Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:25PM

spiralism wrote: »

It's up to him to control them. There's clearly no respect there. And im obviously going to side with Ryan Giggs over David ****ing Moyes.

He's right too. 2 hours defensive work for forwards? Is it Man United or West Ham he's in charge of? And why won't he listen to advice like Giggs hinted at?

Telling Ferdinand in training to do things like Phil Jagielka does when Ferdinand has won six titles, a European cup and captained England is patronising and insulting. Criticising a group of players that has won everything as not having a winning mentality is the height of an insult as well. No wonder he's lost the dressing room if this is how he manages a squad of proven winners.

Well we don't know for certain that these events occurred.

Players criticising the manager is a NO NO.

If I were Moyes and Giggs started moaning I'd send him packing with his pipe and slippers. . . Giggs has been extremely fortunate to land a coaching role which Moyes gave him.

spiralism · 17-03-2014 12:27PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Well we don't know for certain that these events occurred.

Players criticising the manager is a NO NO.

If I were Moyes and Giggs started moaning I'd send him packing with his pipe and slippers. . . Giggs has been extremely fortunate to land a coaching role which Moyes gave him.

No but Red Issue tend to be fairly on the money, even if it is gossip. Note how little Giggs has featured lately.

If Moyes did that he deserves to be crucified. It's ****ing Ryan Giggs, people, you can't just say we should simply **** off one of the greatest players to ever wear the shirt because he disagrees with our idiot coach and is frustrated by him not listening to advice and running the sort of defensive drills seen at midtable clubs.

Headshot · 17-03-2014 12:29PM

Does Giggs have his coaching badges?

mike65 · 17-03-2014 12:29PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Exactly.

Moyes would be a fool to walk away.

Why did MUFC offer him a six year contract in anyway? . . . He didn't exactly have a glittering CV.

Look at what Liverpool have done with Rodgers. . .Gave him a 2 year contract to see how'd he'd get on - The results have been hugely impressive this season . . .so they're about to offer him a new 4 year contract.

It was three years. The task given was to make Liverpool "competitive" within that time frame, not win the title.

Whatever reservations Liverpool supporters had about Rogers appointment it was clear from about late January 2013 that he had got on top of the initial problems that faced him in the summer of 2012 and had tweaked his own approach, becoming pragmatic rather than pursue the ideological vision of Swanseas version of total football (pass 'em to death). With Moyes there no sign of anything other than regression and general cluelessness.

Rodgers game plan yesterday was to "rope a dope" Utd, he knew there was no pace and little pressing in the Utd front 5 so Liverpool just played a waiting game pressing Utd and picking up possession in the tackle or from a misplaced pass.

Moyes changed nothing in the game to counter that.

I'd have had RvP off after the second peno, moved Mata in behind Rooney brought on Welbeck left and put Januzaj on the right and just told them to attack quickly and often. Sure it might not have worked and left Utd open to a counter attacking goal but had they scored and got it to 1-2 then Liverpool might have buckled as the crowd roared and the tide turned.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:30PM

spiralism wrote: »

No but Red Issue tend to be fairly on the money, even if it is gossip. Note how little Giggs has featured lately.

If Moyes did that he deserves to be crucified. It's ****ing Ryan Giggs, people, you can't just say we should simply **** off one of the greatest players to ever wear the shirt.

There's no room for sentimentality in football and no one man is bigger than MUFC.

We all saw Fergie get rid off players who thought they'd like to run things as they see them.

spiralism · 17-03-2014 12:32PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

There's no room for sentimentality in football and no one man is bigger than MUFC.

We all saw Fergie get rid off players who thought they'd like to run things as they see them.

No one man is bigger than MUFC yet many seem to apply that standard to David Moyes. Giggs is right and if the veterans in the squad are rebelling it's very telling. Giggs has been a model pro his entire career. Can you imagine what would have happened if a 30 year old Keano was still there?

mike65 · 17-03-2014 12:33PM

Even Kevin Sheedy is having a pop!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/17/david-moyes-manchester-united-everton-youth-team

Mr.Micro · 17-03-2014 12:35PM

spiralism wrote: »

It's up to him to control them. There's clearly no respect there. And im obviously going to side with Ryan Giggs over David ****ing Moyes.

