Farming Chit Chat III

Greengrass1 · 21-01-2014 10:23PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Not saying i dont like the x breed route cause i can actually see the logic behind it in certain circumstances.I will say though that too many guys are totally blinded by it and fail to see the merits of going the holstein route.they see it as the answer to all their problems which it isnt.It is possible to run a herd of 7 to 8 k a year holsteins on a tonne of meal and mostly grass as well as having extremely high solids and excellent fertility.attention to detail is where most lads fall down.a prime example here is stan with pure holsteins and very high milk yields and solids as well as excellent fertility.just be open to something different than whats preached

I can see what your saying but if you were to increase 5 fold in 4-5 yrs it would be hard to look after them HO cows. You need a cow with as little mantaince as possible. But we had a small herd of 50 cows in the old farm and they were 3 way cross and we made money. Was a very high stocking rate and good bit of meal fed

Greengrass1 · 21-01-2014 10:28PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Remember on two occasions where farmers where openly called crazy for buying quota at the time by this guy, did you ever visit one his former students down in mullinhone in Tipperary he followed the same line as this 160 cows with 50,000 gallons of quota got done with a crazy fine 2010-2011 his line at the time when I questioned him on quota issues is why buy quota id rather spend it on cows he was simply following teagasc advice at the time re quota it wasn't in issue in their eyes.
Was an add on the journal two weeks ago where a lad was selling out 170 cows plus all followers in Tippeary wonder who that was :rolleyes:

Can't say we visited him. But that wouldn't be very smart.
Visited a few fr/ho farms now that I think of it. They were high ebi herds though with a big emphasis on grass.
Visited a lad that was zero grazing.
Lad with herd of nz fr with sheds for every animal

delaval · 21-01-2014 10:28PM

Funny I got the piss taken for putting cows, quota and land before buildings and toys???????

jaymla627 · 21-01-2014 10:37PM

Timmaay wrote: »

So the chap has never had more than 50kgls quota, and risked it every year? For most farmers one big SL fine is well enough of a slap on the wrists to cop themselves on!

He only got away for 1 year it was a new greenfield site that only started in 09 id reckon this superlevy has him finished.

sheebadog · 21-01-2014 10:37PM

delaval wrote: »

Funny I got the piss taken for putting cows, quota and land before buildings and toys???????

Priorities. You just cant have one without the other.

Cant understand the " build it and they will come" syndrome.

hugo29 · 21-01-2014 10:38PM

Fcuking calf dead on slats tonight, 8 weeks prem, big lump bull calf off one of me best cows:mad:

Bad start

mahoney_j · 21-01-2014 10:39PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I can see what your saying but if you were to increase 5 fold in 4-5 yrs it would be hard to look after them HO cows. You need a cow with as little mantaince as possible. But we had a small herd of 50 cows in the old farm and they were 3 way cross and we made money. Was a very high stocking rate and good bit of meal fed

If i could double current nos breeding would still be the same without doubt.I have a good grasp of breeding a medium yielding,High solids high fertility cow as well as a decent hand at grassland management.my current herd arent what id call high mantinance.its taken years of informed and practical breeding decisions to get here.mantaining twice what i have now at the same level wouldnt be that big of an issue.I would need another labour unit though,Not a full one just for a bit of relief milking and help at spring.If i had say a 2 or 3 hundered acre milking block then id prob go the pure jersey route

delaval · 21-01-2014 10:46PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

If i could double current nos breeding would still be the same without doubt.I have a good grasp of breeding a medium yielding,High solids high fertility cow as well as a decent hand at grassland management.my current herd arent what id call high mantinance.its taken years of informed and practical breeding decisions to get here.mantaining twice what i have now at the same level wouldnt be that big of an issue.I would need another labour unit though,Not a full one just for a bit of relief milking and help at spring.If i had say a 2 or 3 hundered acre milking block then id prob go the pure jersey route

