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VRT and Road Tax Evasion

  • 19-01-2013 9:13pm
    #1
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭


    I will keep this short.
    A guy around the corner from my friend is driving a UK registered 4x4 for the last two years it is not taxed or nct`d. My friend has reported this to the Gardai and Customs. Both said they would look into it, the customs man also said they could not take the car from the drive but would have to get it on the road and did not have the resources to put a man on it. The exchequer has lost over 2k in road tax and probably even more on VRT. Any advice ?


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  • #2
    puzzle factory
    Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭puzzle factory


    find a hobby and leave the man in peace.


  • #3
    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Is he normally resident in Ireland?


  • #4
    are you serious
    Registered Users Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭are you serious


    puzzle factory wrote: »
    find a hobby and leave the man in peace.

    Lol'd a lot at this, cheers!!


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    I will keep this short.
    A guy around the corner from my friend is driving a UK registered 4x4 for the last two years it is not taxed or nct`d. My friend has reported this to the Gardai and Customs. Both said they would look into it, the customs man also said they could not take the car from the drive but would have to get it on the road and did not have the resources to put a man on it. The exchequer has lost over 2k in road tax and probably even more on VRT. Any advice ?

    If you know where he works you could phone Revenue or the Gardaí or both when he leaves the house. They could maybe intercept him along the way.


  • #6
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    not the best way to get someone caught by authorities.. albeit it justified.

    using your full name on a public forum


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  • #7
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Sounds like you may need to take the law into your own hands.

    I'd recommend hiring one of these bad boys and crushing it yourself.

    http://www.americanrecycler.com/0110/040spotlight.shtml

    Imagine the look on the tax evaders face when he comes hope to a crushed vehicle.


  • #8
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    puzzle factory wrote: »
    find a hobby and leave the man in peace.

    I did not expect to find such "pro criminal" sentiment in this forum. Lesson learned.


  • #9
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    foreign wrote: »
    If you know where he works you could phone Revenue or the Gardaí or both when he leaves the house. They could maybe intercept him along the way.

    He does not work, he is on the "refugee dole" or whatever the correct term is.


  • #10
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    goldie fish wrote: »
    Is he normally resident in Ireland?

    Yes.


  • #11
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    not the best way to get someone caught by authorities.. albeit it justified.

    using your full name on a public forum

    I have nothing to hide, I pay road tax I live a clean life and cannot understand why others do not do the same.


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  • #12
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    are you serious wrote: »
    Lol'd a lot at this, cheers!!

    So you are condoning Tax evasion ? Do you evade Tax too ?


  • #13
    ManMade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭ManMade


    I much prefer the idea of the guards using their resources on actual criminals and customs on actual smugglers. Not some guy trying to save a few bob on his car.


  • #14
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    ManMade wrote: »
    I much prefer the idea of the guards using their resources on actual criminals and customs on actual smugglers. Not some guy trying to save a few bob on his car.

    Its more than a few bob. Its 1k per year for two years. VRT of maybe 2k plus the vehicle has no NCT etc
    Is 4k really just a few bob to you ? I have seen drug busts in the paper where they got less. I am very surprised by the pro criminal sentiment in this forum. What if he was bringing in 4k of cigarettes is that ok sure why not 4k of drugs ? The law is the law.


  • #15
    An Cigire
    Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭An Cigire


    More importantly is this vehicle insured if it is not yet registered in state?


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    I agree with OP.
    Fair play for having some balls and pointing out others who are doing the wrong thing.
    I'm always surprised with the reaction people have about car Tax, plenty of people avoiding it in this country.

    I also disagree with the way our government tax older cars in an effort to get people to buy newer ones but that's for another thread.


  • #17
    sandin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭sandin


    Unless you know all aspects if the situation I don't think you can make such a libelous statement.

    Maybe he has permission to have it here, possibly he has work interests in the UK, possibly he is still domiciled in the UK but temporarily living here.

    Frankly it is none of your business.


  • #18
    jsd1004
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jsd1004


    sandin wrote: »
    Unless you know all aspects if the situation I don't think you can make such a libelous statement.

    Maybe he has permission to have it here, possibly he has work interests in the UK, possibly he is still domiciled in the UK but temporarily living here.

    Frankly it is none of your business.

    Yes. It is not your business anymore. You suspect a crime is being committed and you have reported it. Now let the Gardai and customs deal with it.


  • #19
    ManMade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭ManMade


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »

    Its more than a few bob. Its 1k per year for two years. VRT of maybe 2k plus the vehicle has no NCT etc
    Is 4k really just a few bob to you ? I have seen drug busts in the paper where they got less. I am very surprised by the pro criminal sentiment in this forum. What if he was bringing in 4k of cigarettes is that ok sure why not 4k of drugs ? The law is the law.
    In the scheme of things 4k is nothing to customs, stop trying to force them to waste their limited resources on such small sum if money. Cigarettes and drugs actively fund criminal activity. Cigarettes and drugs harm people and family's. Driving a uk reg car doesn't. For all you know he has a genuine and legal reason for having the car. Until he is proven guilty he is innocent and am not pro criminal. Really you should mind your own business.


  • #20
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    sandin wrote: »
    Unless you know all aspects if the situation I don't think you can make such a libelous statement.

    Maybe he has permission to have it here, possibly he has work interests in the UK, possibly he is still domiciled in the UK but temporarily living here.

    Frankly it is none of your business.

    If you read my posts you would understand he has no work interests anywhere. And it is our business, the vehicle IS insured but not taxed or Nct`d and is on UK plates. I know all aspects of the situation.


  • #21
    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    He does not work, he is on the "refugee dole" or whatever the correct term is.

    Ah, He is a foreigner, and you are a racist.

    I understand now.


