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Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

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  • #242
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    How are we responsible for what went on in offices and behind closed doors in banks? We are all responsible for our own finances and for no body elses.

    Again, the same goes for work. We all only responsible for ourselves, our own jobs and responsiblities and for no body elses. It was the banking regulators job to over see the banks and he failed. He allowed the banks to run wild. How were we responsible for his job?

    If we're responsible for our own finances, we should make sure to live within our means and keep borrowing to a minimum, because no one else will pick up the tab for us.

    Ultimately, we are all only responsible for ourselves, but I think we should look out for others in our society too, and consider the wider implications of our actions. Sometimes I think we only elect leaders so we have someone to blame.

    At the very least, it's not very efficient to be a mé féiner; as we see now - whatever about the good times, we are now all in this mess together and no amount of special pleading is going to make it go away.

    I have no personal debts, but I have lost a lot of opportunities and I have lost faith. I hope I won't lose my sense of social responsibility too.


  • #243
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    starlings wrote: »
    If we're responsible for our own finances, we should make sure to live within our means and keep borrowing to a minimum, because no one else will pick up the tab for us.

    Ultimately, we are all only responsible for ourselves, but I think we should look out for others in our society too, and consider the wider implications of our actions. Sometimes I think we only elect leaders so we have someone to blame.

    At the very least, it's not very efficient to be a mé féiner; as we see now - whatever about the good times, we are now all in this mess together and no amount of special pleading is going to make it go away.

    I have no personal debts, but I have lost a lot of opportunities and I have lost faith. I hope I won't lose my sense of social responsibility too.

    Social responsibility ??
    Yes our great leaders have a lot of that. Just ask the carers, sick etc.


  • #244
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    woodoo wrote: »
    Do you believe that taxes don't apply to the public sector too. If after all the time you have been hanging around these sort of threads you still don't understand then i despair.
    How many private sector people do you expect at this march? I'd be surprised if even a tenth of the people there were private sector. Most of the "anti austerity" crowd are those who feed at the trough of the poor taxpayer who has to pay for it all.


  • #245
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    ^^^ Starlings, I agree with you that we should be living within our means and I wanted that, as in the government to make one big swoop for the deficit but that never happening.

    Your previous post implies that we are responsible the banking debt. How so? You didn't answer my questions above.


  • #246
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Social responsibility ??
    Yes our great leaders have a lot of that. Just ask the carers, sick etc.

    I am not a leader.


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  • #247
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    No, I won't be protesting.

    Simply because the reason for the protest is unclear, the leaders of the protest will use the numbers at it to support their own agenda, no matter what you are actually protesting against.


  • #248
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    starlings wrote: »
    I am not a leader.

    Explain to me how I am responsible for the Banking debt please.


  • #249
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    hmmm wrote: »
    How many private sector people do you expect at this march? I'd be surprised if even a tenth of the people there were private sector. Most of the "anti austerity" crowd are those who feed at the trough of the poor taxpayer who has to pay for it all.

    Taxes and public servants that's the point i was making to you. We pay the same sort of taxes. Any that effect you effect me.


  • #250
    Almaviva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Almaviva


    Nah.

    Populist nonsense, instigated by opportunists, exploiting the financial pain being felt by many, and the ignorance of the common man to make any worthwhile judgement on whether or not austerity is the correct economic tonic for Ireland. Let those you elected get on with the job.

    If anyone is organising a protest against the Feb 9th protest against austerity, let me know


  • #251
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    ^^^ Starlings, I agree with you that we should be living within our means and I wanted that, as in the government to make one big swoop for the deficit but that never happening.

    Your previous post implies that we are responsible the banking debt. How so? You didn't answer my questions above.

    No, ilovesleep, I wasn't saying we are each responsible (though collectively, we are at the moment), I was saying that we're all in the same mess. I don't see how we can separate it into individual levels of blame. What I took from your post was that we should all only look after ourselves. Sorry if I misunderstood.


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  • #252
    tayto lover
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    Almaviva wrote: »
    Nah.

