Carl Froch vs George Groves

T-K-O · 29-11-2013 04:47PM

SRFC wrote: »

Chavez is useless,in pathetic shape aswell when you're struggling to beat Brian Vera you're in trouble,Id love to see Andy Lee get another shot at him.

Agreed, I think some guys are confusing their Chavez's!

gene_tunney · 29-11-2013 05:08PM

darced wrote: »

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Cool vid but means next to nothing. Chavez is a pressure fighter who benefits in the 2nd half of the fight after wearing down his opponent so that clip of him and GGG tapping each other means nothing. If you saw Froch and Groves spar for 6 rounds you would say Froch shouldn't be let in a ring with him, but as we saw in the 2nd half of the fight he got to Groves. Can't compare sparring and the real deal, especially not with pressure fighters.

gene_tunney · 29-11-2013 05:10PM

walshb wrote: »

How can you know how GGG will react when Froch starts landing solid on him?

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Froch doesn't even hit that hard. He wears people down. He is like Vitali without the boxing skills, he gets the stoppage but from an accumulation rather than single shots.

MD1990 · 29-11-2013 05:21PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

People getting slightly carried away with GGG i think, if he was to fight Froch there would be a substantial size difference between the two and Froch would be able to land easily on GGG too. Froch is also an excellent finisher who excels in the later rounds.

With Froch being so incredibly durable already combine that with the weight advantage and I dont think its as clear cut as you might think.

GGG has incredible power
look what he did to Macklin
Froch's power is overated too

walshb · 29-11-2013 05:30PM

MD1990 wrote: »

GGG has incredible power
look what he did to Macklin
Froch's power is overated too

Therein lies the problem. It was Macklin he did it too.

walshb · 29-11-2013 05:32PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

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Froch doesn't even hit that hard. He wears people down. He is like Vitali without the boxing skills, he gets the stoppage but from an accumulation rather than single shots.

He still has above average power. He hurts when he lands clean, and against a smaller man that is the problem for the smaller man. I am not saying that GGG cannot rise to SMW and be strong and tough and capable. I am simply saying that he has done nothing yet to show me.

Jimmymcnulty86 · 29-11-2013 05:32PM

The fights repeated on skysports1 tonight for anybody that missed it. Record it nd rewind Froch getting put down in the first a few times guaranteed to cheer u up if having a bad day. Still not as good as khan getting knocked out by Prescott a few years back though

walshb · 29-11-2013 05:33PM

MD1990 wrote: »

GGG has incredible power
look what he did to Macklin
Froch's power is overated too

I don't recall many, if any rating Froch as some sort of dynamite puncher.

darced · 29-11-2013 06:01PM

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Frankie Lee · 29-11-2013 06:37PM

People talk about GGG being easy to hit but he has never been put down in nearly 400 bouts, I think he is willing to be hit to get to his opponent. His power will be less at SMW but apart from Ward there is nobody in the division I'd fancy against him.

gene_tunney · 29-11-2013 07:18PM

darced wrote: »

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I agree it does expose what might happen in the early going. Thanks for the vid.

gene_tunney · 29-11-2013 07:19PM

Also the talk of GGG moving up is premature IMO. Martinez has faded and Chavez put in some poor performances but he still has to beat them to be considered the best at 160.

willmunny1990 · 29-11-2013 07:27PM

GGG is set scheduled to fight on february 1st. Any indication or rumors as to who it might be against?

Henno30 · 29-11-2013 08:11PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

Also the talk of GGG moving up is premature IMO. Martinez has faded and Chavez put in some poor performances but he still has to beat them to be considered the best at 160.

Chavez Jr isn't going back to 160 as far as I know.

supersean1999 · 29-11-2013 08:21PM

It's hard to respect one thing Froch has ever said or done if he does not fight groves in a big outdoor arena to a crowd of 30000 plus. All the fans at the fight . all the pundits want it. Groves wants it. Sky I'm sure want it. Either mc cracken has had a word in his ear to advice him to go after a easier fight against a mw. Or Froch knows or is afraid to lose AGAIN to a 25 yr old who had only fought one fringe world class fighter. We await your decision Carl

supersean1999 · 29-11-2013 08:35PM

It's hard to respect one thing Froch has ever said or done if he does not fight groves in a big outdoor arena to a crowd of 30000 plus. All the fans at the fight . all the pundits want it. Groves wants it. Sky I'm sure want it. Either mc cracken has had a word in his ear to advice him to go after a easier fight against a mw. Or Froch knows or is afraid to lose AGAIN to a 25 yr old who had only fought one fringe world class fighter. We await your decision Carl

megadodge · 29-11-2013 08:38PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

It's hard to respect one thing Froch has ever said or done if he does not fight groves in a big outdoor arena to a crowd of 30000 plus. All the fans at the fight . all the pundits want it. Groves wants it. Sky I'm sure want it. Either mc cracken has had a word in his ear to advice him to go after a easier fight against a mw. Or Froch knows or is afraid to lose AGAIN to a 25 yr old who had only fought one fringe world class fighter. We await your decision Carl

When exactly are you expecting this decision?
They only fought a few days ago FFS!!!

supersean1999 · 29-11-2013 08:49PM

megadodge wrote: »

When exactly are you expecting this decision?
They only fought a few days ago FFS!!!

