Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

BhoscaCapall · 19-11-2012 04:57PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Benfica players are goading Celtic about the counter attacking system we use in Europe. Do they think we'll try to play an open attacking game when we dont need to? LOL

Quite frankly I thought Benfica were a complete and utter disgrace at Parkhead. Diving and time wasting against a weaker side literally within the first 10 minutes of a match.

European football is great but it's times like that I despair for it.

eire4 · 19-11-2012 06:26PM

Didn't get to watching the game until last night and I am obviously delighted with the 3 points and being back top of the league. I though the game was similar to the recent Dundee United game at Tannadice. We dominated territory and possession without creating a lot of chances in open play against a well drilled Aberdeen defence. But in the end we got the crucial opening goal and thankfully maintained our concentration to the final whistle this time. Solid workman like performance from Celtic and the perfect boost heading into tomorrow's game against Benfica.

PauloMN · 19-11-2012 08:49PM

Lads, anyone any idea what this is all about?

http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=3374

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 19-11-2012 08:51PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Lads, anyone any idea what this is all about?

http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=3374

I reckon it will be to do with the GB statement released last week

RoryMac · 19-11-2012 08:52PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Lads, anyone any idea what this is all about?

http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=3374

They must have read Bhosca's post about their treatment of the GB!

PauloMN · 19-11-2012 08:55PM

What did the GB say? (Sorry I just don't get on to any of these forums/sites these days, totally out of touch with what these fan groups are doing/saying).

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 19-11-2012 08:57PM

PauloMN wrote: »

What did the GB say? (Sorry I just don't get on to any of these forums/sites these days, totally out of touch with what these fan groups are doing/saying).

I will try and find it mate give me a minute

Dempsey · 19-11-2012 08:57PM

RoryMac wrote: »

They must have read Bhosca's post about their treatment of the GB!

this was brought up in the agm. dunno why its taken this long for a statement unless thete has been an incident

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 19-11-2012 09:00PM

PauloMN wrote: »

What did the GB say? (Sorry I just don't get on to any of these forums/sites these days, totally out of touch with what these fan groups are doing/saying).

Found this Paul

Two weeks ago, we put out the above statement about the continued harassment of the Green Brigade. The response and support we received was excellent from the rest of the Celtic support, and obviously this is something we are very grateful for.

The reason for this statement was because we felt it was time that the extent of this harassment was made public. We also hoped that Strathclyde Police would see sense and end the criminalisation of our group. Sadly, if anything, they have increased the pressure since this was released. A newspaper report last year claimed that one of their senior officers had promised to 'smash the Green Brigade' and it certainly looks like their plan is in motion.

Last Wednesday was a special night at Celtic Park. The display before the match was beyond our wildest expectations, the atmosphere was electric from start to finish and more importantly, Celtic beat arguably the best team in world football. It is a night that will live long in the memory of everyone connected to the club.

However, while the rest of the support were still on Cloud 9, our group was brought back down to Earth with a bump as it transpired that Strathclyde Police had visited yet another two members' home with a view to charging them. To put this into perspective, this means that just under 50% of the Green Brigade have either faced, or are facing a police charge/ban from football.

Last week, the first home league match since we released the initial statement, a young fan from within 111 was arrested and taken away for the 'crime' of having a water bottle inside a football stadium. When questioned about their actions, one of the senior officers within the stadium, Alex Kelly, smugly replied that "if you don't play ball, we won't play ball." In other words, this young fan was being used as a pawn in their game.

On top of that, news broke that they had also visited a fan in Liverpool having (wrongly) assumed that he was involved in the Green Brigade. Why they visited him remains unclear just now but it is something which we're looking into, and obviously concerned about.

We've also heard worrying developments involving a member of the Govan Emerald CSC, which will be revealed over the weekend in a statement from their own members. It wouldn't be right for us to comment on this any further until they have released this publically.

It has come to the stage where we have to act and fight back. We can't continue to let the Police have free reign to arrest and charge whoever they please. It is having an astronomical effect on people's livelihoods. Those members who are left without a charge can't even enjoy the football anymore in case it leads to a chap at the door that could change their lives forever. The grim reality is that if we don't act now, there may not be a group left come the end of the season.