    Populist nonsense, instigated by opportunists, exploiting the financial pain being felt by many, and the ignorance of the common man to make any worthwhile judgement on whether or not austerity is the correct economic tonic for Ireland. Let those you elected get on with the job.

    If anyone is organising a protest against the Feb 9th protest against austerity, let me know

    Sure go yourself and shout at the marchers.
    Don't be afraid to make your stand. Be brave.


  • #253
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    hmmm wrote: »
    How many private sector people do you expect at this march? I'd be surprised if even a tenth of the people there were private sector. Most of the "anti austerity" crowd are those who feed at the trough of the poor taxpayer who has to pay for it all.

    Exactly. LOL at the PS "we pay the same taxes" line...where do you think the money comes from in the first place? Government spending does not ultimately create wealth. Some of their wages does a loop in the tax take. The rest has to come from the Private sector or in the case of Ireland borrowed from the imf (the only ones that would lend to us) and paid back with interest, of course.


  • #254
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    How are we responsible for what went on in offices and behind closed doors in banks? We are all responsible for our own finances and for no body elses.
    The blanket guarantee made us responsible.


  • #255
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    road_high wrote: »
    Exactly. LOL at the PS "we pay the same taxes" line...where do you think the money comes from in the first place? .

    Who said anything about where the money came from. I know well where the money comes from. My point is in relation to taxes on individual workers.

    If the government introduces a new tax do we or do we not have to pay it too. Does that or does it not lower my take home pay the same as it does yours. That is the point i'm making.


  • #256
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    The blanket guarantee made us responsible.

    Not buying that at all.
    We have never been told the truth.
    We haven't been told what was written in the infamous letter, who was in the room, what Cowan and Fitzy were discussing in their "golf meeting" etc.
    We are being forced to pay the debts of the friends of the Govt of the time and are being lied to constantly by this crowd.
    No not buying that at all.
    The only guarantee I gave was to pay my mortgage and I have fulfilled that.


  • #257
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    starlings wrote: »
    No, ilovesleep, I wasn't saying we are each responsible (though collectively, we are at the moment), I was saying that we're all in the same mess. I don't see how we can separate it into individual levels of blame. What I took from your post was that we should all only look after ourselves. Sorry if I misunderstood.

    Oh christ no, that's not what I meant. It important and even more so now than ever before to help each other in need.

    I agree with what you wrote upon. We're all collectively responsible because the government of the day in 08 made it so.

    You wrote that we ran up a huge banking tab. How so? Many people here on boards blame people who bought a mortgage, a house, and other runaway spending as if it was the whole reason of the banking collaspe and that's not so imo but many were fed and led to believe and probably still do believe that 'we all partied' and 'we all went mad'. This isn't so and that was my reply to you. We're all only responsible for our own finan


  • #258
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    woodoo wrote: »
    Who said anything about where the money came from. I know well where the money comes from. My point is in relation to taxes on individual workers.

    If the government introduces a new tax do we or do we not have to pay it too. Does that or does it not lower my take home pay the same as it does yours. That is the point i'm making.

    Fair enough but I'm very concerned about where the money comes from (we all should be) as it's fundamental to where Ireland is going.
    Public spending is just not sustainable at this level. It really concerns me we are not living within our means as a country.


  • #259
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Not buying that at all.
    We have never been told the truth.
    We haven't been told what was written in the infamous letter, who was in the room, what Cowan and Fitzy were discussing in their "golf meeting" etc.
    We are being forced to pay the debts of the friends of the Govt of the time and are being lied to constantly by this crowd.
    No not buying that at all.
    The only guarantee I gave was to pay my mortgage and I have fulfilled that.

    Thank you tayto lover.


  • #260
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    road_high wrote: »
    Fair enough but I'm very concerned about where the money comes from (we all should be) as it's fundamental to where Ireland is going.
    Public spending is just not sustainable at this level. It really concerns me we are not living within our means as a country.