Well the interview with BBC saying he wants to fight in Vegas and groves blew his chance. Has slightly led me to believe he might has second thoughts. Or did you not pick up on that

T-K-O · 29-11-2013 08:51PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

It's hard to respect one thing Froch has ever said or done if he does not fight groves in a big outdoor arena to a crowd of 30000 plus. All the fans at the fight . all the pundits want it. Groves wants it. Sky I'm sure want it. Either mc cracken has had a word in his ear to advice him to go after a easier fight against a mw. Or Froch knows or is afraid to lose AGAIN to a 25 yr old who had only fought one fringe world class fighter. We await your decision Carl

Rematch or not, Carl has fought the best guys in his division. His legacy will not change over this one controversial fight. Sure I'd love to see the RE but at this stage of his career you cannot blame the guy fighting Chavez and checking out.

Carl is coming to the end and obviously knows it.

If that is his plan, What he should do is stop talking up the win (Groves) and move on.

29-11-2013 08:56PM

The fight was just on Sky and it's even worse watching it as-live. The second-last punch that landed was on Froch's face, then he landed one and the referee jumps in.

clubwelly · 29-11-2013 08:57PM

The more I watch the stoppage the more I think that 2 more punches later and Groves was gone.

I think Carl's a legend, but Groves nearly had all the right tactics from being clever with the head, holding Frochs arms at time which both frustrated the hell outa Carl.

I'd love to see the rematch but I can understand Froch wanting a big US payday of Chavez Jnr or Ward 2

walshb · 29-11-2013 09:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The fight was just on Sky and it's even worse watching it as-live. The second-last punch that landed was on Froch's face, then he landed one and the referee jumps in.

Yes, and you have the luxury of analysing it over and over. A referee does not. He is there in the moment making a split second decision based on what he sees right in front of his eyes.

walshb · 29-11-2013 09:03PM

clubwelly wrote: »

The more I watch the stoppage the more I think that 2 more punches later and Groves was gone.

I kind of agree. I think Froch deserves more credit. He seems to be getting slated because folks think he got lucky. He didn't get lucky. He stuck in there and got back into a fight he was losing, turned it around, opened up, hurt his opponent to the point where the referee feel that his opponent was in serious trouble. The rest is all speculation.

wadacrack · 29-11-2013 09:05PM

clubwelly wrote: »

The more I watch the stoppage the more I think that 2 more punches later and Groves was gone.

I think Carl's a legend, but Groves nearly had all the right tactics from being clever with the head, holding Frochs arms at time which both frustrated the hell outa Carl.

I'd love to see the rematch but I can understand Froch wanting a big US payday of Chavez Jnr or Ward 2

Froch Groves two would be huge economically I would imagine.Ward is not that popular in the States. If Froch wants to cement his legacy he should fight Groves again. Froch often said that himself and Kessler are "true warriors". Well Kessler gave Froch his rematch If Froch is the warrior he claims he is.He should give Groves the rematch. I dont see it happening unfortunately

29-11-2013 09:08PM

walshb wrote: »

Yes, and you have the luxury of analysing it over and over. A referee does not. He is there in the moment making a split second decision based on what he sees right in front of his eyes.

Well done but that's not what I was getting at all, but then you know that, you're just being obtuse. I saw the stoppage in isolation a few times and it looked bad enough. Seeing it with the build-up is even worse.
But hey, if you want to stick with "the referee did what he did, therefore it was right" line then go right ahead.

T-K-O · 29-11-2013 09:11PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Froch Groves two would be huge economically I would imagine.Ward is not that popular in the States. If Froch wants to cement his legacy he should fight Groves again. Froch often said that himself and Kessler are "true warriors". Well Kessler gave Froch his rematch If Froch is the warrior he claims he is.He should give Groves the rematch. I dont see it happening unfortunately

Regardless of his age and obvious decline? When is enough, enough? There will always be one more fight, the next kid on the block.

Remember, Carl did what Calazghae and Collins before him failed to do. He must be commended for that.

supersean1999 · 29-11-2013 09:17PM

I won't be fooled.I Think Froch is awfully overrated. personality wise he makes my blood boil . So I find it hard to rate him as a boxer but the more I see him. And judge him im more convinced that he is just overrated bigtime. He has done ok for a man who lacks basic boxing skills.but His record is padded by dodgy decisions .you guys complain about sky hype jobs but a lot of you guys have been scammed. Id love to see him box . hopkins ggg then ward and see how he would fare out.

T-K-O · 29-11-2013 09:20PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

I won't be fooled.I Think Froch is awfully overrated. personality wise he makes my blood boil . So I find it hard to rate him as a boxer but the more I see him. And judge him im more convinced that he is just overrated bigtime. He has done ok for a man who lacks basic boxing skills.but His record is padded by dodgy decisions .you guys complain about sky hype jobs but a lot of you guys have been scammed. Id love to see him box . hopkins ggg then ward and see how he would fare out.

You lost me at 'His record is padded by dodgy decisions'

supersean1999 · 29-11-2013 09:21PM

T-K-O wrote: »

Regardless of his age and obvious decline? When is enough, enough? There will always be one more fight, the next kid on the block.

Remember, Carl did what Calazghae and Collins before him failed to do. He must be commended for that.

Calzaghe moved up a weight and fought hopkins. Clearly a harder fight than Froch. Collins retired. . What's your point

T-K-O · 29-11-2013 09:23PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

Calzaghe moved up a weight and fought hopkins. Clearly a harder fight than Froch. Collins retired. . What's your point

So did calzaghe then avoid Dawson? What if Carl retires?

'personality wise he makes my blood boil'

You're not thinking straight.

Carl Froch vs George Groves

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