Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Pro. F · 17-03-2014 11:26AM

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Lol you must think I care. The majority of the people who "despise" me and go around licking the arse of anyone who insults me are just kids who haven't a clue what they're talking about. The same two or three people who don't like what I have to say continue to follow me around this thread making digs...it's laughable.

This whole thread is a little clique, mostly filled with people that think they're man Utd supporters but they're actually just arm chair experts who have probably never been near the stretford end. I'm not here to make friends, im here to talk about man utd. People hate to be proven wrong so that probably explains why they hate what I say so much.

Of course you care. If you didn't care you wouldn't whinge about it every week.

Now you're going down the "I'm a better fan than they are" route. Good idea, that will shut them all up.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 11:26AM

eh i dunno wrote: »

but man U should have broke the bank for Jose last year

Wouldn't have had to.

Mourinho wanted the job.

Fergie had other ideas though.

Will I Amnt · 17-03-2014 11:27AM

SlickRic wrote: »

why would he quit?

there is literally no reason for him to walk.

he is not a Utd fan from what I know, he's on a long contract and is in the biggest job he's ever going to have.

There's plenty of reasons for him to walk.

tallaghtmick · 17-03-2014 11:29AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

There's plenty reason for him to walk.

The stress is keeping Mrs Moyes from getting the D.......avid loving:D

Ulysses Gaze · 17-03-2014 11:30AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Wouldn't have had to.

Mourinho wanted the job.

Fergie had other ideas though.

The club should never have listened to Ferguson tbh.

I know, I know a legend at the club and everything but the owners should have picked the successor - and that was Mourinho.

20 Times 20 Times · 17-03-2014 11:30AM

I am honestly so surprised by the amount of Moyes sympathisers around here and on other forums.
Do people really think he'll comeback next season with a set of new players and suddenly improve our style and our performances? Are people seriously suggesting that after the lows of this season Moyes will suddenly get the players fired and motivated next season?
Do people think RVP, Rooney, Januzaj, Mata will walk into training next season and suddenly start clicking on the pitch with the same man and methods that have miserably failed this season?

What is it that he will do differently next season that will improve the team? The reality is he is not good enough for the job and noting in his previous clubs shows why he should of been given the job in the first place. Enough is enough at this stage, ANY other club he would of been sacked at this stage. This Moyes Experiment isn't working and was always destined to fail ( in my opinion ) .Something needs to be done sooner rather then later.

Kess73 · 17-03-2014 11:33AM

Mod Post: Two posters are now on two week breaks from the soccer forum. Would prefer if the silly stuff could stop, so that nobody else gets themselves a break.

Red Crow · 17-03-2014 11:36AM

Blatter wrote: »

I don't like people saying Wednesday is huge.

Olympiakos are relatively rubbish so beating them by a few goals at OT wouldn't be a huge achievement. Besides, deciding the manager's future on the outcome of one game is silly.

He should be sacked irregardless of the result on Wednesday.

This. I was willing to give him time but he's not making any headway towards improving this team. He may still have the dressing room but it's clear that the players don't believe in his system and tactics as we were so poor yesterday.

He's not United calibre but he will be here for a another while. I don't think Fergie would allow Moyes to be sacked at this stage.

beno619 · 17-03-2014 11:36AM

eh i dunno wrote: »

I can see moyes going in the summer. He'd be perfect for Celtic but man U should have broke the bank for Jose last year

Your wasting your breath mate, they'll just tell you Martinez hasn't taken Everton forward.

Pro. F · 17-03-2014 11:38AM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Fellaini for me is the type of player at the polar end of what Fergie tried to build and leave system wise.

He is slow, sloppy and has a heavy touch.
Great strength and good in a team that need a target man - Everton did. Utd don't !

The ball won't ever be recycled quickly out of midfield with that type of player.
Sure you's shipped out a player like Berbatov cause a quicker tempo'd type of play was sought.

Fellaini won't give you's that required urgency from midfield.

There are a few issues with Fellaini: he's ill-disciplined in his defending; his passing can be a little bit sloppy and I don't think he's a great fit beside Carrick. But he is not slow for a CM and he certainly does not have a heavy touch. His first touch is one of the strongest parts of his game. It's miles better than the norm you see from PL central midfielders.

beno619 · 17-03-2014 11:41AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The club should never have listened to Ferguson tbh.

I know, I know a legend at the club and everything but the owners should have picked the successor - and that was Mourinho.

Not sure about that, Mourinho manages to confirm the reason he was ignoring week in week out. Great manager but he really is classless and a bit of a rat.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 11:46AM

beno619 wrote: »

Not sure about that, Mourinho manages to confirm the reason he was ignoring week in week out. Great manager but he really is classless and a bit of a rat.

classless, rat, etc. . . doesn't come into it.