Pure Jersey, more suited to an indoor system

Greengrass1 · 21-01-2014 10:47PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

If i could double current nos breeding would still be the same without doubt.I have a good grasp of breeding a medium yielding,High solids high fertility cow as well as a decent hand at grassland management.my current herd arent what id call high mantinance.its taken years of informed and practical breeding decisions to get here.mantaining twice what i have now at the same level wouldnt be that big of an issue.I would need another labour unit though,Not a full one just for a bit of relief milking and help at spring.If i had say a 2 or 3 hundered acre milking block then id prob go the pure jersey route

Yes your right. No bother running a herd of 180 cows that are ho/fr. But they do require more attention than a he or jex, they just get on and graze. But it works too having a small herd of jex too. I'll never go 3 way cross again though. Father did it in the 90s and all we got were cracker jacks of heifers that couldn't be controlled

delaval · 21-01-2014 10:50PM

Ye're all talking nonsense, ALL COWS NEED FULL ATTENTION, regardless of breed.

This is crap, "I look after my cows better" just because I don't like Kiwi or Tesgasc

sheebadog · 21-01-2014 10:50PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yes your right. No bother running a herd of 180 cows that are ho/fr. But they do require more attention than a he or jex, they just get on and graze. But it works too having a small herd of jex too. I'll never go 3 way cross again though. Father did it in the 90s and all we got were cracker jacks of heifers that couldn't be controlled

Explain...

Greengrass1 · 21-01-2014 10:52PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Explain...

Which point?

jaymla627 · 21-01-2014 10:54PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Explain...

If you"ve ever milked a hols/jersey/monty cross you"ll understand, they don't just kick they throw kicks jackie chang would be proud of.....

sheebadog · 21-01-2014 10:54PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Which point?

3 way cross...."cracker jacks"

Greengrass1 · 21-01-2014 10:58PM

sheebadog wrote: »

3 way cross...."cracker jacks"

We had JE/FR/NR cross. Just in controllable in the parlour. Still have some cows here from them first crosses and still saucey when they calve. Had one with milk fever last spring and she was kicking and bucking and she flat out on the ground

sheebadog · 21-01-2014 11:02PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

We had JE/FR/NR cross. Just in controllable in the parlour. Still have some cows here from them first crosses and still saucey when they calve. Had one with milk fever last spring and she was kicking and bucking and she flat out on the ground

Good Lord.

Xbreeds .......it can go right or horribly wrong?

Timmaay · 21-01-2014 11:09PM

I duno I got some fairly crazy pure HOs also ha, they hate being handled at all, need a kicking bar fulltime, always raming up the parlour etc. My dad is alot more tolerant than me towards these ladies which is how we have ended with afew of them. Ya get a slap of a tail in the face/hand kicked etc every bloody milking by them, wrecks my head! I almost got down on my knees and thanked god when 2 of the worst ones scanned empty this year :P

C0N0R · 21-01-2014 11:24PM

Base price wrote: »

OH feeds and finishes dairy cull cows from time to time. However three years ago he bought a batch of JExHF culls from a neighbour, as a favour to get him out of them as he had tried to sell them in the local mart with no avail....
None of them had tails, as in swishes!
All of them were riddled alive with lice. I clipped there backs in order to apply a pour on and it was like a game of snakes and ladders!
I would have more hair on my head then any of them had between them.
Don't get me started on how these animals are looked after!
Unfortunately, we seem to be following the NZ dairy system :mad:

Easy up there, nowhere in the "new zealand system" does it say don't look after your stock, it's the same with any type of cow you will get people who treat them like dirt and you will get people who worship them. No matter what kind of cow you have you still need to look after them.

jaymla627 · 21-01-2014 11:27PM

Timmaay wrote: »

