Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Pighead · 17-03-2014 08:47PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

No we're not.

United: LDDWWL (8 points)
Everton: LWLLWW (9 points)
Spurs: WWLWLL (9 points)

Sorry, the six games I was using was before yesterdays match. Bit of a brainfart not counting the Liverpool game. Think we'd lost one of the previous six.

IvySlayer · 17-03-2014 08:51PM

Imagine what Klopp would do with RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, Mata whilst he is backed with 100m to spend in the summer. He's won the Bundesliga, now come and win the PL. He won't win the CL at Dortmund if Bayern weaken them year after year!!

Deiseboy01 · 17-03-2014 08:54PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

If Moyes were sacked . . .Do you think he'd land a decent job easily?

I don't think he would.

I think he would. Worse managers than him have got multiple jobs even after bombing in their previous role. I could see him replacing Hughes at Stoke. Arry at QPR, Houghton at Norwich, Mel at WBA. Any number of clubs would love him based on his achievements at Everton.

He's just not suited to a club of the stature of Utd. He has shown he cannot adapt to being expected to go out to win every game. Better suited to pragmatic tactics when classed as the underdog.

DM_7 · 17-03-2014 08:56PM

onemorechance wrote: »

Seems like everyone is trying to get a dig in. Drunkin tweets and gossip from fanzines. Despite RvP coming out last week to state clearly how all the tweets and gossip surrounding him was bs, folk still lap it all up!

Van Persie made encouraging comments.

However he made similar comments a fre months before leaving Arsenal for Manchester United http://www.football.co.uk/arsenal/robin_van_persie_staying_at_arsenal_rss1892116.shtml

TheTownie · 17-03-2014 09:05PM

Finished 1-1 against Bolton in the Lancashire Senior Cup. 87th min equaliser from Bolton. Poor defending from a set piece.

Went straight to penalties. Bolton won 5-4

Reece James missed for Utd.

ArmaniJeanss · 17-03-2014 09:06PM

onemorechance wrote: »

The club have already accounted for no CL next year, and it's even been reported that big-pay friendlies would happen if there was no EL. In fact, it may be preferential to play these friendlies than low-key EL games. They might favour 8th place over 7th! :pac:

I'm not sure how feasible that is - presumably the idea is lucrative far east friendlies on the Tuesdays and Wednesdays of Champions League weeks if you haven't qualified for the CL or EL.
Loads of problems with that though, as you aren't in Europe you would likely to be picked by Sky for Monday Night Football and/or BT for Saturday lunchtime games. So travel could be very tight.
Could such games be televised in the UK, I think theres limits on what can be shown on CL match days? Would UEFA even license such fixtures, I assume Sony Ford and Mastercard want their Asian audience focussing on CL games, not a local MUFC friendly.

onemorechance · 17-03-2014 09:12PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Van Persie made encouraging comments.

However he made similar comments a fre months before leaving Arsenal for Manchester United http://www.football.co.uk/arsenal/robin_van_persie_staying_at_arsenal_rss1892116.shtml

Similar comments but not the same. He said he was committed to Arsenal and that he would show it on the pitch, which he did. He was coming to the end of his contract there but said nothing about extending it; he has more time left on his United contract now and he's gone as far as to say he'd like to extend it.

For his own sake I hope Sheedy will learn to log-out of his twitter before going on the beer.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-03-2014 09:13PM

No way do I want to lose the match, just no way.

The way the season is gone I would not be surprised if we were 3-0 up into injury time and a repeat of Porto 04 happened.

Im not expecting much though. I think we will do well to win by a goal. 2-1 the best imo.

Vic Vinegar · 17-03-2014 09:14PM

We've lost seven out of fourteen in 2014.

Whichever way you butter it, that is crap.

LiamoSail · 17-03-2014 09:15PM

Pighead wrote: »

A decline? All it would take is for each of them to lose one game more than Utd for the remainder of the season. We're also in better form than both of them over the past six games.

