nepotism in state broadcaster..

positivenote · 03-03-2014 12:28PM #1

Simple question...
we all know it exists and is grossly unfair to the myriad of media graduates who are never told of these jobs being advertised (sic) but what can we do about it?

if all people do is mention it on a forum it's never going to change.

big panda monium · 03-03-2014 04:37PM

So what do you suggest ? I listened to lottie ryan yesterday it was the worst piece of radio I have ever heard. She was reading anytime she spoke, and when she did it meandered on and on and on , at one point she played the wrong song, then realised , spoke over the song and just continued to play it. Then at one point she pretended she was crying because the show was coming to an end, and to think tax payers are paying for it. Honestly people in community radio would be better than her. People need to listen to yesterdays show on the player just to get an idea how bad it was. If i can get a link I'll post it up. Nepotism ? its alive and well but like I sai what do you do to counter it ?

Evan DietrichSmith · 03-03-2014 05:27PM

big panda monium wrote: »

So what do you suggest ? I listened to lottie ryan yesterday it was the worst piece of radio I have ever heard. She was reading anytime she spoke, and when she did it meandered on and on and on , at one point she played the wrong song, then realised , spoke over the song and just continued to play it. Then at one point she pretended she was crying because the show was coming to an end, and to think tax payers are paying for it. Honestly people in community radio would be better than her. People need to listen to yesterdays show on the player just to get an idea how bad it was. If i can get a link I'll post it up. Nepotism ? its alive and well but like I sai what do you do to counter it ?

Not a lot, not a lot unfortunately.

positivenote · 04-03-2014 09:05AM

big panda monium wrote: »

Nepotism ? its alive and well but like I sai what do you do to counter it ?

I dont know? but surely there must be something that can be done? I may have heard that these jobs surely must be advertised as they are public service appointments? Cant there be some kind of disclosure re: the appointment process as It is our money that is funding it?:mad:

Welsh Megaman · 04-03-2014 04:54PM

Send a demo tape to Noel Kelly Management.

And the keys to the RTE kingdom are yours!

mickydoomsux · 04-03-2014 05:25PM

Stop listening.

Write letters/bombard their Twitter or Facebook with abuse.

Evan DietrichSmith · 04-03-2014 06:31PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Stop listening.

Write letters/bombard their Twitter or Facebook with abuse.

Won't make a blind bit of difference Michael, regretfully.

Loafing Oaf · 04-03-2014 07:10PM

Campaign for Pat Rabbitte's new broadcasting charge to be made voluntary vis-a-vis RTE.

Aidric · 04-03-2014 08:58PM

Because a nod and a wink is the exclusive preserve of RTE?

youtube! · 09-03-2014 04:53PM

It is rife in every public service job too make no mistake.

risteard7 · 09-03-2014 07:08PM

As somebody who has been unemployed I have seen it first hand. It's all about who you know not what you know.

serfboard · 09-03-2014 08:16PM

youtube! wrote: »

It is rife in every public service job too make no mistake.

FYP - do you really think nepotism is confined to the public sector?

reg114 · 09-03-2014 08:51PM

serfboard wrote: »

FYP - do you really think nepotism is confined to the public sector?

No, nepotism is everywhere but the public don't pay the wages of private sector workers. The public have every right to scrutinize who gets jobs in rte and how much they are paid, especially if, as in Lottie Ryan's case, basic talent and experience are lacking in equal measure.

stephenireland · 09-03-2014 08:54PM

Can someone list out people in broadcasting in the BBC and RTE who are there because of nepotism......?

Bobba Fett · 10-03-2014 07:49AM

reg114 wrote: »

The public have every right to scrutinize who gets jobs in rte and how much they are paid

Actually they don't. People are employed on behalf of the public to do that job.

touts · 10-03-2014 10:25AM

positivenote wrote: »

Simple question...
we all know it exists and is grossly unfair to the myriad of media graduates who are never told of these jobs being advertised (sic) but what can we do about it?

if all people do is mention it on a forum it's never going to change.

