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Ambulances being sent to the wrong places

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  • #62
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Bang Bang wrote: »
    ... Perhaps you should educate yourself in how the Ambulance Service works before you come on here attacking those who work in it.

    ... technical insider stuff deleted ...

    The attitude by some subscribers of 'just get the ambulance here with none of your questions' type of attitude may actually delay appropriate care.
    I see; so it's the fault of Sean & Sheila Citizen that the ambulance service "sorta works, summa the time" and it seems in your eyes they should not voice their criticisms. The deficiencies in the system are the fault of the innocent bystanders' lack of paramedical diagnostic / treatment skills and lack of knowledge on how the system works.

    As an aside, if an innocent, untrained bystander undertakes the role of "first responder in situ", does this help improve the ambulance service's response-time metrics?


  • #63
    irishrgr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭irishrgr


    Hi all,

    A bit late to this, was away for a bit. We always struggled with rural (and some city) address for years. The State legislated that every local authority must generate a street address for all residents according to a standard convention, and that street signs must be posted (green for public streets, red for private streets). They also mandated that telephone companies provide digital address data to the 911 system. You dial 911, the address pops up to the controller. Now all emergency services have a street address and a standard way to obtain it.

    With the advent of wireless devices and VOIP phones, the law was ammended to require any mobile that dials 911 provide GPS coordiantes to the 911 system. Software converts the GPS coordiante to a physical address (IE 3620 Est 14th St) based on proximity. Now there is no confusion even with a caller who is lost, from out of town or doesn't even speak the language. Our system also has Mobile Data Centers in all responding vehicles (police, fire & EMS), when call is dispatched, unit gets the physical address and the terminal gives you turn by turn directions on how to get there. No ambugity...terminal also gives updated call info based on what 911 receives. Even rural services without the terminal sstill have a controller who has a real address.

    This was funded by a two dollar/month tax on phone & mobile bills, a relatively modest price to pay for safety. It's a crime that Ireland, in the 21st century is still relying on "turn left past the roundabout, up the hill and I'm down the lane by the yellow house". There is really no excuse for it, but, as with all things, unless it's a legislative priority, the crews (doing the best they can with the info they have) will bear the brunt of the abuse ("what took you so long?")....


  • #64
    Bang Bang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Bang Bang


    Capri wrote: »
    BB ( I got the feeling he was waiting for 'untrained paramedic', me, to assess her injuries before dispatching an ambulance )

    'I got the feeling' is what I said by the way the telephonist asked me the question - If he'd said 'There's an ambulance on the way' first then it might have sounded better (- to the layman, who's not interested in 'Paramedic' 'Advanced Paramedic' or any other title other than AMBULANCE )

    Capri wrote: »
    I told him I'D done my part, up to him to decide to dispatch and ambulance or not

    :rolleyes:


  • #65
    Bang Bang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Bang Bang


    mathepac wrote: »
    I see; so it's the fault of Sean & Sheila Citizen that the ambulance service "sorta works, summa the time" and it seems in your eyes they should not voice their criticisms. The deficiencies in the system are the fault of the innocent bystanders' lack of paramedical diagnostic / treatment skills and lack of knowledge on how the system works.

    As an aside, if an innocent, untrained bystander undertakes the role of "first responder in situ", does this help improve the ambulance service's response-time metrics?

    My response to Capri was nothing to do with the response times of an ambulance but for some reason you decide to bring it into 'it'.
    Why?

    Emergency Medical Controllers are highly trained professionals who use the Advanced Medical Priority Dispatch System (AMPDS) to draw information and give advice to the untrained layperson. I have explained this already but you either did not read my post fully or you conveniently left my explanation of the AMPDS out of my text that you quoted.


  • #66
    Bang Bang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Bang Bang


    Here's a link to the basics when dialling 999 or 112 for the Emergency Services.

    http://www.112.ie/What_happens_/128#.UdFv_xYhS05


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  • #67
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Bang Bang wrote: »
    My response to Capri was nothing to do with the response times of an ambulance but for some reason you decide to bring it into 'it'.
    Why? ...
    If I ask a question it is because I am seeking information I don't already have.
    Bang Bang wrote: »
    ... Emergency Medical Controllers are highly trained professionals who use the Advanced Medical Priority Dispatch System (AMPDS) to draw information and give advice to the untrained layperson. I have explained this already but you either did not read my post fully or you conveniently left my explanation of the AMPDS out of my text that you quoted.
    All that stuff is just annoying background noise. What a guy in a cosy control room can and can't do and what training in whatever esoteric techniques he's had is irrelevant if he can't get the right ambulance to the right patient at the requested location expeditiously.

