Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

tayto lover wrote: »

How does last night change anything dv ?
A lot of people saying that they landed us firmly in it for sure now and also our children and grandchildren.
Did you read David McWilliams take on it?

http://www.facebook.com/davidmcw/pos...52217753778306

I wouldn't be listening to anything what he has to say to be honest. He's one of the reasons we're in this mess. He assisted Brian L in the state guarantee of 2008. How it was a good idea to guarantee 400Billion when your income 35Billion is beyond.

I wish he would just shut up and fcuk off.

samsemtex wrote: »

To someone like you it just really doesnt matter what you are information or facts you are given does it? No cognitive reasoning or lateral thinking takes place in your mind. Just swallow the rhetoric and move along. Of course if the party in power who had done this was Fianna Fail you'd be outraged i'm sure.

No matter how many times economists, journalists and other experts from outside the government and ECB have told us that we are following the wrong route it just doesn't matter to someone like you. We have thrown away every bargaining chip we have ever had and ended up with no deal on money we DIDN'T have to pay. And yet you believe the government has done a good job.

I commend the conveniences of the modern world in keeping you alive. Godspeed and may you never have to think for yourself again.

No need to attack that poster like you hold some kind of moral high ground or something.

A lot of legit protesters are getting turned off by the new hi-bred that has sprouted up in recent years 'protester + massive ego'. Its like its the new fashionable thing to do.

Your not Che Guevara and never will sarcrifice your life for the good of a country, so stop kidding yourself behind your keyboard spouting masses of rubbish.

After your city stroll, when the union rep stands at the top addressing you all on Saturday, clapping and cheering in unison, have another think about who is actually awake and thinking for themselves. You're no better than those who prop up the government, just under a different banner!

Am Chile wrote: »

Tayto an interesting quite from a recent article in the Irish examiner.



http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html

German guy on pat kenny said that the european banking crisis has cost 9.4 trillion euro.
And according to you here and the link you pasted, we paid 42% of the entire banking crisis.

42% of that 9.4 trillion is a little over 4.3 trillion.

Did we really pay that or owe that 4.3 trillion euro?

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't know about the ICTU as i'm not in a union.

Mc Williams is not the only one complaining though, there are loads of them on the radio all day.
I will still march on Sat in support of the Frontline workers who are being targeted for unfair cuts.

It is an ICTU organised protest calling for a lifting of the debt burden, not really a general anti austerity protest, but I suppose it can be all things to all men.

On McWilliams and the rest of them, what are they calling on the government to do? Scrap today's deal and go back to the drawing board? That's obviously not going to happen; the PN issue is now resolved, so they need to move on to the next thing, whatever that is.

What alternative to austerity are the frontline workers protesting for?

My name is URL wrote: »

How is it resolved? Just because the game has changed doesn't change the fact that the government potentially broke the law in issuing them in the first place. The case is yet to be heard by the supreme court. Nothing is resolved.

Its resolved as far as the Government is concerned. They are hardly likely to revisit the deal they've just done.
So its resolved, at least until after the next election.

My name is URL wrote: »

That's like saying a thief isn't a thief once he sells on the stolen goods.

Am Chile wrote: »

Tayto an interesting quite from a recent article in the Irish examiner.



http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html

Indeed that is a staggering figure, id like to know more about how it was arrived at. No doubt that we are paying well over the odds though.

books4sale wrote: »

No need to attack that poster like you hold some kind of moral high ground or something.

A lot of legit protesters are getting turned off by the new hi-bred that has sprouted up in recent years 'protester + massive ego'. Its like its the new fashionable thing to do.

Your not Che Guevara and never will sarcrifice your life for the good of a country, so stop kidding yourself behind your keyboard spouting masses of rubbish.

After your city stroll, when the union rep stands at the top addressing you all on Saturday, clapping and cheering in unison, have another think about who is actually awake and thinking for themselves. You're no better than those who prop up the government, just under a different banner!

Well done on being completely wrong about my motivations and reasoning. The irony is that you are probably the one of the two of us who has never run a business or contributed anything aside from income tax and VAT to the economy.

I'm not in anyway a socialist so please stop trying to label me as one. I think the Unions in Ireland are every bit as responsible for this mess as the political parties. I am very much in favour of sweeping reforms of the public sector which would result in massive cost savings. I have no affiliation with any Union, political party or otherwise. I very much think for myself.