The way united look at the moment, the only I could see them losing less games then Spurs & Everton is if they were to play substantially fewer games

n32 · 17-03-2014 09:16PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

Imagine what Klopp would do with RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, Mata whilst he is backed with 100m to spend in the summer. He's won the Bundesliga, now come and win the PL. He won't win the CL at Dortmund if Bayern weaken them year after year!!

Klopp is a fantastic manager but I dont think he would be the quick fix some people think he would. The high energy game he plays at Dortmund cant be implemented overnight. But I think the fans would be more patient with him if there were signs of a new style of play starting to develop. The most frustrating thing at the moment is the complete lack of cohesion and of a gameplan. We dont look like a work in progress, we look like a retreating army whose discipline and enthusiasm for the fight are gone.
That being said I m still heading over on Wednesday, hopeful of one last hurrah

J. Marston · 17-03-2014 09:17PM

Simeone or Klopp, throw bags and bags of cash at them until they accept the job.

Son Of A Vidic · 17-03-2014 09:17PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Your team are 90mins away from the last 8 of the Champions League against a well beatable team, and you wouldn't mind them losing just so the current manager gets the elbow.

nice!

Swear to God some of you's are spoiled (more than likely in the 20's age group) and when you's return to top form (which is enivitable) then I hope at least Moyes legacy will be to weed out and remove this horrible trait from so called 'fans'.

Glory hunters in its prime.

I could never wish my team to lose.

Amen to that.

onemorechance · 17-03-2014 09:20PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'm not sure how feasible that is - presumably the idea is lucrative far east friendlies on the Tuesdays and Wednesdays of Champions League weeks if you haven't qualified for the CL or EL.
Loads of problems with that though, as you aren't in Europe you would likely to be picked by Sky for Monday Night Football and/or BT for Saturday lunchtime games. So travel could be very tight.
Could such games be televised in the UK, I think theres limits on what can be shown on CL match days? Would UEFA even license such fixtures, I assume Sony Ford and Mastercard want their Asian audience focussing on CL games, not a local MUFC friendly.

If they want to it they'll figure out a way. They were able to fit a trip to Dubai in recently and I think they were offered a game there but declined.

I think the EL means more games than the CL, especially in the early stages, and I think it might even be pre-season; the date for the Madrid game in the USA hasn't been decided yet because of that.

It's a pity that a European tournament has fallen so far out of importance. I'm not sure that offering a place in the CL the following season will improve it much. Most of the bigger teams would have to have had a bad (league) season to need it; actually it would be great for United right now! :pac:

LuckyLloyd · 17-03-2014 09:25PM

Liverpool fan so who gives a **** what I think but these are the facts as I see them:

- Ferguson was the GOAT, he was definitely going to get more out of any squad under his charge than the average manager;
- Nonetheless, this is the same squad - with Mata and Fellaini added - that won the league comfortably last year and proved competitive in the CL;
- Whatever the merits of Moyes career, it would have completely unprepared him for the challenge at hand. He's spent well over a decade with no pressure to string runs of wins together and a general expectation that any trophy along the way would be a bonus;
- Utd look disjointed and absent of urgency;
- Utd should be able to secure the services of substantially superior managers this summer;

For me the answer of what is wrong is super simple and obvious and there should be nothing surprising at how it has all played out. This is a one year dip if he's sacked before the transfer window opens. All bets are off if he's provided season number two...

Cantona's Collars · 17-03-2014 10:13PM

Even Phil Jones is starting to sound like Moyes,

He told UEFA.com:

“The fans have been with us through the good and the bad, especially this season and they're the ones that can lift us and urge us on.

“It's down to us on the pitch but they play a massive role as well.

“Our mentality is to keep training hard and do the right things and we truly believe eventually it will turn – we've got to be patient and stick with it but it will come and we'll enjoy it when it does.”

David Moyes' side are currently seventh in the Premier League, with Champions League qualification for next season almost impossible after Sunday's 3-0 home defeat to Liverpool.

The manager described the first leg defeat as a low point in the season, with United favourites to go through when the draw was made.

Jones said they must not think about the performance in the first game, and focus on turning it around at Old Trafford.

He added: “We didn't play as well as we would have liked but there's no point dwelling on that – we've got to deal with it and look to the future.

