Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 mod warning post#7259

Dicky Pride · 19-10-2013 04:02PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Some fans never fail to embarrass themselves.

I've been saying it since the moment he was hired. It's the same as any other profession, he has proven that he is out of his depth...the more time we give him, the more damage he is going to do to Manchester United Football Club. If you think this opinion is embarrassing, then I'd love to hear yours. "Give him a chance to turn around." He's no Arsene Wenger, that's for sure.

Same question I have asked in the past, all the people that are saying he deserves more time...what are you basing this on? How does winning zero trophies with everton make him a good manager...or, worse than that, how does it make him qualified for what was the biggest job in football?

Unearthly · 19-10-2013 04:02PM

We are comfortably out of the title picture. Not only because of the points gap but also because of the performances.

And this is a team that won 5 out of last 7 prems, losing the other 2 by a single point, and a last second Aguero goal.

Hank Scorpio · 19-10-2013 04:03PM

Why is Ryan Giggs still getting game time , he can barely complete a pass anymore meanwhile a huge creative influence like Kagawa rots on the bench. WellBeck isn't fit to lace Hernandez's boots either

Rayne Wooney · 19-10-2013 04:03PM

Van Persie was our league winner last season, and it looks like Ozil could be Arsenal's this season

You never turn down that kind of quality, especially if you class yourself as one if the biggest clubs

Dicky Pride · 19-10-2013 04:04PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I only got to listen to the second half on the radio, Today Fm. The commentators were not all that complimentary about United, it appears to have been another lifeless performance where we couldn't string five passes together, would that be right?

I have to admit, it was very depressing to hear the commentator read out the subs bench, naming Zaha and Kagawa, then a few minutes later they announce a sub coming on, and the sub is...Ryan Giggs. :rolleyes:

I'd love to hear Moyes' reasoning behind his substitutions all season, because from where I am sitting they have been universally dreadful.

He doesn't give any explanations for anything. He doesn't think he needs to.

J. Marston · 19-10-2013 04:04PM

I wonder if he'll moan about the fixture list again.

4 points from West Brom (H), Sunderland (A) and Southampton (H).

edgecutter · 19-10-2013 04:04PM

Moyes needs to carry the can. Gutless, moronic and negative tactics cost us today.

Well done to the Saints battling to the end.

Ordinary man · 19-10-2013 04:05PM

Moyes isn't making it easy to give him full confidence. As many have said the subs were shockingly defensive. He seems to be so worried about defending a lead that his subs just invite the opposition to pin them back. I could understand giggs for fellaini(considering there are no other options for midfield) but having genuine game changers like hernandez and kagawa on the bench and refusing to use them is just stupid

tallaghtmick · 19-10-2013 04:05PM

Hes clueless and out of his depth, he better get us champs league football then **** off and let someone who knows how to manage a big club take over.

Team in transition, no ask me bollox too many united fans doing this at the moment.

How Soon Is Now · 19-10-2013 04:06PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Van Persie was our league winner last season, and it looks like Ozil could be Arsenal's this season

You never turn down that kind of quality, especially if you class yourself as one if the biggest clubs

Hes went straight in there and been faultless right from the off.

We needed something like that and we did nothing.

Id understand it if he played Kagawa but at this stage the sooner he leaves the better. If it continues this way having him there on the bench every week and ignoring him is just embarrassing for the football club more then anything.

He could be a huge player for us hes not been given the chance and Moyes is running out of excuses at this stage.

Lord TSC · 19-10-2013 04:07PM

Hernandez and Kagawa must be wondering what the hell they have to do, and how bad others have to play, before they even get a few minutes as a sub in a game.

I just worry that they'll be offloaded before things change....and something needs to change somewhere. Not saying "Moyes Out!" but there needs to be a drastic ****ing change in his philosophy, and the change was needed weeks ago...

kona · 19-10-2013 04:07PM

J. Marston wrote: »

I wonder if he'll moan about the fixture list again.

4 points from West Brom (H), Sunderland (A) and Southampton (H).

just about 4 points, got out of jail V sunderland.

Cantona's Collars · 19-10-2013 04:08PM

Story of our season,play ok in patches but overall nothing to cheer about.Nani was doing ok & he was subbed.Took off Rooney who looked most likely to create something.Wellbeck looked like a drunk Bambi on ice when he came on-if anybody says "but he holds the ball up and links up play" to me I'll hit them.He's the only striker I know who seems to get a free pass despite not scoring goals which is his job.
I don't know what to make of the subs at all,clinging onto a lead against Southampton

Yes they are on a decent run & playing well but they're no Bayern Munich.

Mikeyt086 · 19-10-2013 04:08PM

The players are to blame. They can't defend a ****ing corner. We clear that corner and everyone is talking about what a good result it was.

OctavarIan · 19-10-2013 04:09PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

Moyes isn't making it easy to give him full confidence. As many have said the subs were shockingly defensive. He seems to be so worried about defending a lead that his subs just invite the opposition to pin them back. I could understand giggs for fellaini(considering there are no other options for midfield) but having genuine game changers like hernandez and kagawa on the bench and refusing to use them is just stupid

I feel the same way. Will always be behind the team but finding it harder and harder to be behind Moyes. Very unassertive, overcautious and negative, all at Old Trafford against a team who were struggling to create chances. Southampton were pressing and nipping, catching out the slower players, so he brings on Giggs and Smalling. Strange.

J. Marston · 19-10-2013 04:09PM

Here's another great stat, 1 win in 4 home league games.

Your Airbag · 19-10-2013 04:10PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No seriously its becoming a joke he is clearly out of his depth as a manager at this level.

