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Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

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  • #722
    jaffacakesyum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    samsemtex wrote: »
    Why would i credit someone for defending a government who are carrying out the exact same policies as the one he has just called out for causing that mess? I dont know who he supports if anybody but blindly congratulating FG when they have probably worsened the situation and have achieved absolutely nothing. The "deal" they got could have been achieved by anybody. Thats what happens though when all our leaders are teachers.

    Point out where I credited FG. Go on, do it. Can't can you? Cos you're too high up on that horse of yours to treat anybody with respect.
    mango salsa wrote: »
    You're awfully bothered about the march and peoples reasons for marching though. You say you're not but the dismissive language and the lazy stereotyping tells another story

    No, to be honest mango I'm bothered with the attitude of posters in this thread (and many others tbf) that "I'm right, you're wrong. I'm smart, you're an idiot". It's very childish.

    This will be my last post on the thread so I'll just summarise what I've been saying so far:

    I didn't attend the march because I don't think it will do any use. I'm not stopping anybody from attending these marches if they like.

    Goodnight everyone :)


  • #723
    ballygowan1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 357 ✭✭ballygowan1


    deise blue wrote: »
    A bit of research wouldn't go astray - the march was not organised by SIPTU.

    It was organised by the unions and they asked for people to attend. That would have put most people off.


  • #724
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    ballygowan1 wrote: »
    It was organised by the unions and they asked for people to attend. That would have put most people off.

    Yep. SIPTU, INTO, ictu, whatever all the same to most people like myself in the private sector.


  • #725
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    A link to the amount of immigrants into the country would back that up.

    So that is no

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #726
    tenton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 87 ✭✭tenton


    Sparks43 wrote: »
    Unions made a mess of it though terrible attitude towards the other groups that were joining in.

    Quote of the day from a SIPTU steward to the household charge protesters who were in the middle of the siptu crowds

    "Would you ever get to the back where you fucking belong"

    the march was 90% public sector employees just agitating for their high wages and pensions to be maintained at the expense of the rest of us.


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  • #727
    deise blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭deise blue


    ballygowan1 wrote: »
    It was organised by the unions and they asked for people to attend. That would have put most people off.

    The march was not organised by SIPTU as you asserted - you were incorrect - agreed ?


  • #728
    ballygowan1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 357 ✭✭ballygowan1


    tenton wrote: »
    the march was 90% public sector employees just agitating for their high wages and pensions to be maintained at the expense of the rest of us.

    Exactly. The money these union officials are on is crazy. Massive pensions as well. They are total hypocrites.

    Who wants to listen to an uneducated guy cursing and swearing with a microphone. He won't be offering any solutions but he will be doing a lot of shouting about teachers


  • #729
    ballygowan1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 357 ✭✭ballygowan1


    deise blue wrote: »
    The march was not organised by SIPTU as you asserted - you were incorrect - agreed ?

    They were one of the organisers no? All these unions are the same. The unions organised this


  • #730
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    deise blue wrote: »
    The march was not organised by SIPTU as you asserted - you were incorrect - agreed ?

    Last time I heard SIPTU were a Union and this "protest" was organised by and for Unions so the OP is absolutely right to suggest they were an organiser.


  • #731
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    mango salsa wrote: »
    So that is no

    No, its a yes.


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  • #732
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    tenton wrote: »
    the march was 90% public sector employees just agitating for their high wages and pensions to be maintained at the expense of the rest of us.

    Nail on the head. That was the objective of the day. Hence the pathetic turn outs and general apathy from the wider public just trying to get on with things dealing with forced redundancies and job losses.


  • #733
    deise blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭deise blue


    ballygowan1 wrote: »
    They were one of the organisers no? All these unions are the same. The unions organised this

    SIPTU , a Union with a preponderance of private sector members did not organise the protest - ICTU the umbrella group for the vast majority of Unions did so .

    Obviously SIPTU backed the protest but they did not organise same - hey it's not a crime to be wrong !


  • #734
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    No, its a yes.

    More bull****....

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #735
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    deise blue wrote: »
    SIPTU , a Union with a preponderance of private sector members did not organise the protest - ICTU the umbrella group for the vast majority of Unions did so .

    Obviously SIPTU backed the protest but they did not organise same - hey it's not a crime to be wrong !

    Exactly the kind of pedantic sh!te the govt have to deal with from said Unions. Nobody cares whether it was SIPTU, ICTU or the bleedin Pope....


  • #736
    ballygowan1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 357 ✭✭ballygowan1


    deise blue wrote: »
    SIPTU , a Union with a preponderance of private sector members did not organise the protest - ICTU the umbrella group for the vast majority of Unions did so .

    Obviously SIPTU backed the protest but they did not organise same - hey it's not a crime to be wrong !

    Whatever they are all the same. Siptu backed it as did all the unions. That's why nobody went


  • #737
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    ballygowan1 wrote: »
    It was organised by the unions and they asked for people to attend. That would have put most people off.

    in my experience people will use the most ridiculous reasons for not attending, some make sense and an awful lot of them are just excuses


  • #738
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    G Power wrote: »
    in my experience people will use the most ridiculous reasons for not attending, some make sense and an awful lot of them are just excuses

    If they really really felt strongly about it and thought it was important/relevant to their lives then most people would pull out all the stops to attend.
    Clearly not the case today given the paltry turn outs.


  • #739
    ballygowan1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 357 ✭✭ballygowan1


    road_high wrote: »
    If they really really felt strongly about it and thought it was important/relevant to their lives then most people would pull out all the stops to attend.
    Clearly not the case today given the paltry turn outs.