“The future is turning it around at Old Trafford and putting in a performance that will lift the crowd and the team and it's up to us to do that.”

17-03-2014 10:17PM

I can't see anything other than tears on Wednesday night, not happy ones either. I previously went out on a limb and said that if Moyes fielded his strongest team at OT vs Liverpool yesterday, then we could get a result. That was THE last of my naive 'Ifs', we've been 'ifing' all season, but at this stage if my aunty had a bollix...etc.

2-0 is the result Utd need on Wednesday night just to bring the game to extra time and/or penalties, and then we still have to get another goal to advance or somehow win a penalty shootout, a task which recently proved comically beyond us. If Olympiakos score, there will be no extra time and in this case we will need to win at least 4-1, 5-2, 6-3 etc. to go through on aggregate.

As well as that, the prospect of a home game no longer fills me with the hope for our chances that it once did. Old Trafford is barely a fort these days, never mind a fortress. It doesn't matter what line-up we put out on Wednesday night IMO as it will all just translate to the following anyway...

..................Moyes...............

Moyes...Moyes...Moyes...Moyes

..........Moyes......Moyes..........

...Moyes.....Moyes....Moyes.....

.................Moyes...............

I would love to be proven wrong and in that case, pleasantly surprised, but nothing we've seen this season (apart from the Leverkausen games) suggests that we are capable of handing out the battering that we'll need to to go through to the QF.

They're my thoughts on Wednesday's match.

sky88 · 17-03-2014 10:27PM

I can really see united winning 3 nil then a last minute olympacios goal would just sum up the whole season

Courtesy Flush · 17-03-2014 10:33PM

Red Crow wrote: »

It will cost us £25m to sack him unfortunately unless a settlement is agreed.

They spent more than that on Fellani so I am sure it wouldnt stop them sacking him if they wanted too

Cantona's Collars · 17-03-2014 10:36PM

Looks like the players are ignoring him.

monkey9 · 17-03-2014 10:38PM

zerks wrote: »

Looks like the players are ignoring him.

"WAYNE!!.........for f*ck sake."

Schwiiing · 17-03-2014 10:43PM

zerks wrote: »

Looks like the players are ignoring him.[/IMG]

Whatever about Moyes not being up to the job, ignoring instructions from the manager on the sideline is unacceptable.

sReq | uTeK · 17-03-2014 10:44PM

monkey9 wrote: »

"WAYNE!!.........for f*ck sake."

Or, it's really loud ...

Cantona's Collars · 17-03-2014 10:47PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Whatever about Moyes not being up to the job, ignoring instructions from the manager on the sideline is unacceptable.

Seems to have happened a lot this season,even during the Liverpool game it was noticeable at how many times Moyes was screaming from the sidelines while Rodgers looked to have his players doing exactly as he wanted and only gave instructions now & then with the players actually listening to him.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 17-03-2014 10:48PM

Can see either United going through on Wednesday or Olympiakos winning on the night. There's nothing there to suggest that United can somehow pull together and win 3+ -0 though so I really can't see them going through. If it does go to ET I can only imagine the substitutions Moyes will make.

Jimmy Iovine · 17-03-2014 10:49PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Or, it's really loud ...

It was very loud there.

I'm pretty certain I saw Vidic motioning to someone else that he couldn't hear them at one point.

If it was an 'ordinary' game then I would say Wayne was ignoring him. I don't know this time though.

Lord TSC · 17-03-2014 10:49PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Whatever about Moyes not being up to the job, ignoring instructions from the manager on the sideline is unacceptable.

If they don't trust his judgement though, it is a problem with Moyes.

