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Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

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  • #1442
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    don't suppose anyone has a spare ticket for the moscow game going handy?! ha!


  • #1443
    TheBuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    To be fair brewster, i as a rangers fan am not looking for an apology. I feel slightly sorry for the hoards of celtic fans who hung onto the words of an anonymous blogger, of Phil MacGiollaGob****e, of Alex Thomson.

    Those people have been let down. Led to believe that this case was clear cut, that we were cheats, that we had illegaly obtained titles and champions league football.

    I particularly feel sorry for the likes of Paulo and Rory who held a particularly objective view throughout the case and had thoughts on the best of their own club, not on the worst for my club.

    For me, it is done now. This thread, and last seasons for the pedants, has had many digs at my club, the bitterness and hatred has shown in many posters, some with no affiliation to Celtic Football Club, some with that boiling hatred shown in this, the rangers and admin threads.

    Our fans have kept rangers football club alive, and those to blame will be held accountable.

    We are Rangers Football Club, and we will be back.


  • #1444
    BhoscaCapall
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭BhoscaCapall


    I'm not overly interested in it but didn't Rangers lose the "wee tax case"? If so then they are tax cheats, end of.

    Also, from what I've heard there has been no ruling regarding the improper registration of players and possible title stripping. I understand it's been a prolonged era of humiliation for Rangers fans recently but they seem to be celebrating things that haven't happened yet. The years of spending outside their means, the small tax case, and Whyte's masterplan all led to the extinction of their club. The only people with cause to celebrate this recent verdict are Murray and the legal team.


  • #1445
    Brewster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    It is typical of the some bhoys to hide behind the pathetic excuse of me posting in wrong thread! Some were quite happy to abuse me on the Celtic thread just for having the gall to defend Sir David Murray and his legitimate use of EBTs. I was wronged on this very thread and not one person has had the good grace to admit this. Instead we have this smokescreen....


  • #1446
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Brewster, we had the gall to previously point out to you that you were posting in the wrong thread, continued to post in the wrong thread and still insist to post in the wrong thread. It is gone beyond ignorance at this stage and it must be something else.

    Spouting pish like 'I was wronged and nobody has apologised to me' makes you like a mammary gland


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  • #1447
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Brewster wrote: »
    It is typical of the some bhoys to hide behind the pathetic excuse of me posting in wrong thread! Some were quite happy to abuse me on the Celtic thread just for having the gall to defend Sir David Murray and his legitimate use of EBTs. I was wronged on this very thread and not one person has had the good grace to admit this. Instead we have this smokescreen....

    Well Brewster let me be the first to say.....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk


  • #1448
    Brewster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Brewster, we had the gall to previously point out to you that you were posting in the wrong thread, continued to post in the wrong thread and still insist to post in the wrong thread. It is gone beyond ignorance at this stage and it must be something else.

    Spouting pish like 'I was wronged and nobody has apologised to me' makes you like a mammary gland

    Yeah only after I was told I didn't know what I was talking about!! You can't dish it out ADIG, be proved WRONG, and then continue to offer insults. No accountability for your actions at all. Where's the justice?


  • #1449
    SomethingElse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    Brewster wrote: »
    Yeah only after I was told I didn't know what I was talking about!! You can't dish it out ADIG, be proved WRONG, and then continue to offer insults. No accountability for your actions at all. Where's the justice?

    You've made about ten posts now in less than 24 hours, none of which have anything to do with Celtic. There is a thread available here that is discussing the subject of your posts http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056548098

    It's looking like Scott Brown will be going for surgery. With him and Wanyama missing from the midfield it's going to take a big effort to dispatch Spartak


  • #1450
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Brewster wrote: »
    Yeah only after I was told I didn't know what I was talking about!! You can't dish it out ADIG, be proved WRONG, and then continue to offer insults. No accountability for your actions at all. Where's the justice?

    Brewster I am quite happy to address any of the specific issues you have in the other thread. You will have to trawl through the posts and copy them into the Rangers admin thread. The facts do not lie though - this judgement was a 2-1 majority that ruled that the payments to staff were loans with the expectation of pay back. You might want to read the paper the dissenting judge wrote as well


  • #1451
    BhoscaCapall
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭BhoscaCapall


    Brewster wrote: »
    for having the gall to defend Sir David Murray and his legitimate use of EBTs.
    But it wasn't legitimate, as he was supposed to declare all player earnings to the SFA and he did not. Legitimate in the world of taxation maybe, but crooks getting away with fiddling the numbers is hardly a new concept. Legitimate in the footballing world - apparently not.

