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Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

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  • #32
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Where did this debt come from?


  • #33
    mightdomighty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭mightdomighty


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    This is a serious thread. You are disrespecting the moderator with your comments in my opinion and its wrong. I am not protesting but do not think you should be laughing at the protests or the moderator.

    Get off your soapbox fella, this is After hours

    Sure, I can accept that you feel this is a serious thread, although I would argue it's a pointless exercise and deserves ridicule.

    Fair game IMO


  • #34
    Logical_Bear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Logical_Bear


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Where did this debt come from?
    not sure,think rich people made it and poor people pay it.

    I'm not really clear on how it works,seems a bit nonsensical to me :o


  • #35
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    JuliusCaesar wrote: »
    Yes, I'll be there. The present regime of austerity is austerity for me and others like me, in order to maintain our bankers in the style to which they became accustomed. The savage cut-backs in public services make it really difficult for both patients and staff of the HSE. It's really hard to provide what you know is a sub-standard service, a service which is WAY below best practice, when our Minister continues to insist that staff reductions have made no difference to patient treatment/services. YES IT HAS Minister.






    Although I don't think the govt is listening, it's really important to send the message that the ordinary people of Ireland are not happy at being taxed to the hilt and beyond to pay off bank debts. That's BANK DEBTS, not our debts.

    I'll be there too.
    Not our debt so why should the Irish people pay 42% of Europe's debt?
    Far too many people believing the spin.


  • #36
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Yeah, sitting around giving out is going to magic jobs out of thin air

    No

    But it's about the billions in bank debt that has been foisted upon us. Do you believe we should be paying it?


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  • #37
    Rocco Gray Devil
    Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Rocco Gray Devil


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    But it's about the billions in bank debt that has been foisted upon us. Do you believe we should be paying it?

    The campaign is being run by "jobs not debt", so it seems to be a general airing of miseries. No, I don't believe in socialism and that includes socialising private debts. If a bank was collapsing, then it should have been let collapse and let that be the end of it. They rise, they fall, they rise again.
    But now? Well, I don't see people volunteering for further cuts to handle the non-bank related deficits that already exist
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82946905&postcount=83


  • #38
    tayto lover
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    books4sale wrote: »
    The only two groups that can lead an effective protest in this country are the OAP's and the farmers. Angry, passion and willingness to give it welly. Everyone else, forget it!

    Protesting should be all about breaking the rules and boundaries, not these mass controlled walks up the street.

    You'd find more anger in Disneyland.

    There's talk about protesting outside the homes of TD.'s.
    Now that would have an effect.


  • #39
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,419 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I won't be attending, but I don't get that 'it won't change the fact that we're in debt' argument. Is that what it's about... being in debt?

    I would have thought it was in protest to the idea that we should be liable for the debts of private banks. Can seriously say you don't have a problem with the socialisation of debt at the expense of public services?


  • #40
    WallyGUFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WallyGUFC


    We're all economists in here it seems. I'd love to see people here try to run the country. Protesting won't make a blind bit of difference apart from wasting Garda man hours and inconveniencing people going about their daily business i.e. it will achieve nothing.


  • #41
    WallyGUFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WallyGUFC


    Oh well excuuuuse me! :p


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  • #42
    Fulton Crown
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭Fulton Crown


    Protest marches ? ...nah ! Not me pilgrim.

    Packed with leftie trouble makers

    Duffle coated crusties

    Skangers in track suits...those saggy grey ones (so suitable for the Irish complexion).

    Arse holes with whistles and loud hailers....urging people to chant slogans.

    Ming Flanigan / Claire Daly / Mick Wallace.

    Nah compadre ...not for me ...gotta clean the brake dust from my alloys.....:cool:


  • #43
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Right ok - keep accepting that life is bad and nothing can ever change - meanwhile - I'll be doing something useful on February 9th

    In what way will it be useful?


  • #44
    GalwayGuy2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    There's talk about protesting outside the homes of TD.'s.
    Now that would have an effect.

    Nothing like a bit of the bully-boy brigade.


  • #45
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Obviously a waste of time as protesting has never achieved anything, ever. :rolleyes:


  • #46
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    Nothing like a bit of the bully-boy brigade.

    How is it?

    TDs and their hanger-on brigade have no problem annoying people in their homes when they see fit.

    What's good for the goose...


  • #47
    Radharc na Sleibhte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭Radharc na Sleibhte


    No.
    Ill drive by and give them a beep.
    Protestors love that.


  • #48
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Fulton Crown wrote: »
    Protest marches ? ...nah ! Not me pilgrim.

    Packed with leftie trouble makers

    Duffle coated crusties

    Skangers in track suits...those saggy grey ones (so suitable for the Irish complexion).