The governments actions in recent years have slaughtered the domestic economy, it has become almost impossible to run a business. People arent spending money and it's getting worse and will continue to get worse with the next austerity budget and it will continue to get worse after that. Money has to be saved, the spending in the public sector needs to be managed and im all in favour of massive pay cuts for the large number of civil servants earning 60,000euro a year. The government are taking money out of the economy in all the wrong places.

Paying a 31 billion debt on top of that is ****ing ridiculous.

I would like to protest on saturday but i sure as hell wont be doing it under the banner of a trade union. Unfortunately the public apathy is staggering here and it is genuinely hard to find people who are willing to do anything other than silently moan and whinge about everything but actually do nothing.

So go sod yourself there buddy before accusing everyone who wants to protest as being some lefty with no concept of reality.

books4sale wrote: »

No need to attack that poster like you hold some kind of moral high ground or something.

A lot of legit protesters are getting turned off by the new hi-bred that has sprouted up in recent years 'protester + massive ego'. Its like its the new fashionable thing to do.

Your not Che Guevara and never will sarcrifice your life for the good of a country, so stop kidding yourself behind your keyboard spouting masses of rubbish.

who are you to say so, i know plenty who would fight for their country and be proud to do so. This attitude of yours is a good bit of what's wrong with this country, people thinking there's something wrong with talking a big talk when it regards the lives and futures of their family, friends, neighbours and future generations. If anything we need more hi-bred protestors as you call them as they seem to be the only ones really in it to effect real change on the ground.

is it so hard to believe there are people who will to fight for change??

G Power wrote: »

who are you to say so, i know plenty who would fight for their country and be proud to do so. This attitude of yours is a good bit of what's wrong with this country, people thinking there's something wrong with talking a big talk when it regards the lives and futures of their family, friends, neighbours and future generations. If anything we need more hi-bred protestors as you call them as they seem to be the only ones really in it to effect real change on the ground.

is it so hard to believe there are people who will to fight for change??

When your own targets, standards and ambitions are set so low its often very hard to imagine anyone else strives for better. Although the type of crap that lad came out with is over represented on boards (which really is riddled with party political numptys and an astounding level of priggishness), it is unfortunately very prevalent in the country. It's very hard, sorry impossible to get reform when people wont stick their head on the line.

I dont know what it is here but people just will not speak/act out and try something new. There is this terrible fear of "rocking the boat". Anyone who tries gets shot down with great pleasure (Declan Ganley and Sean Gallagher for example, i wasnt around for the presidential election so not sure how i would have voted and i didnt like Ganley but the point stands). A lot of people just seem to enjoy this stagnation and wallowing in moaning and self pity. But god no they wont do anything about it. They just dont seem to want a better country.

Anyway I will try to find a protest that represents my beliefs to a degree and I will try to take part in that while these "you'll never change anything" lads will do absolutely nothing and let the status quo continue. They dont seem to understand or deserve democracy.

K-9 wrote: »

The actual deficit has dropped by €9 Billion in 3 years, hardly small and the gap is getting bridged. The problem in the future is the interest on the bridging loans to get that reduction, plus the bank debt and what ever interest deal comes out when this whole Anglo debacle gets sorted.

http://economic-incentives.blogspot.ie/2012/03/changing-nature-of-our-budget-deficits.html

And what use is that when unemployment is rife and still rising, emmigration is at an all time high and the domestic economy has come to almost a complete stop. It's baffling that you or anyone can think that these are good moves. The economy will be crippled for a long long time. The manner in which this government has implemented these savings is a disaster. Never once was a thought given to making the public sector more efficient, its all just about endless service cuts. I and most country people will literally get nothing for the household charge. You dont get an economy rolling again by taking away the peoples disposable income. There is at least one more austerity budget coming (there will be more when it is clear spending is at an all time low) and the country cannot take it.

I can only imagine you are one of the few people who is not struggling at all. As disconnected as the politicians themselves.

G Power wrote: »

If anything we need more hi-bred protestors as you call them as they seem to be the only ones really in it to effect real change on the ground.

is it so hard to believe there are people who will to fight for change??

They're soft and act like sheep. The thing that gets me most is they're led by the nose by some fat cat union rep, hardly a protest!

You're not fighting for change, you're supporting the inflated salaries of union reps. You're just another pawn in a power struggle. Nothing ever changes!

This thread died a death 25 pages back, now its just the same posters, shills or union plants, slapping each others backs and praising each other left, right and centre. They're no better than those running the country.