Iona vs Panti

Hotblack Desiato · 21-02-2014 12:24AM

Zillah wrote: »

If anything we're making her more famous.

So she's now Almost Famous ?

I think Breda would agree with the first part of the 'no more sex' line

aloyisious · 21-02-2014 12:18PM

Irish band Outrage release single "Oppression" for charity-funding of BeLonGTo.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Feile.ie%2F2014%2F02%2F21%2Fcharity-single-by-outrage-oppression-ft-panti%2F&ei=QUMHU477GIa47Abk44Fw&usg=AFQjCNHq4kfhlmFfBJIXalnF1IW0nblTBg&sig2=9765YnIbwYWQ2fVj9C9NrA&bvm=bv.61725948,d.ZGU

robindch · 21-02-2014 02:43PM

lazygal wrote: »

Ronan Mullen will always be the man who told couples who'd shared their heartbreak at having to travel abroad for terminations for fatal foetal abnormalities that they had a wider agenda.

Hello last week, but seriously, ye gods, did that weed actually say that? When and where?

Zubeneschamali · 21-02-2014 02:49PM

robindch wrote: »

When and where?

He said it when he slimed over to wipe mucus on them after they were at a meeting in Leinster House:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/senator-ronan-mullen-rejects-claims-over-women-in-abortion-discussions-at-leinster-house-26846123.html

MrPudding · 21-02-2014 03:38PM

On the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26287377

MrP

Cabaal · 21-02-2014 03:56PM

MrPudding wrote: »

On the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26287377

MrP

I bet Iona wish they never sent any letters now,

Its now been almost 30 days and its still in the Irish & international Media...for all the wrong reasons

oceanclub · 21-02-2014 07:04PM

Funny interview with Panti in The Outmost:

http://t.co/hBCGLcFo3h

Maria Steen? Please. Who the **** are you? My dog is more famous than you. And Dr John Murray. Seriously? Nobody knows who you are, and nobody cares. And what’s with calling him Dr John Murray? They do love that in Iona, don’t they? People think he’s a medical doctor, but he’s a doctor of theology, which is like being a doctor of Harry Potter studies.

P.

Links234 · 21-02-2014 07:38PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Irish band Outrage

Nothing to do with the Japanese band then? :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdRZPvlS2PQ

Mark Hamill · 21-02-2014 07:43PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He said it when he slimed over to wipe mucus on them after they were at a meeting in Leinster House:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/senator-ronan-mullen-rejects-claims-over-women-in-abortion-discussions-at-leinster-house-26846123.html

From the article:

[Ronan Mullen] has rejected claims that he suggested four women had a wider agenda as they told of their experiences of travelling for abortion due to fatal foetal abnormalities.

...

"It was at that point that I [Ronan Mullen] asked whether there was a separate agenda here as this was not what normally happened when politicians came along to follow up with people who came in to lobby them," [Ronan Mullen] said.

Is English not his first language or something?

aloyisious · 21-02-2014 08:02PM

Links234 wrote: »

Nothing to do with the Japanese band then? :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdRZPvlS2PQ

Have to get the Metro to check on the band, don't think it said Japanese anywhere. I assumed it was an Irish band, hope I'm not morto (practices blushing) :eek:

lazygal · 21-02-2014 08:19PM

Mark Hamill wrote: »

From the article:

Is English not his first language or something?

No he's just a judgemental little weasel.

Links234 · 21-02-2014 08:22PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Have to get the Metro to check on the band, don't think it said Japanese anywhere. I assumed it was an Irish band, hope I'm not morto (practices blushing) :eek:

Oh it's not the same at all, I was just joking about the same name

aloyisious · 21-02-2014 09:21PM

Links234 wrote: »

Oh it's not the same at all, I was just joking about the same name

LOL, found the metro, It's Out!Rage

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgometro.ie%2F2014%2F02%2Foutrage-put-musical-spin-on-pantis-viral-abbey-speech%2F&ei=icMHU5ilJM7G7AaL0oGYAw&usg=AFQjCNFIcdyo4afBYTc7tapuTieN11crkw&bvm=bv.61725948,d.ZGU

Links234 · 21-02-2014 09:45PM

aloyisious wrote: »

LOL, found the metro, It's Out!Rage

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgometro.ie%2F2014%2F02%2Foutrage-put-musical-spin-on-pantis-viral-abbey-speech%2F&ei=icMHU5ilJM7G7AaL0oGYAw&usg=AFQjCNFIcdyo4afBYTc7tapuTieN11crkw&bvm=bv.61725948,d.ZGU

The Japanese band is WAY better

Brian Shanahan · 22-02-2014 01:01AM

oceanclub quoting Panti wrote: »

but he’s a doctor of theology, which is like being a doctor of Harry Potter studies.

I am outraged, sir, outraged at this slander.

Doctorates in Harry Potter studies are far harder to get and far, far more valuable than doctorates in theology. Now where do I queue for my 85 grand?

Obliq · 22-02-2014 08:46AM

http://barbarascully.blogspot.ie/2014/02/my-good-name-was-demolished-too.html?spref=tw&m=1

Nice blog showing Breda's "argument" for the class of discrimination it is. I took offence to it in exactly the same way. As entirely irrelevant to marriage equality, and as the usual slur on single parents/childless couples/gay parents.

david75 · 22-02-2014 09:46AM

In fairness to the Times, they have had Fintan O Toole write a couple of excellent articles about the whole debate. And maybe I'm biased cos I'm a fan but he can outmanoeuvre any of the naysayers that are featured in the Times. Waters and O Brien especially.