    Arse holes with whistles and loud hailers....urging people to chant slogans.

    Ming Flanigan / Claire Daly / Mick Wallace.

    Nah compadre ...not for me ...gotta clean the brake dust from my alloys.....:cool:

    I'll be going to show them that I care about what they are doing to their people i.e. making them pay the debts of European gamblers. Putting debt on our children and grandchildren.
    I don't give a damn about the likes of Daly, Flanagan or anyone else, about whistles, chants or anything else. There is no difference between the noise of a whistle on the street than that of a lying wind-bag in the Dail to me except that the whistler is not trying to ride me.


  • #49
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I'll be there too.
    Not our debt so why should the Irish people pay 42% of Europe's debt?
    Far too many people believing the spin.

    Shouldnt that be " The Working population of this country" . Im not Irish yet im paying more and more each year to pay back a debt i had feck all to do with and supplement those on the dole long term and have paid nothing into the economy. It seems sometimes that those that shout the loudest are the ones that have contributed the least .


  • #50
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Shouldnt that be " The Working population of this country" . Im not Irish yet im paying more and more each year to pay back a debt i had feck all to do with and supplement those on the dole long term and have paid nothing into the economy. It seems sometimes that those that shout the loudest are the ones that have contributed the least .



    Why is the protest at the council offices and not outside the Dail?

    Don't know. It will be the working population who will be protesting. Why would the unemployed protest anyway, they have it easy?


  • #51
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Shouldnt that be " The Working population of this country" . Im not Irish yet im paying more and more each year to pay back a debt i had feck all to do with and supplement those on the dole long term and have paid nothing into the economy. It seems sometimes that those that shout the loudest are the ones that have contributed the least .


    Why is the protest at the council offices and not outside the Dail?

    You'd swear unemployed people paid no taxes when they were employed, you'd swear they paid no VAT...

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #52
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Don't know. It will be the working population who will be protesting. Why would the unemployed protest anyway, they have it easy?

    Yeah - they're just scroungers who sit on their hole watching their 100" flatscreens etc etc etc etc :cool:

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #53
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    mango salsa wrote: »
    You'd swear unemployed people paid no taxes when they were employed, you'd swear they paid no VAT...

    Thanks for pointing this out. People seem to think that taxpayers are only those who are employment.


  • #54
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    mango salsa wrote: »
    You'd swear unemployed people paid no taxes when they were employed, you'd swear they paid no VAT...

    Read my post again


  • #55
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Yeah - they're just scroungers who sit on their hole watching their 100" flatscreens etc etc etc etc :cool:

    There are far too many like that Mango, happy to be on the dole . Its these that the government need tackle.


  • #56
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Read my post again

    Amongst those who have paid nothing to society are babies and small kids. That's it really. During the celtic tiger we nearly had full employment so I dont believe the myth that a large number or irish people are long term unemployed and/or want to be.


  • #57
    Fulton Crown
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭Fulton Crown


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I'll be going to show them that I care about what they are doing to their people i.e. making them pay the debts of European gamblers. Putting debt on our children and grandchildren.
    I don't give a damn about the likes of Daly, Flanagan or anyone else, about whistles, chants or anything else. There is no difference between the noise of a whistle on the street than that of a lying wind-bag in the Dail to me except that the whistler is not trying to ride me.

    How you want to waste your time is not an issue for me pilgrim !

    Off you go and shout your inane slogans and allow yourself to be manipulated by people who have only their own interests in play and are using you and others like you as pawns.

    Watch out for the SF dynamic duo Gerry the Patriot - protector of the public health service...and Fat Mary.

    But ...never mind you may be doing them a favour and helping them along to nice fat pensions....


  • #58
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    There are far too many like that Mango, happy to be on the dole . Its these that the government need tackle.

    Could you post some studies that maintain that a large number of people are happy to be on the dole?


  • #59
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Could you post some studies that maintain that a large number of people are happy to be on the dole?

    Go and have a walk along the boardwalk in the city centre or ask a family with kids who get more off the social than what they would get if they went back into work.


  • #60
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    So what's the contention by people against the idea of protest? Do you not think protesting or marching have solved anything throughout history? I wonder would such people have even taken part in the civil rights marchs of the 1960s ect because the thought protests achieve nothing. An important (maybe the most important) part of protests is letting someone know that there's something we as a people are not happy with.


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  • #61
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Amongst those who have paid nothing to society are babies and small kids. That's it really. During the celtic tiger we nearly had full employment so I dont believe the myth that a large number or irish people are long term unemployed and/or want to be.

    You dont believe that there are a large number of people long term unemployed?????????:eek:


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