    Have a look at the thread topic again. It says Ambulances being sent to the wrong places not by members of the public but by these highly trained controllers. IMHO the real skills they need are listening, direction / note-taking and crew-guidance. Once that's achieved they can practice A Meaningless Poetry Discussion Session or other public service MLA in their own sweet time.


  • #68
    Gestalt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Gestalt


    The attitude of some people is disgusting! They think it's ok to speak to another person, in particular a person working for the Emergency Services with total disrespect and it's ok to give constant criticism without knowing the facts also!

    Did it ever occur to some of you that one day it may be your life or the life of a loved one that is going to rely on an Emergency Medical Controller who will obtain vital information to pass to the responding crew, who will give the person at the scene instructions which could be life saving, who will know the difference between the clinical care level of the Paramedic and Advanced Paramedic very quickly when they are administered morphine for pain relief or intubated at the side of road way to maintain their airway.. etc..


  • #69
    Bang Bang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Bang Bang


    mathepac wrote: »
    All that stuff is just annoying background noise.

    What an attitude to have:rolleyes:

    As for the rest of your post, perhaps you should click on the link I posted in post number 66 and give it a good read;)


  • #70
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Gestalt wrote: »
    The attitude of some people is disgusting! They think it's ok to speak to another person, in particular a person working for the Emergency Services with total disrespect and it's ok to give constant criticism without knowing the facts also! ..
    Bolding is mine. As a former Health Board / HSE employee I do know the facts, so your outraged comments go straight over my head, unnecessary exclamation marks and all.

    BTW if you believe I have displayed "total disrespect" to specific poster / posters with my comments, please contact the moderators about it. I think you'll find any comments I made are directed at post content, not at people.
    Gestalt wrote: »
    ....
    Did it ever occur to some of you that one day it may be your life or the life of a loved one that is going to rely on an Emergency Medical Controller who will obtain vital information to pass to the responding crew, who will give the person at the scene instructions which could be life saving, who will know the difference between the clinical care level of the Paramedic and Advanced Paramedic very quickly when they are administered morphine for pain relief or intubated at the side of road way to maintain their airway.. etc..
    You obviously missed my first post in the thread where I was the first responder and gave specific detailed location information to a controller who ignored it and rang me back to dispute it. Never, I repeat, NEVER did the controller offer me any medical advice or question me as to the nature of the illness the patient was suffering from. I volunteered the information "heart-attack" and although I lack specific medical diagnostic skills, this proved accurate. When I repeated that an ambulance from Nenagh should be dispatched, the controller again ignored me and sent an ambulance from the far side of Limerick at approximately 5:00 pm.


  • #71
    Gestalt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Gestalt


    mathepac wrote: »
    Bolding is mine. As a former Health Board / HSE employee I do know the facts, so your outraged comments go straight over my head, unnecessary exclamation marks and all.

    BTW if you believe I have displayed "total disrespect" to specific poster / posters with my comments, please contact the moderators about it. I think you'll find any comments I made are directed at post content, not at people.

    You obviously missed my first post in the thread where I was the first responder and gave specific detailed location information to a controller who ignored it and rang me back to dispute it. Never, I repeat, NEVER did the controller offer me any medical advice or question me as to the nature of the illness the patient was suffering from. I volunteered the information "heart-attack" and although I lack specific medical diagnostic skills, this proved accurate. When I repeated that an ambulance from Nenagh should be dispatched, the controller again ignored me and sent an ambulance from the far side of Limerick at approximately 5:00 pm.

    Being a former Health Board / HSE Employee does not excuse your ignorance and you clearly do not know the facts or have any understanding of how the service works!! (I put in an extra unnecessary exclamation mark just for you)

    I won't bother highlighting all the inaccuracies in your posts but I would like to point out when you repeated that an ambulance from Nenagh should be dispatched as quoted above, did it not occur to you that maybe that ambulance was already on another call and that the nearest available was located the far side of Limerick which by the way this area is not controlled by the Dublin Control Centre as you stated in post 28, one of your factual incorrect facts.