United would be challenging for the title now if they'd appointed Mourinho.

No doubt about that.

It's all IF ONLYS now. . . .MUFC are not going to sack Moyes.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 11:49AM

Pro. F wrote: »

But he is not slow for a CM

Disagree with that.

I don't think he knows how to play the role of a Central Midfielder.

He is very slow, doesn't win many tackles and never appears to link defence with attack. He's also missed a few sitters since joining and his shots are woeful

luckyboy · 17-03-2014 11:50AM

I think it was a bit of an indulgence on United's part to ignore top-rank candidates for the manager's job last summer. I remember thinking at the time that an Ancelotti-type figure would have been perfect if they wanted to avoid the stresses of a Mourinho reign, but yet ensure some bit of continuity. Plumping for Moyes was a leap of faith that - operating from a position of strength as champions and financially solvent - I don't think United needed to make ...

Will I Amnt · 17-03-2014 11:50AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

classless, rat, etc. . . doesn't come into it.

United would be challenging for the title now if they'd appointed Mourinho.

No doubt about that.

It's all IF ONLYS now. . . .MUFC are not going to sack Moyes.

They would be challenging for the title with a host of other managers too.

As for your last line, you have absolutely no clue as to whether they would or not.

Agueroooo · 17-03-2014 11:53AM

Pro. F wrote: »

There are a few issues with Fellaini: he's ill-disciplined in his defending; his passing can be a little bit sloppy and I don't think he's a great fit beside Carrick. But he is not slow for a CM and he certainly does not have a heavy touch. His first touch is one of the strongest parts of his game. It's miles better than the norm you see from PL central midfielders.

Ok heavy first touch is a bit OTT but on a few occasions yesterday he gave possesion away very cheaply whilst trying to pass it first time.

maybe he has been told to be quicker out of midfield hence the first time pass, but he still looks slow.

mike65 · 17-03-2014 12:01PM

It would be a dereliction of duty by the board to keep Moyes beyond May 11th. Sure they will have to spent a shed load of cash sacking him however it'll be lose change when one considers that he could be let lose with a war chest of over 100 million in the summer and the damage that will probably weigh down Utd for a few years. Supporters don't need to have vivid imaginations to conjure up a version of Spurs summer 2013 (or Liverpool 2011) times 2. Suddenly a squad stuffed with players who cost too much shoehorned into a tactical vision from 20 years ago.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:02PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

They would be challenging for the title with a host of other managers too.

As for your last line, you have absolutely no clue as to whether they would or not.

As Gianluca Vialli said. . . Moyes would have been sacked three times by now if he were in charge of a top Italian club. . . .and he said that three weeks ago.

You could probably extend that to any other major club in Europe.

We'll have to wait and see. Everyone is staying quiet at the moment. In shock presumably.

spiralism · 17-03-2014 12:06PM

Red Crow wrote: »

This. I was willing to give him time but he's not making any headway towards improving this team. He may still have the dressing room but it's clear that the players don't believe in his system and tactics as we were so poor yesterday.

He's not United calibre but he will be here for a another while. I don't think Fergie would allow Moyes to be sacked at this stage.

There's rumours that players think he's an absolute clown. Giggs didn't show up for a coaches meeting because "Moyes wouldn't listen anyways" and Ferdinand had a row with him because Moyes gave out to him for doing things differently to the way Phil Jagielka did at Everton. Giggs supposedly stormed out of training a few weeks back after getting fed up with forwards having to do a 2 hour defensive work session and he's not featured a lot in recent weeks since

keeponhurling · 17-03-2014 12:08PM

I hate the way Moyes acts as though these awful performances and results are a big mystery to him

"We'll just keep working hard, hopefully things will change..."
"We need a DM and LB, hopefully we can get one"

He's supposed to make these things happen, he's the manager.

17-03-2014 12:10PM

No manager would walk and lose out on the massive payout.

I'd imagine if Moyes is sacked his compensation will be huge having 5 years left of his contract m

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:12PM

spiralism wrote: »

There's rumours that players think he's an absolute clown. Giggs didn't show up for a coaches meeting because "Moyes wouldn't listen anyways" and Ferdinand had a row with him because Moyes gave out to him for doing things differently to the way Phil Jagielka did at Everton. Giggs supposedly stormed out of training a few weeks back after getting fed up with forwards having to do a 2 hour defensive work session and he's not featured a lot in recent weeks since

That's unprofessional though. Those players are fecking well paid to shut up and do as their told.

Moyes is in charge and if he wants the players to run up and down the pennines . . .then so be it.

It's not up to spoilt brats to take the law into their own hands.

