Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

stooge · 18-01-2013 04:45PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

I just said he's worth upto 7, there's not a hope you'll get more than that if you look at it sensibly.

But you carry on rolling your eyes and i'll wait until fans that can have a debate post on the matter.

I think Norwich will play on the following:
- SPL is not competitive
- he will have a better chance of playing for England if he's in the EPL
- Grant holt prone to injuries and getting older

On the flip side:
- he will not likely get any european football with Norwich
- he's guaranteed a game at Celtic
- no possibly of relegation with Celtic
- The way Norwich play favours Holt with a supporting midfielder and not necessarily a poacher

I dont think by keeping Hooper until the summer will reduce the fee that could be commanded for him. I still think someone could come in with a 7-8m pound bid when the season is over. He's only 24/25, English and a great poacher. Unless Celtic get ~8m I would say hold onto him.

Lawrence1895 · 18-01-2013 05:42PM

dd972 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Fallon_(footballer)

Instrumental in assembling the team with Dalglish, Macari, McGrain etc, RIP

R.I.P., Sean. Thoughts are with the family and friends. YNWA

eire4 · 18-01-2013 07:24PM

RIP Sean Fallon. A true Celtic great.

Lennonist · 18-01-2013 07:26PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

I just said he's worth upto 7, there's not a hope you'll get more than that if you look at it sensibly.

But you carry on rolling your eyes and i'll wait until fans that can have a debate post on the matter.

A players worth is dependent on his ability and most importantly on how much is left on his contract. It's also natural that Celtic people will value him highly whereas supporters of other clubs wont value him as highly.

Outwith that, Hooper was actually picked for the England squad a while back. Being English and in or around the England squad would add value to him as a striker as we all know. Darren Bent went to Villa in the January window two seasons ago for 19 million, he can't get a game and is out of favour at Villa now.

I think Hooper's worth well more than 7mill and Celtic would likely get that in the summer if they kept him for the rest of the season anyway. The reputed 5 mill bid from Norwich is a joke, Celtic are under no pressure to sell. We'll find out soon enough how much an EPL side is prepared to pay for him, either that or he might sign a contract extension. It's pure speculation.

Lennonist · 19-01-2013 03:05PM

Hooper scores after two minutes, obviously the nonsense from Norwich isn't unsettling him.

A Dub in Glasgo · 19-01-2013 03:14PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY7yLu4vk_A

Samaras makes it 2-0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS59naG8T1Y

Coillte_Bhoy · 19-01-2013 04:52PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Hooper scores after two minutes, obviously the nonsense from Norwich isn't unsettling him.

What nonsense? They put in a bid, so what, no need to be so precious

A Dub in Glasgo · 19-01-2013 04:53PM

Hooper 3-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PkstB2A3fc

Lassad 4-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksK29sTalIY

Lennonist · 19-01-2013 05:36PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

What nonsense? They put in a bid, so what, no need to be so precious

The bid is a joke. I'm describing it as a nonsense bid, that's nothing to do with being precious - what are you talking about.

Norwich got pumped 5-0 today by an average Liverpool side btw. Hooper obviously has ambitions to play in the EPL, but he'd be daft to go to there.

Coillte_Bhoy · 19-01-2013 09:47PM

Lennonist wrote: »

The bid is a joke. I'm describing it as a nonsense bid, that's nothing to do with being precious - what are you talking about.

Norwich got pumped 5-0 today by an average Liverpool side btw. Hooper obviously has ambitions to play in the EPL, but he'd be daft to go to there.

Why is it a joke? I

Lennonist · 19-01-2013 09:51PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Why is it a joke? I

What do you think he is worth?

Coillte_Bhoy · 20-01-2013 07:07PM

Lennonist wrote: »

What do you think he is worth?

€5-7 million. It's irrelevant what i think anyway

Lennonist · 20-01-2013 07:36PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

€5-7 million. It's irrelevant what i think anyway

Jordan Rhodes went to Blackburn for 8 million, he had only played at League 1 level up 'til then. Darren Bent 19 million, Andy Carroll the 35 million pound pony tail. Do you think those players were worth that sort of money? Whether you do or not is neither here nor there, they actually did cost that sort of money.

Hooper has Championship experience, scored more in the Championship than Carroll did when he was there. Even if you don't rate the SPL, he has scored 7 goals in 16 Euro games. He was picked for the England squad but got injured. If he stays 'til the summer at least, when Celtic play Juventus everyone will be watching because there is no English team playing the same night. If he performs well they'll pick him again for England.

Obviously in the event that he doesn't sign a new deal as his contract runs down his value will depreciate. However right now in this transfer window, I would say he's worth a hell of a lot more than 5-7 million.

Celtic don't need to sell, it will take silly money to part with him right now. If they don't get offered silly money for him, they can keep him. If he doesn't sign a new deal and his contract begins to run down, Celtic can afford to take the hit on that now.

bobbysands81 · 20-01-2013 09:22PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Paltry? He's worth 6-7 tops. The only player in your squad who could command a larger fee is Wanyama.