Iused2likebusts · 17-03-2014 10:56PM

I said it on here when moyes was appointed that he may struggle due to being left an ageing squad. If you look at it all your key players of previous seasons had reached their peak( bar rooney and DDG). Carrick, evra, ferdinand, vidic, giggs and to a lesser extent rvp. I think these players when they were at their best allowed utd to carry 2 or 3 weaker players in the team the likes of rafael, smalling, wellbeck, cleverly. These older players cant carry the team anymore and the younger players when expected to be the main men just arent good enough to be challenging for a title. Moyes has made 2 signings but doesnt know how to use them. Fellani alongside a dynamic midfielder will improve things dramatically. Carrick and fellani together in midfield are too similar. Neither drive forward with the ball and they arent quick enough to press the ball and cover space. Mata is also not being played in his best position he needs to play off rooney or rvp. Their is also a lack of pace in the team going forward so yous have become pretty easy to defend against.
Moyes needs to make some big decisions as the shape of the team is all wrong. Personally Id go with a front 6 of
Fellani Rooney
Young Mata Wellbeck
RVP
Rooney as a midfielder that can drive forward and can use his long passing range . Wellbeck and Young will offer pace and can both score goals. This is just a short term fix as obviously rooney wants to play up top but for 300k a week he may just take a hit for the team.

Whatsisname · 17-03-2014 11:20PM

David Moyes’s precarious grip on his position as Manchester United manager rests in the hands of the club’s supporters, with senior figures at Old Trafford standing by the Scot in the wake of the club’s humiliation against Liverpool on Sunday. Despite enduring the ignominy of a 3-0 defeat against Brendan Rodgers’s players – a result which boosted Liverpool’s hopes of ending their 24-year wait for the league championship – Moyes was spared the wrath of the United fans, who ended the game with prolonged vocal backing of the team.

The manner of United’s performance has been described as “awful” by the club’s power brokers, who have growing concerns over the alarming run of results since the turn of the year which have seen Moyes’s team beaten in seven of their 14 games.
But with the Old Trafford crowd continuing to display the patience demanded of them by Sir Alex Ferguson following his retirement in May last year, the club’s owners, the Glazer family, remain hopeful that Moyes can arrest the slump and take United forward, beginning with the Champions League clash with Olympiakos in Manchester on Wednesday. United must overturn a 2-0 first-leg defeat in Athens last month to progress to the quarter-finals, and such a result would banish any immediate danger of Moyes losing his job.

However, while the position of the United board is understood to remain unchanged in the wake of the Liverpool defeat, a negative result against Olympiakos would place immense pressure on Moyes to guide his team to victories against West Ham United at Upton Park on Saturday and in the Manchester derby against Manchester City at Old Trafford next Tuesday. Should Moyes bear the brunt of supporter frustration in any of those fixtures, however, the backing of the Glazers may finally be tested following the worst run of results in the club’s recent history.

Moyes is understood to have been engaged in lengthy meetings with his coaching staff at Carrington on Monday ahead of what has become a pivotal fixture against Olympiakos. Ryan Giggs, who has denied rumours of a fall-out with Moyes, was not present in those meetings due to a pre-planned coaching course at St George’s Park. Elimination from the Champions League on Wednesday would extinguish United’s only remaining hope of qualifying for the competition again next season, forcing the club to face the prospect of the Europa League or, if they remain in their current position of seventh, no European football for the first time since the lifting of the Heysel ban, in 1990. United have insisted privately that a campaign out of Europe, while damaging the club’s reputation, would not affect finances and the ongoing commercial health.

However, Moyes and his players have been made aware that qualification for Europe remains a priority and potentially the only way to salvage a positive outcome from this season.

Article by Mark Odgen http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10704112/Manchester-United-fans-hold-key-to-David-Moyess-future.html

(Cut out some of the quotes from Rooney/Mata we've already heard to shorten things)

The_Kew_Tour · 17-03-2014 11:25PM

I watched the Southampton v Liverpool game few weeks back and watched how easy and how well Southampton played. Im sure even the Liverpool fans will admit 3-0 victory was flattering.

Southampton created chances and played some lovely stuff. This is a team in Mid Table.

Yet we were nothing like that. No nice 1-2 passing. No unity between defence and CM and then to attack. Its long balls down the wing all the time.

The distance apart between players would make Trapattoni angry. It was awful yesterday.

Can anybody give a reasonable answer as to what the tactics were yesterday? I had no idea what was going on.

At least with Trap Ireland you knew what was happening. You knew there was game plan even if awful to watch.

Yesterday it was no game plan, no unity and a hammering. Im just glad Liverpool were average yesterday.

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