What that sounds like is a breakdown in discipline. . . If that's widespread then it's no wonder results are getting worse.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:14PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

No manager would walk and lose out on the massive payout.

I'd imagine if Moyes is sacked his compensation will be huge having 5 years left of his contract m

Exactly.

Moyes would be a fool to walk away.

Why did MUFC offer him a six year contract in anyway? . . . He didn't exactly have a glittering CV.

Look at what Liverpool have done with Rodgers. . .Gave him a 2 year contract to see how'd he'd get on - The results have been hugely impressive this season . . .so they're about to offer him a new 4 year contract.

beno619 · 17-03-2014 12:15PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

classless, rat, etc. . . doesn't come into it.

United would be challenging for the title now if they'd appointed Mourinho.

No doubt about that.

It's all IF ONLYS now. . . .MUFC are not going to sack Moyes.

It definitely does, we are a club that tries to uphold certain values. Mourinho is classless and thats why he didnt get the job. Eye gouging ect.

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Disagree with that.

I don't think he knows how to play the role of a Central Midfielder.

He is very slow, doesn't win many tackles and never appears to link defence with attack. He's also missed a few sitters since joining and his shots are woeful

He's a natural CM and has been his whole career bar last season.

There were numerous occasions where he caught up to a runner yesterday and he covers a lot of ground.

Have you actually watched Fellaini since he came back from injury ? He has displayed everything you suggested he can not do in his last three PL appearances.

keeponhurling · 17-03-2014 12:15PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

That's unprofessional though. Those players are fecking well paid to shut up and do as their told.

Moyes is in charge and if he wants the players to run up and down the pennines . . .then so be it.

It's not up to spoilt brats to take the law into their own hands.

What that sounds like is a breakdown in discipline. . . If that's widespread then it's no wonder results are getting worse.

Not sure if it could be in some way related to the fact that the current players have all won lots of trophies, whereas Moyes has won nothing.

Admittedly that was a worry from the start.

They shouldn't be, but players can have a sort of "show me your medals" attitude

MagicMarker · 17-03-2014 12:15PM

I'd love to see Giggs storm out of one of this guy's training sessions.

17-03-2014 12:16PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Exactly.

Moyes would be a fool to walk away.

Why did MUFC offer him a six year contract in anyway? . . . He didn't exactly have a glittering CV.

Look at what Liverpool have done with Rodgers. . .Gave him a 2 year contract to see how'd he'd get on - The results have been hugely impressive this season . . .so they're about to offer him a new 4 year contract.

If he wasn't Fergies handpicked recommendation I'd doubt he'd have been handed a 6 year deal

keeponhurling · 17-03-2014 12:17PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

No manager would walk and lose out on the massive payout.

I'd imagine if Moyes is sacked his compensation will be huge having 5 years left of his contract m

Also if he is sacked he can always say that believes he would have turned things around if given time, squad needed a revamp etc.

If he resigns, it shows he knows he cannot do it.

Peter Flynt · 17-03-2014 12:19PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Not sure if it could be in some way related to the fact that the current players have all won lots of trophies, whereas Moyes has won nothing.

Admittedly that was a worry from the start.

They shouldn't be, but players can have a sort of "show me your medals" attitude

That definitely goes on. . . Player Power.

It's very simple also - the old headmaster (there for 26 years) has been replaced by someone who cannot control the class by the sounds of it.

Player Power is really dangerous and it's something Fergie has alluded to many times when he has stated that as soon as the manager is not in charge of MUFC . . . then that's when they stop winning trophies.

Giggs has also been sidelined for much of the season. . . probably against his expectations.

spiralism · 17-03-2014 12:20PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

That's unprofessional though. Those players are fecking well paid to shut up and do as their told.

Moyes is in charge and if he wants the players to run up and down the pennines . . .then so be it.

It's not up to spoilt brats to take the law into their own hands.

What that sounds like is a breakdown in discipline. . . If that's widespread then it's no wonder results are getting worse.

It's up to him to control them. There's clearly no respect there. And im obviously going to side with Ryan Giggs over David ****ing Moyes.

He's right too. 2 hours defensive work for forwards? Is it Man United or West Ham he's in charge of? And why won't he listen to advice like Giggs hinted at?

Notice Kevin Sheedy on twitter yesterday panned Moyes both for his tactics yesterday and, tellingly, for showing no interest in the youth team when he was at Everton.

Telling Ferdinand in training to do things like Phil Jagielka does when Ferdinand has won six titles, a European cup and captained England is patronising and insulting. Criticising a group of players that has won everything as not having a winning mentality is the height of an insult as well. No wonder he's lost the dressing room if this is how he manages a squad of proven winners.

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