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  • #22
    pa990
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭pa990


    goldie fish wrote: »

    Ah, He is a foreigner, and you are a racist.

    I understand now.

    That's stretching it goldie,

    can someone not complain about a person of different ethnicity without that card being played.


  • #23
    are you serious
    Registered Users Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭are you serious


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »

    So you are condoning Tax evasion ? Do you evade Tax too ?

    My apologies I didn't read the forum charter, missed the no sense of humour allowed part.
    I would like you to point out to me where I stated I condone tax evasion?

    Noel I'm very curious to know what is refugee dole?
    Is it not the same as normal dole??

    For the topic at hand what is the need to let us know if he is a refugee or not?

    How do you even know if he is an actual refugee?

    Have you thought he may actually be legal here and not a refugee? He may be here long enough now to claim residency so in fact he may even be an Irish citizen!


  • #24
    Bluefang
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Bluefang


    Mind Your Own Business Noel.

    Most ordinary people in this country despise informers, touts etc what ever you may wish to call them.

    Holyier than thou types are not well thought of either.

    If you see the bigger picture - there are people who have destroyed this country socially economically for generations to come, so why don't you express your moral indignation at a different forum or better still, participate in the next demo outside our legislature in Leinster house to demand that the politicial pygmies, bankers and speculators etc etc get their rightful comuppances.


  • #25
    gutteruu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭gutteruu


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    If you read my posts you would understand he has no work interests anywhere. And it is our business, the vehicle IS insured but not taxed or Nct`d and is on UK plates. I know all aspects of the situation.

    I drive a UK reg van in Ireland for the last 3 years. I'm sure there has been people like you pissed off about it, but I work for a UK company which very few would know. It would be illegal for us to transfer the plates to Ireland and we couldn't get insurance. Also he cannot get insurance on a UK reg in Ireland for that long a period so there must be a valid use, series of 6 month exemptions or insured with UK company with special exemption to drive in Ireland permanently.


  • #26
    repsol
    Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭repsol


    sandin wrote: »
    Unless you know all aspects if the situation I don't think you can make such a libelous statement.

    Maybe he has permission to have it here, possibly he has work interests in the UK, possibly he is still domiciled in the UK but temporarily living here.

    Frankly it is none of your business.

    How is it "libelous" to say something about a person who has not been named or identified in any way?It is the OP's business as he is a tax payer and is therefore subsidizing this freeloader and all the other freeloaders. The Govt needs a certain figure from tax.As the number of tax payers decreases,the amount each one pays increases.
    The guy is here 2 years so your points about being temporarily here wrong imo.
    I like the way you are so strong on some aspects of the law such as libel and then so relaxed about other aspects of law such as tax compliance.:rolleyes:


  • #27
    gutteruu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭gutteruu


    repsol wrote: »

    How is it "libelous" to say something about a person who has not been named or identified in any way?It is the OP's business as he is a tax payer and is therefore subsidizing this freeloader and all the other freeloaders. The Govt needs a certain figure from tax.As the number of tax payers decreases,the amount each one pays increases.
    The guy is here 2 years so your points about being temporarily here wrong imo.
    I like the way you are so strong on some aspects of the law such as libel and then so relaxed about other aspects of law such as tax compliance.:rolleyes:

    Because like my UK reg he might be here absolutely legally and could even be contributing to the exchequer more than any of us. He could work from home for all we know. Your automatically assuming what you want to think.


  • #28
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    gutteruu wrote: »
    I drive a UK reg van in Ireland for the last 3 years. I'm sure there has been people like you pissed off about it, but I work for a UK company which very few would know. It would be illegal for us to transfer the plates to Ireland and we couldn't get insurance. Also he cannot get insurance on a UK reg in Ireland for that long a period so there must be a valid use, series of 6 month exemptions or insured with UK company with special exemption to drive in Ireland permanently.
    Are you certain that Irish Customs accept your current position as legal? I understood that you couldn't drive a UK-reg car if you were living here in ROI.
    sandin wrote: »
    Maybe he has permission to have it here, possibly he has work interests in the UK, possibly he is still domiciled in the UK but temporarily living here.
    As I understand it, there are no legal excemptions for any of the scenarios you've outlined.

    OP - Illegitimi non carborundum! Who did you contact in Revenue and how? I managed to get a response to a complaint about UK-reg cars at a Dublin address from dubinvestig@revenue.ie. The cars disappeared from that particular front garden a few weeks after my complaint, so I assume that Revenue took some action.


  • #29
    gutteruu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭gutteruu


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Are you certain that Irish Customs accept your current position as legal? I understood that you couldn't drive a UK-reg car if you were living here in ROI

    Yep. The company spent weeks trying to figure it out with revenue. They are so unbelievably and totally incompetant when it comes to this its embarrassing. My company were happy to transfer it to irish plates but can't get insurance if we do. Eventually they said just drive away as they can't find a reason why not. Boss got so pissed off he almost cancelled the job.


  • #30
    repsol
    Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭repsol


    gutteruu wrote: »
    Because like my UK reg he might be here absolutely legally and could even be contributing to the exchequer more than any of us. He could work from home for all we know. Your automatically assuming what you want to think.

    But its not libelous unless we know who the OP is talking about.Yeah he is probably paying loads to the Exchequer and his chauffeur forgot to tax and register his jeep when he was taxing the Bentley.:rolleyes: I wonder would all the pro tax dodger people on here be so forgiving if the guy with no NCT ran into them because he has no NCT and his vehicle is more than likely defective.


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  • #31
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    I did not expect to find such "pro criminal" sentiment in this forum. Lesson learned.

    If going around policing other peoples cars is your interest, I have a feeling the lesson to be learned still awaits you, unless of course you can continue to slither around un-noticed checking tax discs in your area.


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