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  • #72
    Gestalt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Gestalt


    mathepac wrote: »
    I can give a first-hand example where an elderly man died on the street outside McKeogh's Supermarket in Ballina, Co. Tipperary because centralised ambulance control in Dublin
    1. disputed the fact that there was a Ballina in Co. Tipperary
    2. couldn't decide whether an ambulance from Nenagh or Limerick (or even Ennis) would get there quickest
    3. as I was trying to administer CPR to the dying man they kept ringing me back for more information.
    A local control centre would have been on the case immediately, understood the geography, distances, traffic flows at the time of day and so on and would certainly have known better than to try to talk to the solo attender at the scene. Two wonderful off-duty nurses and a local doctor eventually joined me, but the man's family rang me next day to say he had died.

    I understand that an ambulance from Limerick was eventually dispatched, Limerick at 5:00pm being the wrong ambulance centre to pick.

    In fact I very much doubt there is anything factual in this post. Sounds completely fabricated to me.


  • #73
    lighterman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭lighterman


    mathepac wrote: »
    I can give a first-hand example where an elderly man died on the street outside McKeogh's Supermarket in Ballina, Co. Tipperary because centralised ambulance control in Dublin
    1. disputed the fact that there was a Ballina in Co. Tipperary
    2. couldn't decide whether an ambulance from Nenagh or Limerick (or even Ennis) would get there quickest
    3. as I was trying to administer CPR to the dying man they kept ringing me back for more information.
    A local control centre would have been on the case immediately, understood the geography, distances, traffic flows at the time of day and so on and would certainly have known better than to try to talk to the solo attender at the scene. Two wonderful off-duty nurses and a local doctor eventually joined me, but the man's family rang me next day to say he had died.

    I understand that an ambulance from Limerick was eventually dispatched, Limerick at 5:00pm being the wrong ambulance centre to pick.

    If this is true he probably died from the poision coming from your mouth.


  • #74
    paraletic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭paraletic


    Gestalt wrote: »
    In fact I very much doubt there is anything factual in this post. Sounds completely fabricated to me.

    I can't agree more.
    In fact, for the last few days I have been reading this thread just to see what mathapac says next!!!!

    He's either a troll or very angry. I think angry because he refuses to take the other posters views on board.

    Limerick control centre would have dispatched the ambulance, not a "central" control.

    Controller are skilled proffesionals but still need information to work.
    They aren't telepathic!
    So when they ask for information don't get offended and just tell them.
    If you are doing CPR then they need to get info and give advice, don't be upset that they are trying to contact you. Just put them on speaker phone. (and don't hang up)

    There may have been no ambulance in nenagh.

    Although I still think his story is full of exagerations or it's complete lies!!


  • #75
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Gestalt wrote: »
    Being a former Health Board / HSE Employee does not excuse your ignorance and you clearly do not know the facts or have any understanding of how the service works!! (I put in an extra unnecessary exclamation mark just for you)

    I won't bother highlighting all the inaccuracies in your posts but I would like to point out when you repeated that an ambulance from Nenagh should be dispatched as quoted above, did it not occur to you that maybe that ambulance was already on another call and that the nearest available was located the far side of Limerick which by the way this area is not controlled by the Dublin Control Centre as you stated in post 28, one of your factual incorrect facts.
    I'm not sure if you refer to my lack of in-depth knowledge of central ambulance control procedures or training (I really couldn't care less) or something else, bur I know the facts of what happened on that day in Ballina, and as I have already stated "central ambulance control" or what ever it's called and where-ever it's located is what was at fault.

    Please be my guest, high-light for me the inaccuracies in my description of what happened that day in Ballina and feel free to come up with an alternative to my suggestion for cooperation between ESB, local authorities and central ambulance control to improve response times and reduce the number of lost ambulances.


  • #76
    Tango Alpha 51
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭Tango Alpha 51


    Furnish a date. You can do so via pm if you want. Ill play back the tapes in the Limerick Control room then!. Ballina is routinely covered by Limerick City crews if Scarriff not Nenagh are out on a call. In fact Nenagh rarely cover the Ballina area.