    If everything was so above board, why didn't Rangers hand over the necessary documents and get this whole farce put to bed so long ago?

    It's not often you can rely on the Scottish FA to deliver justice, and even rarer when it's Rangers involved. Interesting to say the least.


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  • #1452
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    But it wasn't legitimate, as he was supposed to declare all player earnings to the SFA and he did not. Legitimate in the world of taxation maybe, but crooks getting away with fiddling the numbers is hardly a new concept. Legitimate in the footballing world - apparently not.

    If everything was so above board, why didn't Rangers hand over the necessary documents and get this whole farce put to bed so long ago?

    It's not often you can rely on the Scottish FA to deliver justice, and even rarer when it's Rangers involved. Interesting to say the least.

    We were never charged with tax evasion as far as I know we were also found innocent of the EBT scheme. As for the dual contracts that is still an ongoing case by the SPL/SFA which has now been delayed until next year and until then you are wrong to say we have cheated lets wait until that has been dealt with before jumping in with two feet. After all a few did that with the big tax case and are now in the main keeping quiet about it


  • #1453
    BhoscaCapall
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭BhoscaCapall


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    We were never charged with tax evasion
    Yes you were. Players such as Flo and de Boer had a "Discounted Options Scheme" and Rangers were taken to court for it.
    As for the dual contracts that is still an ongoing case by the SPL/SFA which has now been delayed until next year and until then you are wrong to say we have cheated lets wait until that has been dealt with before jumping in with two feet.
    Fair enough, presumption of innocence and all that. Lets face it though, it's not the first time the club will have escaped punishment against all odds.

    Personally I am fairly indifferent. I don't mean to stick the boot in here but regardless of all the tax stuff, the fact is Rangers were heavily in debt and that was a direct result of trying to keep up with Celtic. Even if the tax 'reduction' was legal it still shows how desperate they were. They essentially had an apparently-legal £40-50m head start (some of that figure might have been HMRC penalties but its still in the tens of million) and still ran up massive debts and only managed to match our domestic success. Their club is gone now in my eyes (if you hold a different opinion so be it, that is my view and the view of most neutrals), any further legal penalties would just be flogging a dead club horse.

    As for title stripping, if it happens then I will be happy in that those were titles we were cheated out of but if it doesn't, again, I'm not overly fussed as I know which position I'd rather be in.


  • #1454
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Yes you were. Players such as Flo and de Boer had a "Discounted Options Scheme" and Rangers were taken to court for it.


    Fair enough, presumption of innocence and all that. Lets face it though, it's not the first time the club will have escaped punishment against all odds.

    Personally I am fairly indifferent. I don't mean to stick the boot in here but regardless of all the tax stuff, the fact is Rangers were heavily in debt and that was a direct result of trying to keep up with Celtic. Even if the tax 'reduction' was legal it still shows how desperate they were. They essentially had an apparently-legal £40-50m head start (some of that figure might have been HMRC penalties but its still in the tens of million) and still ran up massive debts and only managed to match our domestic success. Their club is gone now in my eyes (if you hold a different opinion so be it, that is my view and the view of most neutrals), any further legal penalties would just be flogging a dead club horse.

    As for title stripping, if it happens then I will be happy in that those were titles we were cheated out of but if it doesn't, again, I'm not overly fussed as I know which position I'd rather be in.[/QUOT

    I am happy with our position and if we get stripped of titles so be it we must be guilty for it to happen


  • #1455
    BhoscaCapall
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭BhoscaCapall


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    I am happy with our position and if we get stripped of titles so be it we must be guilty for it to happen
    Again, you are entitled to your opinion but I think you are codding me if you're saying you're happy to have your club liquidated and start again in the bottom tier of Scottish football.

    Unless you are one of the extremely rare breed of Rangers fan who embraces the opportunity to start afresh.


  • #1456
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Brewster wrote: »

    Glorious response. Just when I think things couldn't get any worse, Lubo arrives! This would be same 'troll' had the balls to stand up the nonsense being peddled on this thread yet, was proven correct, asked for an apology on the same thread he was ridiculed on, only for every diversion tactic in the book to be used to avoid the issue. I hope some Celtic fans like the taste of eggs, because they are wearing some amount of it following Tuesday's first tier tax tribunal decision...
    Careful now Brewster, your neutrality is showing....


  • #1457
    Brewster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    RoryMac wrote: »
    Careful now Brewster, your neutrality is showing....

