on him.

I think it's more of a case that we don't want to turn nasty on him but if the board refuse to fire him what other choice is there?

Everybody want's to be respectful to him and Fergie and the team who has done so much. It shouldn't be our call.

I think the fact that he still walks down the tunnel after matches to the sound of cheers/singing from the fans in attendance will be enough to classify it as "still having the fans' support", no matter how many thousand Manchester United-themed forums are currently going into meltdown on the internet!

As long as he's here I will be respectful, I'm not the kind to go 'Just fúck off and die David Moyes' be it by speech or text, and sentiments like that towards any honest person just doing a job makes my skin crawl. That doesn't mean though that I won't continue to get frustrated by the man and opine that maybe he would be better suited for a job with a different team.

Fergie asked us for time and patience and all the rest. Currently I'm willing to meet him halfway with his request - Yes okay I will support your Moyes guy at the matches, but in internet forums away from OT his ass is mine :pac:

squadro · 18-03-2014 02:25AM

i have blagged me way in to countless jobs even though i ****in knew i was woefully underqualified and without the recommendation of the previous employee/manager but **** did i hightail it out the door when the pressure came on. **** i used to wonder was i wearing the right trousers.

18-03-2014 02:30AM

squadro wrote: »

i have blagged me way in to countless jobs even though i ****in knew i was woefully underqualified and without the recommendation of the previous employee/manager but **** did i hightail it out the door when the pressure came on. **** i used to wonder was i wearing the right trousers.

Haha, I'm just imagining David Moyes worrying about his CV the night before he went for the job interview with United "FFS baby I'm stressing here, sure what will I put down for 'previous accomplishments'? I didn't even do my Leaving!" "Don't worry David you'll be fine, sure the old boss loves ya!"

squadro · 18-03-2014 02:48AM

denis the menace irwin. **** im stating the obvious. full backs like that dont come around too often. theres a man should be on the coachin staff .

hes not is he?

18-03-2014 02:53AM

Nope, I think Denis does a bit of punditry and the likes of that but no coaching. They don't make them like Denis Irwin anymore.

bassy · 18-03-2014 02:57AM

get keano on board,he can batter them at half time and full time.the would soon return to winning ways

squadro · 18-03-2014 02:58AM

yeah kinda knew, but alcohol is makin me imagine.

18-03-2014 03:07AM

bassy wrote: »

get keano on board,he can batter them at half time and full time.the would soon return to winning ways

Things are bad no doubt, but surely it isn't time for the Dragon just yet :eek:

squadro · 18-03-2014 03:12AM

lets not get silly lads. and im the drunk guy. calm downnnnn.

18-03-2014 03:15AM

In all seriousness though, these United players were used to having the fear of allah instilled in them and a top-shelf bollocking coming their way if they didn't meet their boss' standards. Players can't be shouted into winning, but that necessary fear which the likes of Alex Ferguson and Roy Keane command cannot be bought and tied to a contract, or achieved by simply upping the decibel level of one's voice.

I previously thought in his Everton days that Moyes was another of that mould, but from the performances and body language of the players at United I am finding it hard to see now.

squadro · 18-03-2014 03:23AM

yeah. dont think shoutin is the answer.:)

squadro · 18-03-2014 03:26AM

solution

18-03-2014 03:38AM

Go home Squadro, you're drunk!! :pac:

squadro · 18-03-2014 03:44AM

ye thanks ur right i am. first night on here and thanks for putting up with me. at the end of the day we all follow united.:)

18-03-2014 03:51AM

squadro wrote: »

ye thanks ur right i am. first night on here and thanks for putting up with me. at the end of the day we all follow united.:)

Been putting up with Moyes, you're a breeze compared! Right I'm not drunk unfortunately. Before the lads here are telling us to go audition for Brokeback Mountain 2, and before my fingers go into a permanent state of muscle memory from typing 'Moyes', I'm gonna bow out! Good luck with the fear tomorrow Squadro.

United We Stand, All For One And One For All, That'll Do Pig...etc.

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