  • #77
    Gestalt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Gestalt


    mathepac wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you refer to my lack of in-depth knowledge of central ambulance control procedures or training (I really couldn't care less) or something else, bur I know the facts of what happened on that day in Ballina, and as I have already stated "central ambulance control" or what ever it's called and where-ever it's located is what was at fault.

    Please be my guest, high-light for me the inaccuracies in my description of what happened that day in Ballina and feel free to come up with an alternative to my suggestion for cooperation between ESB, local authorities and central ambulance control to improve response times and reduce the number of lost ambulances.

    I find your reply now to be rather childish and amusing and I won't be wasting my precious time correcting the false information you are posting so that you can change your story until it seems plausible.

    Why get involved in a discussion when you don't know what you're talking about.


  • #78
    Bang Bang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Bang Bang


    mathepac wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you refer to my lack of in-depth knowledge of central ambulance control procedures or training (I really couldn't care less) or something else, bur I know the facts of what happened on that day in Ballina, and as I have already stated "central ambulance control" or what ever it's called and where-ever it's located is what was at fault.

    Please be my guest, high-light for me the inaccuracies in my description of what happened that day in Ballina and feel free to come up with an alternative to my suggestion for cooperation between ESB, local authorities and central ambulance control to improve response times and reduce the number of lost ambulances.

    Just for you mathepac I will paste below my post from this thread, post number 15. These are the reasons, mostly from paragraph 3 down, along with not following the basics of the details in the link I posted in post number 66, the basics of which are prompted by the EMC, are the reasons for delayed response and 'lost ambulances", along with the fact that the Ambulance Service can actually be hugely busy at times, serious traffic incidents can use up all remaining resources so ambulances may have to respond from outside the immediate jurisdiction. So you can fling all the mud you want, it doesn't take away the fact that you are so factually incorrect throughout your input into this topic.

    Copy of my post, post number 15.

    "I have to add that a lot of media out there, tabloids and others are always ready to jump on the bandwagon and blame the HSE and the National Ambulance Service when there are delays in an ambulance reaching a scene. I have even seen Emergency Medical Controller/Dispatchers (EMC/EMD) come under attack too from news media because of this.

    Yes certain types of post coding will help, maybe the installation of sat nav devices in ambulances but there are other factors which add to the delay in an ambulance arriving at a scene/home or business address.

    Many times a caller, stricken with emotion dials 999 or 112, asks for an ambulance then hangs up without giving a location. The EMC tries and tries to call them back but often to no avail. They will liaise with BT to try pinpoint where the call came from, all adding to the delay.

    Lack of names on newly built housing schemes. Many schemes built during the 'boom' times carry no names on the entry to the estate. Apartment block complexes can be a nightmare to locate the correct apartment.

    People not having numbers on their doors, yes it's very common and a huge problem for the emergency services.

    People blocking street name signs by parking their car or wheelie bin in front of it.

    Vandalism, a large number of not so affluent areas have an element of vandal that feel they need to deface and destroy the street names in their area.

    And last but by no means least, the use of ambulances as 'taxis' or a the myth that you will be seen quicker, trust me you won't be seen quicker if you arrive in the Emergency Department by ambulance if it's a minor problem. So when calling an ambulance for a minor ailment ask first if your problem can be sorted by your GP or doctor on call service or can you make your own way or can somebody drive you to the ED to be seen.

    One ambulance tied up with a minor problem is one ambulance less to respond to a major life threatening illness or injury."


  • #79
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Bang Bang wrote: »
    Just for you mathepac I will paste below my post from this thread, post number 15. These are the reasons, mostly from paragraph 3 down, along with not following the basics of the details in the link I posted in post number 66, the basics of which are prompted by the EMC, are the reasons for delayed response and 'lost ambulances", along with the fact that the Ambulance Service can actually be hugely busy at times, serious traffic incidents can use up all remaining resources so ambulances may have to respond from outside the immediate jurisdiction. So you can fling all the mud you want, it doesn't take away the fact that you are so factually incorrect throughout your input into this topic.

    Copy of my post, post number 15.

    "I have to add that a lot of media out there, tabloids and others are always ready to jump on the bandwagon and blame the HSE and the National Ambulance Service when there are delays in an ambulance reaching a scene. I have even seen Emergency Medical Controller/Dispatchers (EMC/EMD) come under attack too from news media because of this.