As a result, we have no choice but to highlight this further in the form of a two-match boycott from Celtic Park. This will begin immediately and means that during the forthcoming league match V Inverness Caledonian Thistle and Scottish Cup match V Arbroath, the Green Brigade will not be present whatsoever. This is clearly not a decision that has been taken lightly. Our members live for going to watch and support the team we love, just like every other fan out there. Sadly, we aren't being treated like every other fan and in fact face victimisation and harassment on a scale that is unimaginable. We hope that this boycott will raise awareness of our situation and the end result will be that Strathclyde Police will relent. We'd also once again ask Celtic PLC to defend the fans by using their considerable influence to bring an end to these oppresive police tactics.

We would ask that everyone in Section 111 joins us in this protest and that the area is left empty during both matches. We have been very lucky in that other season-book holders within our section have supported us all the way and we hope that this will continue. Fans in this section who want to join us in protest may have to cancel their payment for the Arbroath match if they are on the home cup ticket scheme.

We'd like to stress again that this is not something that will be taken lightly. Many of our members haven't missed a Celtic match in years so it's clearly not been easy to come to this decision. However, it is simply a last resort as this cannot be allowed to continue. The continued support of those in 111, and indeed the rest of the Celtic community is greatly appreciated and we can't thank you enough. Without this, the group wouldn't have survived.

We'd also like to make it clear to those who wish to see the end of the Green Brigade, that we will be sticking by the motto created when we were formed in 2006 and will not go down without a fight.

RoryMac · 19-11-2012 09:01PM

Posting from my phone so not sure if it'll work

http://www.scotzine.com/2012/11/are-celtic-responsible-for-police-targeting-their-own-fans/

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 19-11-2012 09:03PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Posting from my phone so not sure if it'll work

http://www.scotzine.com/2012/11/are-celtic-responsible-for-police-targeting-their-own-fans/

Was just going to post that

BhoscaCapall · 19-11-2012 09:11PM

It is, therefore, simply nonsense to suggest that the Club has been in some way involved in these actions – the question should be asked, what would our motive be?

Gosh I don't know, perhaps to sanitize the support into a flock of gimpy little customers like you get down south, who turn up hand their money over and sit down quietly for 90 mins instead of "disgracing" the club with protests against the glorification of illegal wars or corruption in football.

PauloMN · 19-11-2012 09:30PM

Would be interesting to have the details of this. I think that the Govan Emerald CSC publicly naming the security chief like that and associating him with such accusations is completely out of order tbh, and totally counter-productive. Any credibility goes out the window when you read such stuff.

The GB seem to have a belief that because they bring a good atmosphere to the stadium, they can do as they please. They cannot - they have to adhere to the same rules as every other fan. Section 111 is not immune to the rules and regulations of the club, which are no different to any other clubs in Britain. If they don't like it, they should go elsewhere.

BhoscaCapall · 19-11-2012 09:38PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Would be interesting to have the details of this. I think that the Govan Emerald CSC publicly naming the security chief like that and associating him with such accusations is completely out of order tbh, and totally counter-productive. Any credibility goes out the window when you read such stuff.

How is it out of order if it's true?

The GB seem to have a belief that because they bring a good atmosphere to the stadium, they can do as they please. They cannot - they have to adhere to the same rules as every other fan.

Those 'rules' are a joke regardless of who they are applied to.

If they don't like it, they should go elsewhere.

You're an absolute disgrace to our club.

PauloMN · 19-11-2012 09:42PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

How is it out of order if it's true?

The point is, it is yet unknown if it is true or not, and even if it was true, such matters should be cleared up in private between the club and the CSC. It is of no help to anyone to be discussing this in public.

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Those 'rules' are a joke regardless of who they are applied to.

How so?

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

You're an absolute disgrace to our club.

I am?

Please enlighten me....

CSF · 19-11-2012 10:00PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Gosh I don't know, perhaps to sanitize the support into a flock of gimpy little customers like you get down south, who turn up hand their money over and sit down quietly for 90 mins instead of "disgracing" the club with protests against the glorification of illegal wars or corruption in football.

Jaysus, I'd say you're mad fun on a night out.

SomethingElse · 19-11-2012 10:01PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

You're an absolute disgrace to our club.

Hilarious

I wonder if you're worse than Benfica, they were a complete and utter disgrace.

Dempsey · 19-11-2012 10:09PM

Green Brigade are regularly warned about safety and standing in the stadium. if they are not in a standing area then they should be sitting.

the club should be trying harder to integrate a large standing section if they want more atmosphere in the stadium. they are leaving fans in the lurch with their current policies.

put them all into one section, praise them for the noise but also encoraging the police and stewards take a hard line policy against them. something not right there tbh

they are right to go public as this has been going on a good while now but there will a backlash against them if they want to be treated different to other fans.