I duno I got some fairly crazy pure HOs also ha, they hate being handled at all, need a kicking bar fulltime, always raming up the parlour etc. My dad is alot more tolerant than me towards these ladies which is how we have ended with afew of them. Ya get a slap of a tail in the face/hand kicked etc every bloody milking by them, wrecks my head! I almost got down on my knees and thanked god when 2 of the worst ones scanned empty this year :P

Would count it as one of the downsides of genomic sires they could be the ideal cow in everyway possible except say on temperament, prefer to see daughter proofs on temperament at least you know what your letting yourself in for.
Noting puts me in badder form then crazy cows

C0N0R · 21-01-2014 11:30PM

As regards ag colleges shouldn't they be teaching it from all different aspects? As no one farm is the same therefore people will use bits and pieces from different styles of farming system. The same with discussion groups, if everyone has exactly the same type farm will anyone actually learn much they can use in their own system.

Damo810 · 21-01-2014 11:34PM

C0N0R wrote: »

As regards ag colleges shouldn't they be teaching it from all different aspects? As no one farm is the same therefore people will use bits and pieces from different styles of farming system. The same with discussion groups, if everyone has exactly the same type farm will anyone actually learn much they can use in their own system.

Some are just like that. I had an ag teacher in school who didn't know the difference between terminal and maternal sires..

freedominacup · 21-01-2014 11:36PM

sheebadog wrote: »

What The Fcuk.

Unclench sheba

sheebadog · 21-01-2014 11:50PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Unclench sheba

OK.... But there are two lady milkers here and I would have concerns ....

The way I look at it tempérament is something I would have taken for granted.
I am seriously looking into xbreedîng Atm.
I have used some Je. Also thinking of using Swiss Browns. But at the expense of tempérament ..... I dont know.....

Mac Taylor · 22-01-2014 12:08AM

Speaking of checking your insurance, the auld lad did a review of our policy and found our double lean two was not covered for storm damage!! You would want eyes on the back of your head when dealing with insurance companies.

freedominacup · 22-01-2014 05:46AM

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Speaking of checking your insurance, the auld lad did a review of our policy and found our double lean two was not covered for storm damage!! You would want eyes on the back of your head when dealing with insurance companies.

A relation had storm damage to a septic tank recently. Insurance assesor measured her house and said to her that she had the house down as less sq ft than it was so she would only be covered for the same % of the damage as her declared sq footage was of the actual. Thing was when she checked her policy she had the correct sq footage on her policy. There's still a good bit of humming and hawing going on as the insurance company don't want to pay out rather they want to just get their own contractor to do the repairs/reinstatement. As Mac said you wouldn't want to go to bed at all to be up before them.

biddy2013 · 22-01-2014 07:28AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Would count it as one of the downsides of genomic sires they could be the ideal cow in everyway possible except say on temperament, prefer to see daughter proofs on temperament at least you know what your letting yourself in for.
Noting puts me in badder form then crazy cows

has anyone got any uph stock? my ones are very nervous, scanning man even said was one of them a uph as he has seen loads of threm and most of them are nervous

mahoney_j · 22-01-2014 08:37AM

biddy2013 wrote: »

has anyone got any uph stock? my ones are very nervous, scanning man even said was one of them a uph as he has seen loads of threm and most of them are nervous

Have a few,lovely cows and once they settle in they are no bother

Conmaicne Mara · 22-01-2014 08:58AM

freedominacup wrote: »

A relation had storm damage to a septic tank recently.

Man back the road from here lost his septic tank to the sea, polytunnel too. Mind you the house was built on the high water mark!

freedominacup · 22-01-2014 09:21AM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Man back the road from here lost his septic tank to the sea, polytunnel too. Mind you the house was built on the high water mark!

It was there I'm telling ya.

grassroot1 · 22-01-2014 12:24PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

If you"ve ever milked a hols/jersey/monty cross you"ll understand, they don't just kick they throw kicks jackie chang would be proud of.....

I used to freeze brand for frs and one guy had Normandy crosses ........ the pain oh sweet !"£$$£ the pain:eek:

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