    Yes certain types of post coding will help, maybe the installation of sat nav devices in ambulances but there are other factors which add to the delay in an ambulance arriving at a scene/home or business address.

    Many times a caller, stricken with emotion dials 999 or 112, asks for an ambulance then hangs up without giving a location. The EMC tries and tries to call them back but often to no avail. They will liaise with BT to try pinpoint where the call came from, all adding to the delay.

    Lack of names on newly built housing schemes. Many schemes built during the 'boom' times carry no names on the entry to the estate. Apartment block complexes can be a nightmare to locate the correct apartment.

    People not having numbers on their doors, yes it's very common and a huge problem for the emergency services.

    People blocking street name signs by parking their car or wheelie bin in front of it.

    Vandalism, a large number of not so affluent areas have an element of vandal that feel they need to deface and destroy the street names in their area.

    And last but by no means least, the use of ambulances as 'taxis' or a the myth that you will be seen quicker, trust me you won't be seen quicker if you arrive in the Emergency Department by ambulance if it's a minor problem. So when calling an ambulance for a minor ailment ask first if your problem can be sorted by your GP or doctor on call service or can you make your own way or can somebody drive you to the ED to be seen.

    One ambulance tied up with a minor problem is one ambulance less to respond to a major life threatening illness or injury."

    Well in fairness - the Ambulance service does have its issues - so its not exactly surprising given the nature of Ambulance service work - that failures will make the newspapers.

    But... in all fairness I can see the point your making - and I always feel when reading yet another "Ambulance Service issue story" that im not always getting the full story.

    For example it isn't the Ambulance Services fault if Ambulances are delayed in a hospital because the patient can't be handed over to hospital staff. Yet any resulting failure is seen as an Ambulance service issue.

    And quite clearly "Ambulance delay to fatal 999 call" makes for a better headline then "Seriously Awesome Ambulance Crew saves life of critically ill baby.

    In short you will hear all about it when things go wrong - but when things go right and lives are saved by Ambulance crews etc - you will very rarely if ever hear about it.


  • #80
    crackcrack30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭crackcrack30


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Well in fairness - the Ambulance service does have its issues - so its not exactly surprising given the nature of Ambulance service work - that failures will make the newspapers.

    But... in all fairness I can see the point your making - and I always feel when reading yet another "Ambulance Service issue story" that im not always getting the full story.

    For example it isn't the Ambulance Services fault if Ambulances are delayed in a hospital because the patient can't be handed over to hospital staff. Yet any resulting failure is seen as an Ambulance service issue.

    And quite clearly "Ambulance delay to fatal 999 call" makes for a better headline then "Seriously Awesome Ambulance Crew saves life of critically ill baby.

    In short you will hear all about it when things go wrong - but when things go right and lives are saved by Ambulance crews etc - you will very rarely if ever hear about it.

    There are plenty of layers in the ambulance service (above us) to worry/care about how or how not the ambulance service is viewed in the media and public eye.....its one area of the service that I let go well above my head.....


  • #81
    ambo112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭ambo112


    Sorted?...... http://www.irishtimes.com/news/postcode-system-to-be-implemented-within-18-months-1.1447909


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  • #82
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    "Mr Rabbitte will bring a memo to Cabinet on Tuesday explaining the status of the proposal to allocate exclusive codes with seven or eight characters to every letterbox in the State." Bolding mine. So unless you are stricken with illness or involved in an accident in proximity to a letter-box you will still be out of reach of the ever more remote emergency services controllers.

    As was pointed out earlier the ESB/Electric Picnic Ireland/whoever have done this years ago. Why spend money re-inventing a very good extant wheel?


  • #83
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Tango Alpha 51 wrote: »
    Furnish a date. You can do so via pm if you want. Ill play back the tapes in the Limerick Control room then!. ....
    If you are involved in the ambulance service I'm sure your employer would prefer that you concentrate on the job you are paid to do rather than using your expensive time and expensive State / HSE equipment to further a discussion on the internet forum.

    I'd have assumed in these current straitened times we'd heard the last of State employees mis-using State time and expensive technical infrastructure since an idiot admitted live on a phone-in radio programme to doing just that and having her colleagues send emails from their desks in support of her during core working hours.