BhoscaCapall · 19-11-2012 10:14PM

Dempsey wrote: »

but there will [be] a backlash against them if they want to be treated different to other fans.

It's the police/club/both that are treating them different to other fans. I haven't seen them asking to be treated differently, it just so happens that it's them who are being targeted. If it were happening to people sat in the Jock Stein or Janefield stands then it would be just as much of an injustice.

Is the Govan Emerald bloke even in the GB?

I've probably been one of the harsher critics of the GB in the past, mainly for being a bit up their own holes but they are in the right here and anyone who says they should go elsewhere if they won't put up with this treatment does not deserve to step foot in Parkhead.

PauloMN · 19-11-2012 10:22PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Green Brigade are regularly warned about safety and standing in the stadium. if they are not in a standing area then they should be sitting.

the club should be trying harder to integrate a large standing section if they want more atmosphere in the stadium. they are leaving fans in the lurch with their current policies.

put them all into one section, praise them for the noise but also encoraging the police and stewards take a hard line policy against them. something not right there tbh

they are right to go public as this has been going on a good while now but there will a backlash against them if they want to be treated different to other fans.

Going public is fine in general, but naming individuals is poor form imo. It's not helpful to anyone, and it's ironic that they talk about being targeted, yet are happy to target that individual on internet forums. No need for it.

PauloMN · 19-11-2012 10:27PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

I've probably been one of the harsher critics of the GB in the past, mainly for being a bit up their own holes but they are in the right here and anyone who says they should go elsewhere if they won't put up with this treatment does not deserve to step foot in Parkhead.

Maybe you should go back and read what I said.

BhoscaCapall · 19-11-2012 10:28PM

PauloMN wrote: »

it's ironic that they talk about being targeted, yet are happy to target that individual.

They talk about being unfairly targeted. If what they say is true then this individual is not being unfairly targeted. Basic stuff.

blahfckingblah · 19-11-2012 10:30PM

bit harsh calling him a disgrace to the club for having a different opinion than yours Bhosca!! celtics statement is probably one of the more vague documents i have read in a long time hah. there is a serious issue to be resolved here and I'm glad that everybodys attention has been drawn to it even if it took some hardball by the GB. Govan emerald probably shouldn't have mentioned names in a public statement like that even if the information did come from the police (it probably shouldn't have came from the police either). Quite the messy situation hope the club resolves it

PauloMN · 19-11-2012 10:36PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

They talk about being unfairly targeted. If what they say is true then this individual is not being unfairly targeted. Basic stuff.

Well I can guarantee you that naming individuals will not help their case, it just turns people off them, and will make dealings with the club very difficult.

It's a case of using a sledge-hammer to crack a nut. It's a dangerous precedent to be naming individuals in statements, and when I read it I just thought "ffs".

Personally I think a lot of it is attention seeking crap with the GB, but that's just my opinion. Anyone with a bit of sense in the GB who wanted to resolve these "issues" would not have named an individual like that.

Eirebear · 19-11-2012 10:38PM

Agent Paulo - Disgracing Celtic since 2012.

blahfckingblah · 19-11-2012 10:40PM

just to clarify pauloMN it was Govan Emerald csc not the green brigade who named him although i agree they would be in a stronger position had they left the name out.
as a matter of interest the GB claim around 50% of them have been arrested over football many of them multiple times and very few (if any) have been prosecuted

BhoscaCapall · 19-11-2012 10:42PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

bit harsh calling him a disgrace to the club for having a different opinion than yours Bhosca!!

Great way to trivialise it :rolleyes:

blahfckingblah · 19-11-2012 10:46PM

trivialise you throwing your toys out of the pram?

A Dub in Glasgo · 19-11-2012 10:59PM

Strange carry on

That statement is a direct reply to the Govan Emerald CSC statement. There are 3 possible scenarios

1. Govan Emerald CSC member has made it up or embellished the statement
2. The Police are lying
3. Celtic are lying

Now the statement from Celtic is unusual in both its language and tone

lubo_moravcik · 20-11-2012 05:28AM

on my way to Lisbon now. God bless Glasgow Celtic for allowing me these experiences, now let's let go about them

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