He's right too. 2 hours defensive work for forwards? Is it Man United or West Ham he's in charge of? And why won't he listen to advice like Giggs hinted at?

Notice Kevin Sheedy on twitter yesterday panned Moyes both for his tactics yesterday and, tellingly, for showing no interest in the youth team when he was at Everton.

Telling Ferdinand in training to do things like Phil Jagielka does when Ferdinand has won six titles, a European cup and captained England is patronising and insulting. Criticising a group of players that has won everything as not having a winning mentality is the height of an insult as well. No wonder he's lost the dressing room if this is how he manages a squad of proven winners.

Moyes inherited a team that won the PL last year, but also a team that was in decline tbh. Ferdinand should not be on the team, despite all his good work in the past, or Giggs. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Maybe that is part of thf problem at United, that the older players did not/ do not, want Moyes, hence the poor form. He needs to get his own team together. He appears to have Rooney on board now, but others are still resisting. When he gets to have a clear out in the summer, much of the bad blood will go, and Moyes can build a top team again. The man looks ill at the moment and the likes if the club legends should know when to go, aka Giggs, Ferdinand, and others.

Will I Amnt · 17-03-2014 12:37PM

mike65 wrote: »

Even Kevin Sheedy is having a pop!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/17/david-moyes-manchester-united-everton-youth-team

OMG really?
That's definitely the first time I've seen that mentioned.

spiralism · 17-03-2014 12:38PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Moyes inherited a team that won the PL last year, but also a team that was in decline tbh. Ferdinand should not be on the team, despite all his good work in the past, or Giggs. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Maybe that is part of thf problem at United, that the older players did not/ do not, want Moyes, hence the poor form. He needs to get his own team together. He appears to have Rooney on board now, but others are still resisting. When he gets to have a clear out in the summer, much of the bad blood will go, and Moyes can build a top team again. The man looks ill at the moment and the likes if the club legends should know when to go, aka Giggs, Ferdinand, and others.

**** that. Things are getting progressively worse, i'd genuinely be worried about a relegation battle if he was left there another year. Im not all about throwing club legends under the bus for a ****wit.

Seriously, i do mean it when i say relegation battle things weren't great in september/october but this is a whole new level, our form in 2014 is absolutely dire. Think i'm being dramatic? Who thought it would be this bad? We've gone from champions by 11 points to midtable in a year. We were 29 points ahead of liverpool a year ago and beat them twice. This time we lost both and are 14 behind. A 43 point swing.

Rayne Wooney · 17-03-2014 12:40PM

To think if we got a manager in with a good system we'd still have a small chance of winning the champions league with a favourable draw.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:42PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

To think if we got a manager in with a good system we'd still have a small chance of winning the champions league with a favourable draw.

Ah here. .

Mr.Micro · 17-03-2014 12:43PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

To think if we got a manager in with a good system we'd still have a small chance of winning the champions league with a favourable draw.

You have a good chance still. Olympiacis are not a great team. United should be able to overturn the deficit on Wednesday.

Timmyctc · 17-03-2014 12:43PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Ah here. .

He isn't wrong. We're the same team that were unfairly put out of the CL at the 1/4 last year.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:44PM

Moyes results against Man Utd when he was in charge of Everton. P24 W3 D6 L18

I'm just putting this up to try and find a case for Fergie thinking he was a great manager in waiting.

Moyes had five recent very good results against Man U between 2009-13

Knocking Man U out of the FA Cup Semi Final in 2009, two premiership wins, two draws (one which probably cost United the title with the other involveing 2 goals in injury time).

Maybe Fergie thought Moyes had something about him?

bmcc10 · 17-03-2014 12:45PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

To think if we got a manager in with a good system we'd still have a small chance of winning the champions league with a favourable draw.

Next year? We'll be out by Thursday.

niallo27 · 17-03-2014 12:50PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

You have a good chance still. Olympiacis are not a great team. United should be able to overturn the deficit on Wednesday.

I'd fancy them to overturn the deficit but I think not scoring over there will catch utd. I think utd will concede.

keeponhurling · 17-03-2014 12:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I'd fancy them to overturn the deficit but I think not scoring over there will catch utd. I think utd will concede.