    People don't want to march with the unions and the lefties


  • #740
    deise blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭deise blue


    ballygowan1 wrote: »
    Whatever they are all the same. Siptu backed it as did all the unions. That's why nobody went

    At last something we can agree on , SIPTU as a Union predominantly representing private sector workers did not organise the protest rather ICTU the umbrella group for the vast majority of Unions representing both Sectors did - as I say it's not a crime to be wrong .

    As someone who has worked exclusively in the Private Sector I walked behind my Union's banner & felt that the crowd in Dublin approximated ICTU's estimate rather than the Garda's - most of whom were marching with us anyway !


  • #741
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    deise blue wrote: »
    At last something we can agree on , SIPTU as a Union predominantly representing private sector workers did not organise the protest rather ICTU the umbrella group for the vast majority of Unions representing both Sectors did - as I say it's not a crime to be wrong .

    As someone who has worked exclusively in the Private Sector I walked behind my Union's banner & felt that the crowd in Dublin approximated ICTU's estimate rather than the Garda's - most of whom were marching with us anyway !

    Not having a go Deise b but honestly, what do you think today achived?

    I wouldn't question the Garda figures. If anything, you would think as a PS sector body, one would be inclined to say they might exaggerate the crowds, which they didn't do. They are well used to public crowds and would take their word for it.


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  • #742
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    ballygowan1 wrote: »
    People don't want to march with the unions and the lefties

    And they know it achives nothing. People need to get down to work in this country and just damn well get on with it. Most people accept this hence the low turnout.


  • #743
    Almaviva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Almaviva


    Skill and experience at estimating march crowd numbers:
    - Gardai : good
    - Average crowd member : nil
    - March organiser : pluck number from air. Pluck another number from air. Multiply both.


  • #744
    deise blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭deise blue


    road_high wrote: »
    Not having a go Deise b but honestly, what do you think today achived?

    I wouldn't question the Garda figures. If anything, you would think as a PS sector body, one would be inclined to say they might exaggerate the crowds, which they didn't do. They are well used to public crowds and would take their word for it.

    I quite appreciate that you are not having a go - however the size of the crowd was impressive - I appreciate that you prefer to accept the Garda figure but the crowd according to ICTU was significantly higher & as someone who was there ( unlike yourself ) I am inclined to agree with ICTU.

    As to what the protest achieved it's difficult to say - it certainly shows that thousands of people are prepared to publicly express their disquiet at current Government policies , it also cements my belief that frontline public sector workers & members of the CPSU will not accept a third paycut & it also reflects the fact that currently the only organisations that can still organise protests on a large scale are the Unions - a source of pride to me I must say.


  • #745
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    road_high wrote: »
    If they really really felt strongly about it and thought it was important/relevant to their lives then most people would pull out all the stops to attend.
    Clearly not the case today given the paltry turn outs.

    i'd love to agree with you so i could have faith restored in humanity but what i've seen and heard said against people who protest proves to me people don't give a $hit about anyone but themselves most of the time.


  • #746
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    deise blue wrote: »
    I quite appreciate that you are not having a go - however the size of the crowd was impressive - I appreciate that you prefer to accept the Garda figure but the crowd according to ICTU was significantly higher & as someone who was there ( unlike yourself ) I am inclined to agree with ICTU.

    As to what the protest achieved it's difficult to say - it certainly shows that thousands of people are prepared to publicly express their disquiet at current Government policies , it also cements my belief that frontline public sector workers & members of the CPSU will not accept a third paycut & it also reflects the fact that currently the only organisations that can still organise protests on a large scale are the Unions - a source of pride to me I must say.

    they tried to say there was over 5000 in the galway march and that was the greatest play with figures since lenihan said a couple of billion will fix it all


  • #747
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    deise blue wrote: »
    I quite appreciate that you are not having a go - however the size of the crowd was impressive - I appreciate that you prefer to accept the Garda figure but the crowd according to ICTU was significantly higher & as someone who was there ( unlike yourself ) I am inclined to agree with ICTU.

    As to what the protest achieved it's difficult to say - it certainly shows that thousands of people are prepared to publicly express their disquiet at current Government policies , it also cements my belief that frontline public sector workers & members of the CPSU will not accept a third paycut & it also reflects the fact that currently the only organisations that can still organise protests on a large scale are the Unions - a source of pride to me I must say.

    Fair enough and I admire your principles and courtesy here (rare for boards!!), but on the PS wages thing I would have to say that with the deficit the country is still running PS pay cuts have to be on the table.
    All the low hanging fruit is well and truly gone. Yet the deficit remains stubbornly high. And I'm fecked if I and others in the Private sector are going to take more tax hikes to keep this farce going.
    I don't see why I and others should have to pay yet more of our hard earned wages in taxes, while PS was/is completely protected in terms of pay/numbers under CP1. That's what it boils down to pretty much.


  • #748
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    G Power wrote: »
    i'd love to agree with you so i could have faith restored in humanity but what i've seen and heard said against people who protest proves to me people don't give a $hit about anyone but themselves most of the time.

    Exactly! That's why the turnout was most likely overwhelmingly PS staff and unions today!


  • #749
    Sparks43
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    Rough guess guys how wide would you say dame st is?

    In Meters preferably


  • #750
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    Sparks43 wrote: »
    Rough guess guys how wide would you say dame st is?

    In Meters preferably

    now you're onto something

    any boardsies living on dame street want to measure this for us all??


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  • #751
    Sparks43
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    G Power wrote: »
    now you're onto something

    any boardsies living on dame street want to measure this for us all??

    Lol im trying to work out a rough area estimate of the route

    ie Length 2.9km av width 10m

    2900 * 10 = 29,000 m2

    2 people in a square meter then 58,000 or so marched

    But then add in the people waiting at the start when the group finished.

    anothe 5k or so

    And the people who joined in along the way

    Getting on for 70,000 and that is based on 10m wide average streets


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