We have by your own admission a "Myriad of media graduates" being pumped out of colleges each year. On the other side we have a small population of radio stations and a tiny number of hosting slots coming available every year. To be honest if you haven't got some contacts in the industry it was a foolish course to opt for.

Turn the radio on · 10-03-2014 10:35AM

Nepotism is fact of life, It is everywhere, not just in rte. Ian Dempsey said in an interview last year that his oldest son works as a sound engineer for communicorp.

For Reals · 14-03-2014 05:38PM

What are the employment laws like regarding RTE? Surely they must advertise positions and hold interviews? I know they don't, so is there legal recourse here?
Hiring somebody based on who they are related to side steps other kids coming up, narrows the chance of finding actual talent and condemns us, the financiers of these endeavours, to piss poor entertainment just so the likes of the Ryan dynasty need never worry about having to do a 9 to 5 in a factory.

A.J.Plumb · 14-03-2014 11:19PM

Look ! It's not what you know it's who you know !

This is particularly prevalent in the world of broadcast media..why in the freek are the likes of Larry Gogan ,Dave Fanning and Gay Byrne still getting airtime on National airways..when so many talented and eager presenters cannot find a slot .

Fcukin disgrace !

Evan DietrichSmith · 15-03-2014 04:01PM

A.J.Plumb wrote: »

Look ! It's not what you know it's who you know !

This is particularly prevalent in the world of broadcast media..why in the freek are the likes of Larry Gogan ,Dave Fanning and Gay Byrne still getting airtime on National airways..when so many talented and eager presenters cannot find a slot .

Fcukin disgrace !

Can't argue with that AJ, this wafting along for aeons is what is holding RTE back

When you are finished get the fcuk out, go away from the place.

No need for Gaybo,Mike Murphy, Anne Doyle,and countless other has beens to be constantly popping up.

Give good, honest new blood a chance, not the children and relations of current presenters.

Time to shake that kip up.

Liam92 · 16-03-2014 02:56AM

I graduated from college last year and the aim is to get into radio, but hearing the likes of Lottie Ryan getting a job that I and many others would value and appreciate so much, is more than demoralising.

Why can't 2FM and others just give people the chance to shine instead of banking on 'safe' bets?

I'd happily accept not getting an advertised radio position if the successful person actually was a newbie in the industry and given a chance to prove themselves. This country is still so backwards.

A.J.Plumb · 16-03-2014 02:06PM

Liam92 wrote: »

I graduated from college last year and the aim is to get into radio, but hearing the likes of Lottie Ryan getting a job that I and many others would value and appreciate so much, is more than demoralising.

Why can't 2FM and others just give people the chance to shine instead of banking on 'safe' bets?

I'd happily accept not getting an advertised radio position if the successful person actually was a newbie in the industry and given a chance to prove themselves. This country is still so backwards.

Too right Liam...but it was ever so !

RTE have some neck in giving Lottie Ryan a National Radio Slot given the huge and justified criticism of the amount of nepotism in that organisation.

As ever the insiders look after themselves.....:eek:

Evan DietrichSmith · 16-03-2014 04:10PM

A.J.Plumb wrote: »

Too right Liam...but it was ever so !

RTE have some neck in giving Lottie Ryan a National Radio Slot given the huge and justified criticism of the amount of nepotism in that organisation.

As ever the insiders look after themselves.....:eek:

Nailed it there AJ , insiders find a way to bypass the system.

Don't go to the top, burrow in from underneath, tried and trusted method in semi- states and PS.

Burrow in, get your protege, usually a relation ,in at ANY LEVEL and then given the culture they can only go up.

Seen it done many times, I tells ya, many many times.

The_Captain · 17-03-2014 08:42AM

A.J.Plumb wrote: »

Look ! It's not what you know it's who you know !

This is particularly prevalent in the world of broadcast media..why in the freek are the likes of Larry Gogan ,Dave Fanning and Gay Byrne still getting airtime on National airways..when so many talented and eager presenters cannot find a slot .