Hes making changes to the team that make no bloody sense at all.

You cant tell anything about him until he gets a season. I agree his substitutions were poor but he does not need to be sacked. (A) Because he needs time, which we all knew, and we are yet to see can he turn it around. (B) We are not a Chelsea or Man City revolving door club and nor would I want us to be. It can unsettle players too.

Dicky Pride wrote: »

I've been saying it since the moment he was hired.

Even more embarrassing. You wanted him gone before he even statred.

Headshot · 19-10-2013 04:10PM

Imagine the league title is already over in October and we are fighting for CL qualification. We have turned into Arsenal. Im not sure to laugh or cry

Lord TSC · 19-10-2013 04:10PM

I swear, if someone starts a "We can't be like Chelsea" debate, I'll swing at them...

EDIT: Too late...really hate that arguement

How Soon Is Now · 19-10-2013 04:11PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

The players are to blame. They can't defend a ****ing corner. We clear that corner and everyone is talking about what a good result it was.

We brought the pressure on us by making stupid subs. You could see it all happening as soon as he took off Nani that was more or less a clear message ya where done lets hold out for a 1-0.

Jesus we could of had at least 3 or 4 today and should of won that game comfortably not let them back into the game.

Rayne Wooney · 19-10-2013 04:11PM

Tactics are getting a lot more sophisticated, successful teams generally have a manager who can adapt and change at a moments notice.

Is Moyes capable of that?

It looked like Pochettino had Moyes' number today with inferior players, do we give Pochettino a shot at the job?

mike65 · 19-10-2013 04:11PM

Welcome to your Roy Hodgson period. Sometimes you just know in a very deep way that a manager is not going to know how to steer a club that is above his pay grade. Just as Hodgson (with an inferior squad) quite wilfully, knowingly reduced Liverpools style of play to the bare bones of defend then hit and hope. It didn't even work on those terms as the players reacted against the whole attitude being put forward by Hodgson.

Moyes is likewise reducing Manchester Utd, looking to make the side "solid" so completely missing what makes Utd strong and winners. You take control of the game and force the opposition to adapt/cope, not the other way round.

Everton was his ceiling and of course the joke is that they are arguably flourishing all the better with Martinez.

jaykay74 · 19-10-2013 04:12PM

1/ I had no idea at the time why Moyes was appointed
2/ Still have no idea today based on his few months in charge.
3/ To keep me on board he needs 4th minimum this season.

ronjo · 19-10-2013 04:12PM

Headshot wrote: »

Imagine the league title is already over in October and we are fighting for CL qualification. We have turned into Arsenal. Im not sure to laugh or cry

Check out the table

OctavarIan · 19-10-2013 04:13PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

The players are to blame. They can't defend a ****ing corner. We clear that corner and everyone is talking about what a good result it was.

This too, the lack of confidence/form seems to be infecting the whole team. Not sure if it's the negative/static tactics or something else.

Headshot · 19-10-2013 04:13PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

You cant tell anything about him until he gets a season. I agree his substitutions were poor but he does not need to be sacked. (A) Because he needs time, which we all knew, and we are yet to see can he turn it around. (B) We are not a Chelsea or Man City revolving door club and nor would I want us to be. It can unsettle players too.

Even more embarrassing. You wanted him gone before he even statred.

Not embarrassing at all. I never wanted him near my club. Why should a manager that done **** all in his career get one of the biggest jobs in soccer?

PhlegmyMoses · 19-10-2013 04:14PM

Headshot wrote: »

You know I thought Southampton were the home team today, it was that bad. They really deserve to draw the match but its embarrassing, utd PL champions going negative against Southampton, come on

Southampton created nothing. Moyes only has himself to blame. Set us up well until 70 minutes, then we sat back deeper when he started to make negative substitutions. We can be simplistic and say that if we defend that corner we get a good result, but a bit of positivity in the susbtituations and we could have been going for the kill, rather than hanging on.

Nolars · 19-10-2013 04:15PM

Headshot wrote: »

Not embarrassing at all. I never wanted him near my club. Why should a manager that done **** all in his career get one of the biggest jobs in soccer?

Because Fergie made the decision and that should never have happened.

Your Airbag · 19-10-2013 04:15PM

Headshot wrote: »

Imagine the league title is already over in October and we are fighting for CL qualification. We have turned into Arsenal. Im not sure to laugh or cry

We are 8 points off top and four off 4th place. Fighting for a UCL spot? What rubbish.

The knee jerk fans really show them selves up. The word spoilt springs to mind.

How Soon Is Now · 19-10-2013 04:16PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

You cant tell anything about him until he gets a season. I agree his substitutions were poor but he does not need to be sacked. (A) Because he needs time, which we all knew, and we are yet to see can he turn it around. (B) We are not a Chelsea or Man City revolving door club and nor would I want us to be. It can unsettle players too.

Even more embarrassing. You wanted him gone before he even statred.

I swear at start the season i told myself ok i hope he does well maybe he will be what the club needs some fresh ideas etc.

He actually started to show this could be possible in pre season.

But he has gone backwards and is even worse then Fergie was for making stupid stubborn choices.

How is any fan at this club meant to have faith in a manager when he takes a premier league winning team and slowing but surely pushs them back!.

He makes the most stupid choices and shuts up shop in games when we should be killing the other team off. Its cost us against West Brom and now again today.

Really u cant blame anyone else. There are players at that club that could change games bring some energy to the team when its needed but hes ignoring them and at this stage its as if hes doing it just to say **** yous ill do it my way u either like it or lump it!.

I just dont understand the sense in not playing Kagawa Hernandez or even Zaha.

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