I can see this going through before the window, he's worth 6-7 tops but Lawell is exactly the guy who can squeeze a bit extra.

He's worth 6-7 because he's out of contract Summer 2014 or he's worth 6-7 tops?

I don't rate Hooper as highly as most Celtic fans but 6-7 is a bit on the low side.

Surely Forster is worth more than 6-7?

bobbysands81 · 20-01-2013 09:25PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Jordan Rhodes went to Blackburn for 8 million, he had only played at League 1 level up 'til then. Darren Bent 19 million, Andy Carroll the 35 million pound pony tail. Do you think those players were worth that sort of money? Whether you do or not is neither here nor there, they actually did cost that sort of money.

Hooper has Championship experience, scored more in the Championship than Carroll did when he was there. Even if you don't rate the SPL, he has scored 7 goals in 16 Euro games. He was picked for the England squad but got injured. If he stays 'til the summer at least, when Celtic play Juventus everyone will be watching because there is no English team playing the same night. If he performs well they'll pick him again for England.

Obviously in the event that he doesn't sign a new deal as his contract runs down his value will depreciate. However right now in this transfer window, I would say he's worth a hell of a lot more than 5-7 million.

Celtic don't need to sell, it will take silly money to part with him right now. If they don't get offered silly money for him, they can keep him. If he doesn't sign a new deal and his contract begins to run down, Celtic can afford to take the hit on that now.

Fantastic post.

TheBuilder · 20-01-2013 11:30PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

He's worth 6-7 because he's out of contract Summer 2014 or he's worth 6-7 tops?

I don't rate Hooper as highly as most Celtic fans but 6-7 is a bit on the low side.

Surely Forster is worth more than 6-7?

6-7 on terms his contract and the fact he is playing in Scotland. I already said if he was scoring these goals in England he would go for 10+ easily, but its a fact that because of the fairly low standing of Scottish football players up here just wont command massive fees like they do down south.

Its not a dig at Hooper or his ability, or anything do to with who I support, its just a realistic view on how we're viewed in Scotland, especially by English clubs.

Completely forgot about Forster mate, easily a 10 million keeper imo.

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-01-2013 02:27AM

Lennonist wrote: »

Jordan Rhodes went to Blackburn for 8 million, he had only played at League 1 level up 'til then. Darren Bent 19 million, Andy Carroll the 35 million pound pony tail. Do you think those players were worth that sort of money? Whether you do or not is neither here nor there, they actually did cost that sort of money.

Hooper has Championship experience, scored more in the Championship than Carroll did when he was there. Even if you don't rate the SPL, he has scored 7 goals in 16 Euro games. He was picked for the England squad but got injured. If he stays 'til the summer at least, when Celtic play Juventus everyone will be watching because there is no English team playing the same night. If he performs well they'll pick him again for England.

Obviously in the event that he doesn't sign a new deal as his contract runs down his value will depreciate. However right now in this transfer window, I would say he's worth a hell of a lot more than 5-7 million.

Celtic don't need to sell, it will take silly money to part with him right now. If they don't get offered silly money for him, they can keep him. If he doesn't sign a new deal and his contract begins to run down, Celtic can afford to take the hit on that now.

Hey i dont disagree with anything you've said but no point having a go at Norwich for their bid. They're trying to get him as cheap as possible and why wouldnt they? If he goes in this window i hope we get more than 7 million for him but i really dont think we will.

lubo_moravcik · 21-01-2013 12:01PM

Our CSC had a great wee trip over to Glasgow there at the weekend, getting it right up that Hearts mob made it all the sweeter.
Anyone heading over for the Semi against St Mirren next weekend?

Carroller · 21-01-2013 12:12PM

Hearing Norwich raised their bid to £7 million for Gary Hooper.

Lennonist · 21-01-2013 01:03PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Hey i dont disagree with anything you've said but no point having a go at Norwich for their bid. They're trying to get him as cheap as possible and why wouldnt they? If he goes in this window i hope we get more than 7 million for him but i really dont think we will.

Celtic have decisions to make on changing direction. They should be looking to place a premium on the heads of their players, if other clubs come looking for them. If it's the case that EPL clubs wont offer adequate money for Celtic players like Hooper, then Celtic should just keep him and let him run his contract down and set a precedent on other talented players that they have. Obviously they wouldn't be doing this in every case, but every case is different. It's worth about 30 million a year for Celtic just to play in the CL Group stages. If Hooper is a pivotal figure in getting Celtic to that Group Stage then what's the point in accepting 5-7, unless they have a ready made replacement lined up.