Fcukin disgrace !

Larry Gogan, Dave Fanning and Gay Byrne are among the most respected broadcasters in Ireland. If you wanted examples of people who don't deserve their jobs in RTE, there's an awful lot of better names you could have used

dib · 17-03-2014 12:09PM

For Reals wrote: »

What are the employment laws like regarding RTE? Surely they must advertise positions and hold interviews? I know they don't

Two years ago RTE advertised publicly for a panel of Audio Engineers. 12 people were taken on on a casual basis and three have now been made full time. One of those is a friend of mine. To say RTE doesn't advertise positions is just ridiculous!

Mobile Dj · 17-03-2014 03:43PM

dib wrote: »

Two years ago RTE advertised publicly for a panel of Audio Engineers. 12 people were taken on on a casual basis and three have now been made full time. One of those is a friend of mine. To say RTE doesn't advertise positions is just ridiculous!

Rte do advertise jobs,

http://www.rte.ie/about/en/working-with-rte/vacancies/

I think it is in the presenting area that there does not seem to be a system other than the head hunt option.

I feel that there should be a slot where new graduates could present a show for a time and gain some experience, would benefit RTE as they could be first to catch the up and coming talent at the early stage of their career.

More Music · 17-03-2014 05:00PM

Liam92 wrote: »

.......I'd happily accept not getting an advertised radio position if the successful person actually was a newbie in the industry and given a chance to prove themselves. This country is still so backwards.

We'll if the position wasn't advertised publicly then the only way somebody would know about it is if they had a connection with RTE.

So the person who gets the gig would be unknown and unproven but still get the job.

Isn't that exactly what happened with Lottie Ryan?

She's an unproven newbie given a chance in RTE.

Mobile Dj · 17-03-2014 07:11PM

More Music wrote: »

We'll if the position wasn't advertised publicly then the only way somebody would know about it is if they had a connection with RTE.

So the person who gets the gig would be unknown and unproven but still get the job.

Isn't that exactly what happened with Lottie Ryan?

She's an unproven newbie given a chance in RTE.

Again filling a presenters slot seems to be done by head hunting an individual, not through interviews to establish suitability for the slot.

A.J.Plumb · 17-03-2014 07:48PM

The_Captain wrote: »

Larry Gogan, Dave Fanning and Gay Byrne are among the most respected broadcasters in Ireland. If you wanted examples of people who don't deserve their jobs in RTE, there's an awful lot of better names you could have used

I am sure they are my friend...but Gogan and Byrne are tippin eighty years old..respected or not they should be retired.

Fanning is well in his fifties but tries to look like he is in his thirties...dosn't work pal.

And I never said that these people didn't deserve their jobs in RTE...just that they are now past it....normal retiring age is 65....move on lads make room for some younger folk.

Do I not have a point ....?

goose2005 · 17-03-2014 08:17PM

More Music wrote: »

We'll if the position wasn't advertised publicly then the only way somebody would know about it is if they had a connection with RTE.

So the person who gets the gig would be unknown and unproven but still get the job.

Isn't that exactly what happened with Lottie Ryan?

She's an unproven newbie given a chance in RTE.

But surely it would be fairer, and better for the station and the listeners, to hire someone with proper experience, someone who had served their time and built their skills at a local/Internet station or in nightclubs and actually had the knowledge and ability to be a really good radio presenter? Rather than just the last guy's daughter.

Liam92 · 18-03-2014 02:52AM

More Music wrote: »

We'll if the position wasn't advertised publicly then the only way somebody would know about it is if they had a connection with RTE.

So the person who gets the gig would be unknown and unproven but still get the job.

Isn't that exactly what happened with Lottie Ryan?

She's an unproven newbie given a chance in RTE.

Lottie Ryan has featured on RTÉ several times in the past and don't even deny this was not down to her surname. There are so many talented people out there who could attract listeners on radio/viewers on tv, yet they'll never receive the same opportunities. It's a pity.

nepotism in state broadcaster..

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