    The three big areas that the government can use to get more is Social welfare PS pay and pensions and income tax.

    The PS will offer some more but that will be the 3rd time they have come to us for money. A 3rd rate of income tax and a general rise of 1% should be implemented. Also social welfare has to give more it is the biggest spending department at €21 billion.

    OAPs haven't given anything yet, children's allowance should not be paid to well off people, crack down on the 'bad back' merchants abusing sick pay. Take money from the dole or wages of convicted criminals to pay for their own legal aid.


  • #261
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Not buying that at all.
    It was bought on your behalf. Tough.


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  • #262
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    It was bought on your behalf. Tough.

    By crooked people. So it doesn't stand.


  • #263
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Oh christ no, that's not what I meant. It important and even more so now than ever before to help each other in need.

    I agree with what you wrote upon. We're all collectively responsible because the government of the day in 08 made it so.

    You wrote that we ran up a huge banking tab. How so? Many people here on boards blame people who bought a mortgage, a house, and other runaway spending as if it was the whole reason of the banking collaspe and that's not so imo but many were fed and led to believe and probably still do believe that 'we all partied' and 'we all went mad'. This isn't so and that was my reply to you. We're all only responsible for our own finan


    :D

    By "we", I meant "Ireland" as opposed to "them" in "Germany" (another poster had asked why the Germans were shouldering a tiny fraction of the debt). It's a tricky distinction between states and their electorates, which I was thinking of as a democratic block rather than a collection of individuals, and I wish there had been more responsibility on all levels, including the reckless borrower - which is where I politely :) disagree with you.


  • #264
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    The people of Iceland didn't fold and they were recently proved right.

    "A European court has cleared the Icelandic government of failing to guarantee minimum levels of compensation for UK and Dutch savers in the collapsed Icesave bank."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21231535


  • #265
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    =woodoo;8302176
    OAPs haven't given anything yet, children's allowance should not be paid to well off people.

    I agree OAP's seem to be the only ones with money these days. Though I suspect many of them give it to their pin of their collar kids and grandkids!

    Cannot understand why childrens allowance cannot be means tested. It's an outrage that the local Doctor gets the same rate as the guy who lost his job in the crash for example...


  • #266
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    By crooked people. So it doesn't stand.
    Ha. I didn't get that memo.

    Your problem, tayto, is that you confuse what you'd like to see with what is actually happening.


  • #267
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    road_high wrote: »
    I agree OAP's seem to be the only ones with money these days. Though I suspect many of them give it to their pin of their collar kids and grandkids!

    Cannot understand why childrens allowance cannot be means tested. It's an outrage that the local Doctor gets the same rate as the guy who lost his job in the crash for example...

    The OAP's have lived through many recessions and have paid their taxes all their lives.
    They should be allowed to live their final years in peace.
    The children have been hit too. Education cuts, back to school allowances and cuts to Childrens Benefit.

    As I have said before - tax the very rich and rise the Corporate Tax a bit, give Free Legal Aid only to those who have been found innocent. Childrens Benefit to those who need it and stop paying Bondholders.


  • #268
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Since this protest is being organised by the unions then I wouldn't have anything to do with it. The public sector unions are part of the problem not part of the solution.

    Ever votáil Fianna Fáil? That's the real part of the problem


  • #269
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The OAP's have lived through many recessions and have paid their taxes all their lives.
    They should be allowed to live their final years in peace.
    The children have been hit too. Education cuts, back to school allowances and cuts to Childrens Benefit.

    As I have said before - tax the very rich and rise the Corporate Tax a bit, give Free Legal Aid only to those who have been found innocent. Childrens Benefit to those who need it and stop paying Bondholders.

    5% would do no harm.


  • #270
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    woodoo wrote: »
    5% would do no harm.

    And save a lot...


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  • #271
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    Ha. I didn't get that memo.

    Your problem, tayto, is that you confuse what you'd like to see with what is actually happening.

    That's part of my problem with politicians alright. Trying to figure which is lies and which is truth. I don't think they know themselves.


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