  • #84
    iceage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭iceage


    ambo112 wrote: »
    Sorted?...... http://www.irishtimes.com/news/postcode-system-to-be-implemented-within-18-months-1.1447909

    In this day and age they(The powers that run this Island) should be bloody disgusted with themselves, I'm sure without a doubt that the recent couple of incidents in Cork/Kerry have finally pushed this to the fore. Still too bloody late if you ask me and will still take at a year to put in place.

    NAS Ambulances still need to be equipped and crews trained to use up to date Satnav.


  • #85
    GPSParamedics
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭GPSParamedics


    Tango Alpha 51 wrote: »
    Tell me then what it should be as obviously i & my colleagues have been doing wrong for years ?

    If you are in the service,you should know what the correct answer is. Might be helpful to read the address verification policy. Forum rules prevent discussion of same here.


  • #86
    paraletic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭paraletic


    GPSParamedics wrote: »
    If you are in the service,you should know what the correct answer is. Might be helpful to read the address verification policy. Forum rules prevent discussion of same here.

    I dont think there is an issue with discussing most ambulance policies as they are mostly in the public domain.

    The policy you mentioned is freely available on the hse website,
    and just because the poster does not answer every call with: "ambulance emergency" is not a big deal. (I don't apply triangular slings very well, but I'm still a paramedic ;) )

    http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/3/nas/rptspoliciesandprocedures/call%20taking_address%20verification_dispatch.pdf


  • #87
    Bassfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Bassfish


    Some bad urban planning plays a part in this also. My folks live in an estate called Glencool in Ballincollig, cork. There is also an estate called Glencoo in Ballinlough, cork.

    Christmas Day three years ago, my self and the family are in a post Christmas dinner vegetative state on the couch when someone starts banging loudly on the door, I answer and a paramedic and driver (not sure what the proper term is, sorry) push past me in to the hall, defibrillator in hand and asked, where is he?
    I say what, who?
    60 year old man collapsed, suspected heart attack!
    Eh, no, not here!
    We got a call from this address.
    Not from here you didn't, everyone's fine here.
    The guy gets on the radio and asks the guy at the other end to check the address and I hear, 'That address was wrong, it's Ballinlough. No other units available, respond ASAP etc etc etc.
    That ambulance would have driven past Ballinlough and 15 minutes further on to ballincollig and would have taken at least 15 minutes back to Ballinlough.
    I've often wonders since if that man lived.
    Not the fault of the ambulance crew as far as I could make out, poor communication at some other stage of the process. An easy mistake to make.


  • #88
    Tango Alpha 51
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭Tango Alpha 51


    mathepac wrote: »
    If you are involved in the ambulance service I'm sure your employer would prefer that you concentrate on the job you are paid to do rather than using your expensive time and expensive State / HSE equipment to further a discussion on the internet forum.

    I'd have assumed in these current straitened times we'd heard the last of State employees mis-using State time and expensive technical infrastructure since an idiot admitted live on a phone-in radio programme to doing just that and having her colleagues send emails from their desks in support of her during core working hours.

    Ill gladly go in on my off time to prove what ****e is coming out of your mouth !!!!. You statements have been proven to be factually incorrect. Your nothing but a troll!.


  • #89
    Tango Alpha 51
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭Tango Alpha 51


    GPSParamedics wrote: »
    If you are in the service,you should know what the correct answer is. Might be helpful to read the address verification policy. Forum rules prevent discussion of same here.

    GPS,

    I'm 12 years in the service.


  • #90
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Tango Alpha 51 wrote: »
    Ill gladly go in on my off time to prove what ****e is coming out of your mouth !!!!. ...
    So you'd apparently have mis-used your employer's time and equipment if I'd said nothing, now your proposal is just to mis-use your employer's equipment. Nice one.

    I know it might have passed you by but I haven't spoken a word; I've done some typing but I haven't spoken.
    Tango Alpha 51 wrote: »
    .... You statements have been proven to be factually incorrect. ....
    Not so as I gave no details on-thread to prove or disprove my actual experiences. Based on your demeanour here I certainly couldn't bring my self to entrust you with sensitive information


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    iceage
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    On a more positive note.. Guy off his bicycle tonight(Saturday night/Sunday morning) Found him unconscious, deep lacerations .. Rang 999, all busy but had an ambulance in less than 10 minutes form 10 miles away. Thats impressive. All ended well, the crew were bloody marvelous.


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