    Rory, I am absolutely seething about how I was treated on here at times. This is the ONLY thread on the entire world wide wide where I get any grief. Some Celtic fans admitted I got an unfair time on here FFS! What does that tell you? It is typical of some on here, that even at this stage after what has happened recently that you seek to question my neutrality!! Unreal. Ultimately I don't give a rats about the FTT tax tribunal, it doesnt affect me in the slightest. What I do care about is me and the attitude of some Celtic fans towards me over many years. I have been ridiculed on here, especially at the time I defended Rangers over their use of EBT scheme, of course I am going to take satisfaction in the fact that my many detractors were proved wrong and then some.They call it human nature I'm afraid.


  • #1458
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Brewster, the main reason you get called up on this thread is your inability to understand the fundamentals of Boards.ie. You insist on posting stuff about Rangers (telling Celtic fans how great David Murray is etc) on the Celtic thread when there is a Rangers thread to fawn over him or the administration/liquidation thread to discuss how great it is that Rangers are using tax avoidance techniques to gain the advantage.

    Also your posting style tends to be 'Something about Celtic then what about Rangers this and Rangers that'

    You fail to understand that there are threads for certain things and insist on ignoring all advice from users and the guidelines on the site.


  • #1459
    Brewster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Brewster, the main reason you get called up on this thread is your inability to understand the fundamentals of Boards.ie. You insist on posting stuff about Rangers (telling Celtic fans how great David Murray is etc) on the Celtic thread when there is a Rangers thread to fawn over him or the administration/liquidation thread to discuss how great it is that Rangers are using tax avoidance techniques to gain the advantage.

    Also your posting style tends to be 'Something about Celtic then what about Rangers this and Rangers that'

    You fail to understand that there are threads for certain things and insist on ignoring all advice from users and the guidelines on the site.

    Scottish football has always been Celtic this Rangers that to me ADIG, its just the way it is for me. I am here questioning SOME Celtic fans attitude to me, for this reason it is more relevant to the Celtic thread than any other thread in my view. You'd swear I was a frequent poster on here or something! I have it made perfectly clear why I posted my views here, there is no side agenda..


  • #1460
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    how great it is that Rangers are using tax avoidance techniques to gain the advantage.

    Sow me a business in the world, that doesnt to some extent use Tax Avoidance Techniques.
    That's what accountants are payed for.


  • #1461
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    why is this being discussed on the Celtic thread? It is actually quite tedious.


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  • #1462
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    why is this being discussed on the Celtic thread? It is actually quite tedious.

    meh, just replying to a comment.


  • #1463
    BhoscaCapall
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭BhoscaCapall


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Sow me a business in the world, that doesnt to some extent use Tax Avoidance Techniques.
    That's what accountants are payed for.
    As it has been determined to be legal (pending appeal), you are right. Celtic fans (or anyone else) do not have grounds to say what Rangers did was illegal. But if you put the legal stuff to one side, on merely a sporting level Rangers held a massive advantage over every other side and yet could not pull ahead and even ended up liquidated.

    Celtic fans might not have a legal high ground to stand on but they certainly have bragging rights. We're overachieving on an international stage in the Champions League while you lads are struggling to win in the lowest league in the country.


  • #1464
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Dear all

    As you may be aware, the Green Brigade will not be in attendance at the next two home games (beginning with Inverness) in protest at the continuing harassment of them by Strathclyde Police/FoCus.

    The Trust, along with other supporter organisations, is calling on all supporters to stand up at the 12th minute in solidarity with the Green Brigade and all those fans who are being targetted and hounded by the police.

    Best wishes

    Jeanette Findlay
    Chair, Celtic Trust


  • #1465
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Brewster wrote: »
    Scottish football has always been Celtic this Rangers that to me ADIG, its just the way it is for me. I am here questioning SOME Celtic fans attitude to me, for this reason it is more relevant to the Celtic thread than any other thread in my view. You'd swear I was a frequent poster on here or something! I have it made perfectly clear why I posted my views here, there is no side agenda..

    Brewster, with respect, people disagreeing with you or not apologising to you does not constitute bad treatment. Besides, I don't quite understand what you want an apology for. Just because your opinion is different to others doesn't mean you are due an apology.

    I have no problem personally with you posting on here with regard to Celtic, but you have to admit that most of your posts on here are related to Rangers, I'd say easily 75% of them. Of course that's going to wind people up and get the reaction that you get - can you not see that?

    As for not being a regular poster, that's even more to the point, you drop by purely when you have something to get off your chest, rather than being a regular who has a lot of posts here. Couple that with the constant posts about Rangers, how do you think people are going to view you? I'm not trying to offend you here, but think about it, if you infrequently drop by to a Celtic thread to talk about Rangers, Sir David, Sir Alex and pretty much anything non-Celtic or pretty much anyone with a "Sir" before their name, what sort of reaction do you expect?