The Black Oil · 22-02-2014 10:55AM

Apparently, Breda's going to be on with Marian on RTE Radio 1. Bloody hell, talk about getting plenty of exposure. Ridiculous.

B0jangles · 22-02-2014 11:36AM

She's on now and is NOT covering herself with glory. Overall I think it's good because Marian is calling her out on most of what she's saying.

The Black Oil · 22-02-2014 11:39AM

Will her next column be 'I went on to chat to Marian, but she was mean, I'm still being silenced'?

GCU Flexible Demeanour · 22-02-2014 11:43AM

Obliq wrote: »

http://barbarascully.blogspot.ie/2014/02/my-good-name-was-demolished-too.html?spref=tw&m=1

Nice blog showing Breda's "argument" for the class of discrimination it is. I took offence to it in exactly the same way. As entirely irrelevant to marriage equality, and as the usual slur on single parents/childless couples/gay parents.

A human right to biological information? I love it when people throw out a word because it looks so good in a sentence.

It's a human right, apparently. Etched into the very stuff we're made of, by God or something. Not a boring old civil right, or just a healthy practice when it's possible to do it. And if I seem really, really serious about saying it's a human right, folk will just have to nod along.

Feck, this circus is turning away from Stan's right to have babies, and turning into pure Johnny Cash.

I don't blame him 'cause he run and hid,
But the meanest thing that he ever did
Was before he left he went and named me Sue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BJfDvSITY

Pherekydes · 22-02-2014 11:46AM

She began to say the children of these [same sex] marriages will be exactly the same [as children of traditional marriages] but then checked herself.

Earth calling Breda [or God calling Breda]: These children will be exactly the same as the children of traditional marriages, regardless of how homophobes like yourself would like to differentiate between them.

oceanclub · 22-02-2014 12:32PM

She compared herself to gay people by saying she'd been shy as a teenager. A stunning lack of empathy bordering on delusion. There's no religions which think being shy is punishable by death. Or parents who throw their teenagers out of home for being shy. Or jobs where there are specific legal clauses allowing the sacking of shy people.

P.

lazygal · 22-02-2014 12:38PM

She came across as lacking empathy, self awareness and sympathy for anyone who isn't Just Like Her. You're a middle class white woman with a national newspaper column and a permanent teaching job, Breda, not Rosa Parks II.

oceanclub · 22-02-2014 12:50PM

lazygal wrote: »

She came across as lacking empathy, self awareness and sympathy for anyone who isn't Just Like Her. You're a middle class white woman with a national newspaper column and a permanent teaching job, Breda, not Rosa Parks II.

I know some people who have those from the Irish right-wing Catholic circles added on Facebook, so I've gotten to hear about some of the conversations you have. Here's a bunch of people who talk about the "groupthink" of liberal Ireland, but themselves live in a complete bubble. One noticeable thing is how intermarried lots of the well-known ultra-Catholic media people/spokepeople are - three families make up a sizeable number of them. And they are rarely friends with anyone outside the circle - so these conversations tend to be just wallows in self-pity at how oppressed they are.

P.

GCU Flexible Demeanour · 22-02-2014 12:52PM

oceanclub wrote: »

A stunning lack of empathy bordering on delusion. There's

Alternatively, she's validly observing that an amount of the rhetoric descends into MOPEry, when all they're really doing is explaining that they've shared reasonably common human experiences.

oceanclub · 22-02-2014 12:58PM

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Alternatively, she's validly observing that an amount of the rhetoric descends into MOPEry, when all they're really doing is explaining that they've shared reasonably common human experiences.

I presume if you rewrite that, it will make sense, but I honestly have no idea what your point is.

P.

GCU Flexible Demeanour · 22-02-2014 01:05PM

oceanclub wrote: »

I presume if you rewrite that, it will make sense, but I honestly have no idea what your point is.

P.

What's the point in a rewrite? Understanding the point just requires empathy. That's something you feel, rather than something you know.

oceanclub · 22-02-2014 01:07PM

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

What's the point in a rewrite? Understanding the point just requires empathy. That's something you feel, rather than something you know.

It also requires you to write in something resembling English. ("MOPEry"?)

P.

aloyisious · 22-02-2014 01:37PM

It's interesting to know that Breda's not a member of Iona, just a patron, that it's not solely Catholic, it has Protestants and non-believers in it's membership. I'm wondering if she's implying that the non-believing members of Iona are in agreement with her Catholic view of marriage.

If I meet Breda I have several questions for her, re her belief that marriage is absolutely linked to the procreation of children.

1. Does she think that married couples using prophylaxics are not truly married in
her eyes, as they are preventing the issue of children?

2. Does she think that couples preparing to be married should be tested to see if
either partner is barren/sterile; and if so, should not be allowed marry the
O/P?

3. Does she believe married female rape victims must be refused prophylactic aids,
as they are is an anti-pregnancy measure, thereby preventing the issue of
child/ren?

In using the term married in my questions, I'm referring to heterosexual couples/people, as Breda has already ruled out allowing civil marriage to homosexual couples (male or female) on the grounds of her belief that the marriage cannot be consummated in the traditional manner. The best way to fight Breda is to push her into a corner of her own making in a debate and use her quotes against her. Let her tear down her curtain and reveal to our fellow straight citizens, in her own words, that she will not allow them get married if they have planned marriages outside her view of marriage-norms.

There is no point in an angry rant against Breda as I believe that that is exactly what would suit her side of any debate, to point the finger and say; "see what I mean, they will not debate the topic in a lucid manner, they are full of hate and wish to shout me down".

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