If an EPL club wants him bad enough they will offer more, also I reckon other EPL clubs will begin to show an interest and drive the price up. Hooper will eventually get his chance to play in the EPL that he seems to want, but with CL revenue Celtic can now afford to conduct these matters more on their terms. It's all a matter of judgement, but that's the way I'd be looking at it.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/204436-celtic-stand-to-make-30m-from-uefa-for-success-in-champions-league/

RoryMac · 21-01-2013 01:22PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Celtic have decisions to make on changing direction. They should be looking to place a premium on the heads of their players, if other clubs come looking for them. If it's the case that EPL clubs wont offer adequate money for Celtic players like Hooper, then Celtic should just keep him and let him run his contract down and set a precedent on other talented players that they have. Obviously they wouldn't be doing this in every case, but every case is different. It's worth about 30 million a year for Celtic just to play in the CL Group stages. If Hooper is a pivotal figure in getting Celtic to that Group Stage then what's the point in accepting 5-7, unless they have a ready made replacement lined up.

If an EPL club wants him bad enough they will offer more, also I reckon other EPL clubs will begin to show an interest and drive the price up. Hooper will eventually get his chance to play in the EPL that he seems to want, but with CL revenue Celtic can now afford to conduct these matters more on their terms. It's all a matter of judgement, but that's the way I'd be looking at it.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/204436-celtic-stand-to-make-30m-from-uefa-for-success-in-champions-league/

I agree that Celtic need to maximize the fees they receive when selling players like Hooper but IMO they also need to be reasonable in what they expect, I think in Hooper's case we should hold onto him if possible until the end of the season but a bid of around £7 - 8m with a few addons would be fine for me.

I think we need to accept that we bought players like Hooper, Forster, Wanyama etc so that we could make a decent profit after a few years and the fact that some of these players are attracting interest from the EPL will do us no harm, it will help our cause in attracting other young talent that might otherwise choose lower EPL teams.

Hopefully Hooper will set his sights a little higher than Norwich and see out the season. If he decides to go I'm not hugely concerned we've plenty of time in the summer to find a replacement.

Lennonist · 21-01-2013 02:05PM

RoryMac wrote: »

I agree that Celtic need to maximize the fees they receive when selling players like Hooper but IMO they also need to be reasonable in what they expect, I think in Hooper's case we should hold onto him if possible until the end of the season but a bid of around £7 - 8m with a few addons would be fine for me.

I think we need to accept that we bought players like Hooper, Forster, Wanyama etc so that we could make a decent profit after a few years and the fact that some of these players are attracting interest from the EPL will do us no harm, it will help our cause in attracting other young talent that might otherwise choose lower EPL teams.

Hopefully Hooper will set his sights a little higher than Norwich and see out the season. If he decides to go I'm not hugely concerned we've plenty of time in the summer to find a replacement.

Selling him in the summer with one year left on his contract for 8 million is fine. Selling him for 5-7 in January to Norwich with the Juve tie coming up in a few weeks is not good business in my view.

If there isn't a better offer than that in the summer just keep him, because he's worth more to Celtic to keep him under those circumstances. As for selling him in January, I'd say at least 10 million or no deal, anything less doesn't make sense.

RoryMac · 21-01-2013 02:23PM

I agree in regards to this transfer window but if the player has no intention of signing a new deal then he should be sold to the highest bidder in the summer. Letting him run down his contract and leave on a free in 18 months I don't think is an option.

Lennonist · 21-01-2013 02:56PM

RoryMac wrote: »

I agree in regards to this transfer window but if the player has no intention of signing a new deal then he should be sold to the highest bidder in the summer. Letting him run down his contract and leave on a free in 18 months I don't think is an option.

Like I said it's worth nearly 30 million a year to Celtic to play in the CL Group stages. There's an argument to be made that keeping top players to achieve that makes sense if the offer for players isn't lucrative enough or replacements aren't immediately available - even if their contract is running down. It's a bit of a balancing act, accessing that CL Group Stage revenue every season is the priority, they don't want to be going backways.

ColeTrain · 21-01-2013 04:07PM

I'd be happy to take 8million plus a few clauses for hooper. If he doesn't sign a new contract then we have to be realistic and get a good price

lubo_moravcik · 21-01-2013 04:07PM

Izzy passed his driving test

Pompey Magnus · 21-01-2013 04:17PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

I'd be happy to take 8million plus a few clauses for hooper. If he doesn't sign a new contract then we have to be realistic and get a good price

We will need as much money in the bank as possible once Ally McCoist gets hold of his second war chest since getting the Rangers job!

Camac Hibs · 21-01-2013 07:15PM

Lovin the Green Brigade's banners at the weekend chaps, good work

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TheBuilder · 21-01-2013 07:39PM

Hooper out Austin in? Not a bad bit of business if it was to happen.

Efe Ambrose sent off in the ACON for Nigeria

bobbysands81 · 22-01-2013 11:02AM

TheBuilder wrote: »

6-7 on terms his contract and the fact he is playing in Scotland. I already said if he was scoring these goals in England he would go for 10+ easily, but its a fact that because of the fairly low standing of Scottish football players up here just wont command massive fees like they do down south.

Its not a dig at Hooper or his ability, or anything do to with who I support, its just a realistic view on how we're viewed in Scotland, especially by English clubs.

Completely forgot about Forster mate, easily a 10 million keeper imo.

I'd agree with everything you say there mo chara.

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