  • #1466
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    The Scottish Media are reporting that Scotti Brown is going to delay surgery until after the Spartak game. I kinda suspected he'd do this but I dunno whether to be proud that he's putting his body on the line for the club for so long or to call him a fool tbh. Ledley & Kayal in the centre are more than capable of doing the job on Spartak.


  • #1467
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Dempsey wrote: »
    The Scottish Media are reporting that Scotti Brown is going to delay surgery until after the Spartak game. I kinda suspected he'd do this but I dunno whether to be proud that he's putting his body on the line for the club for so long or to call him a fool tbh. Ledley & Kayal in the centre are more than capable of doing the job on Spartak.

    Pointless in my opinion. He should stop playing now before he does more damage and get the surgery done. I know it will be a struggle without Wanyama in there against Spartak, but Brown really looked like his injury was holding him back the other day and he also can't last a full 90 mins at the moment. I totally understand he'd want to be a part of what could be a momentous result for us (all going well in Spain), but I think the management team has to see it as too big a risk to play him.


  • #1468
    Brewster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Brewster, with respect, people disagreeing with you or not apologising to you does not constitute bad treatment. Besides, I don't quite understand what you want an apology for. Just because your opinion is different to others doesn't mean you are due an apology.

    I have no problem personally with you posting on here with regard to Celtic, but you have to admit that most of your posts on here are related to Rangers, I'd say easily 75% of them. Of course that's going to wind people up and get the reaction that you get - can you not see that?

    As for not being a regular poster, that's even more to the point, you drop by purely when you have something to get off your chest, rather than being a regular who has a lot of posts here. Couple that with the constant posts about Rangers, how do you think people are going to view you? I'm not trying to offend you here, but think about it, if you infrequently drop by to a Celtic thread to talk about Rangers, Sir David, Sir Alex and pretty much anything non-Celtic or pretty much anyone with a "Sir" before their name, what sort of reaction do you expect?

    Paul, you have always been one of the most fair minded posters towards me here. No question. However, for you to question why I am looking for apology is silly. For months there were accusations of financial doping, cheating, tax evasion, big tax case, wait till the result of the big tax case comes out etc etc. I expressed a different view and was hounded on here for it. I was hounded for not buying into this view. I have since been proven to be 100% correct in my assertions and I believe I am perfectly entitled to bring this up now. So people were WRONG to accuse me of 'not getting it' when clearly I understood things perfectly well. I have come on here and praised Celtic to the hilt, but this is not about either club. A simple sincere apology from one or two posters and that would have been it. Done and dusted. I have always felt I have had to defend myself on this thread to the point of hostility, if perhaps people eased off on this and accepted me for who I am, I would be delighted to come in here and discuss things in a positive way rather than constant bickering. It would certainly be my wish.


  • #1469
    lubo_moravcik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Dempsey wrote: »
    The Scottish Media are reporting that Scotti Brown is going to delay surgery until after the Spartak game. I kinda suspected he'd do this but I dunno whether to be proud that he's putting his body on the line for the club for so long or to call him a fool tbh. Ledley & Kayal in the centre are more than capable of doing the job on Spartak.

    I felt personally that having Brown in the team on Wed night that it kinda unbalanced us, the stability that was there at home v Barca wasn't there.


  • #1470
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    You can't help but admire Scott Brown for trying to put the team before his own well-being, it shows that he has some of the qualities required to be a great captain and sets a good example for the rest of the players as to what is expected of them.

    The problem is that at this stage it's not helping, the leadership he shows on the pitch and I really feel he has grown in his role as captain does not out weigh the fact that he is performing below the standards required especially at Champions League level. I think Lennon needs to make the decision for Brown and get the operation done now.


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  • #1471
    stooge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭stooge


    :( the last three or four pages have been a few lads bickering about a team not relevant to this thread.

    anyway, I feel it was a missed opportunity on Tuesday. Mulgrew and Brown should not have started as they were not fit. Good delivery by Mulgrew for the goal though.

    It was a very poor performance in my opinion. Every time we got the ball we hoofed it and gave it away. On the occasion when it went to Samaras and Hooper they could not hold it up. Can't keep giving teams 30+ shots at goal and expecting to get something from the game!

    I'm hopeful about he spartak game but not optimistic about going through. Barca will have a weaker team out no doubt but I feel Benfica should be able to get a result of some sort.


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