Olympiakos outclassed Man United in the 1st leg.
What makes you think things will be so different this time?

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I'd fancy them to overturn the deficit but I think not scoring over there will catch utd. I think utd will concede.

Then you think United are going to score at least 4 goals v Olympiakos?

I don't

Mr.Micro · 17-03-2014 12:52PM

spiralism wrote: »

**** that. Things are getting progressively worse, i'd genuinely be worried about a relegation battle if he was left there another year. Im not all about throwing club legends under the bus for a ****wit.

Seriously, i do mean it when i say relegation battle things weren't great in september/october but this is a whole new level, our form in 2014 is absolutely dire. Think i'm being dramatic? Who thought it would be this bad? We've gone from champions by 11 points to midtable in a year. We were 29 points ahead of liverpool a year ago and beat them twice. This time we lost both and are 14 behind. A 43 point swing.

Patience is what is needed. Club legends should be cherished, but they should know when to go. It's ego that motivates them after their talents have waned. It was always going to be difficult in transition to a new manager, added to that, older players, resistant to change, is another problem. Ferguson would not have tolerated any dissent. Moyes is a nice guy and needs to have a chance.

Will I Amnt · 17-03-2014 12:52PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Moyes results against Man Utd when he was in charge of Everton. P24 W3 D6 L18

I'm just putting this up to try and find a case for Fergie thinking he was a great manager in waiting.

How simplistic :rolleyes:
It was Manchester United V Everton.

tallaghtmick · 17-03-2014 12:53PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

That's unprofessional though. Those players are fecking well paid to shut up and do as their told.

Moyes is in charge and if he wants the players to run up and down the pennines . . .then so be it.

It's not up to spoilt brats to take the law into their own hands.

What that sounds like is a breakdown in discipline. . . If that's widespread then it's no wonder results are getting worse.

So if your boss told you to do something not needed for your job and makes things harder you wouldnt speak up?

scudzilla · 17-03-2014 12:54PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

No manager would walk and lose out on the massive payout.

I'd imagine if Moyes is sacked his compensation will be huge having 5 years left of his contract m

There would be clauses in his contract.

IF they had to pay him 6yrs and he got another job in that time the compo would be a LOT less

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:54PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

How simplistic :rolleyes:
It was Manchester United V Everton.

. . . which was a 1-0 victory for EVERTON recently at OT.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:55PM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

So if your boss told you to do something not needed for your and makes things harder you wouldnt speak up?

That's not the point though.

I'm sure Moyes listens to his staff. What manager wouldn't?

Ultimately he has the final call. Players cannot be dictating training sessions or transfers or anything else for that matter.

Will I Amnt · 17-03-2014 12:56PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

. . . which was a 1-0 victory for EVERTON recently at OT.

It's not the same now and you know it, your line of argument is terrible.
There's plenty of stuff to level at Moyes without being so basic and ignoring all context.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:57PM

scudzilla wrote: »

There would be clauses in his contract.

IF they had to pay him 6yrs and he got another job in that time the compo would be a LOT less

If Moyes were sacked . . .Do you think he'd land a decent job easily?

I don't think he would.

beno619 · 17-03-2014 12:58PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

That's not the point though.

I'm sure Moyes listens to his staff. What manager wouldn't?

Ultimately he has the final call. Players cannot be dictating training sessions or transfers or anything else for that matter.

You would think the coaching staff would have an major input in training.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:59PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It's not the same now and you know it, your line of argument is terrible.
There's plenty of stuff to level at Moyes without being so basic and ignoring all context.

I amended that post by stating that Moyes has had very recent success over Man U when he was in charge of Everton.

I'm not stating that he has had terrible results or a terrible record against United as he was the Everton manager at the time.

I'm putting forward the case that his recent sucesses over United are probably what prompted United/Fergie to look at him as a serious contender for the job after Pep said "Nein Danke"

Kerrydude1981 · 17-03-2014 01:00PM

The way the season is going it wouldn't surprise me if Utd go up 2 nil the next night and then go all defensive play for extra time and pens.

That's the way Moyes rolls

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