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Pregnant woman dies in UCHG after being refused a termination

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  • #842
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I personally think it is completely unacceptable that we let our politicians feed us, in terms of where we are going, in this manner. It couldn't be clearer that there is a policy in place now of going in a very serial manner, from one referendum to another, almost trying to look busy and pass the time, meanwhile the country falls a bit further into the economic shíts with every passing week? We seriously need to start getting our priorities right in this country or it will be last one leaving the place turn the light off.

    Or could it be that we might have a government that is responding to wishes of the people do deal with these social issues which the FF govts totally ignored while the wine was flowing. I can't see the problem with putting our house in order both economically and socially. What problem do you have with my generation and younger having a say on abortion? Or gay marriage?


  • #843
    robman60
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭robman60


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Of course the woman should be given an abortion to save her life. Abortion as a lifestyle choice is murder and the ban on abortion should continue except in cases like this where the mothers life is at risk.

    Pro-Abortionists trying to score a cheap political point off the sad death of this misfortunate woman should be ashamed of themselves. The liberals will try everything to force the abortion issue over this.

    One of the best posts I've read. People getting cheap political points on the back of this woman's death is sickening.

    There isn't as much uproar when a woman is killed by an abortionist's error or a child is born alive and left in a metal bowl until it dies. Or that a disabled child can be killed until birth in the UK. These cases are all as indefensible as this poor woman's death, but the media are clearly "favouring" certain agendas.


  • #844
    Hippies!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Hippies!


    Somewhere in the middle east right now there's a guy reading this on a news website and he's saying..."those barbaric backward westerners, hey johnny, johnny...look at this, they said "this is a catholic country" and let her die...i'm at a loss for words"


    Probably not but you get the idea.




    As in we're always thinking that we're great and so civilised and like, you know this doesn't eh display that.



    So yea.


  • #845
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    why?

    You really don't know, do you?

    It is a turning point because of the scale of the story being reported, finally, we might be dragged (in regards to abortion) kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

    We can no longer brush it under the carpet.


  • #846
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    No I'm not bitter at all, I'm just sick of the sheer sight of incompetence in this country and people like the ULA out there tonight organising a protest at the Dail in relation to the tragic death of this poor woman. A protest about what? The lack of care she received, or did she receive the very best of care? We don't know, so therefore the protest is just shít stírring. Same can be said for medical negligence, was it present or not? We don't know, but sure let's hold a protest over it anyway!

    It is a protest about the lack of legislation regarding the matter. There would be no medical negligence if the area was not so grey. The doctor has to make the call if there is a chance of death and sometimes doctors will not be 100% sure and so the choice should be made then by the patient. In this incidence the patient had no choice. Once legislation is in place then incidents like this will not occur.


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  • #847
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    robman60 wrote: »
    One of the best posts I've read. People getting cheap political points on the back of this woman's death is sickening.

    There isn't as much uproar when a woman is killed by an abortionist's error or a child is born alive and left in a metal bowl until it dies. Or that a disabled child can be killed until birth in the UK. These cases are all as indefensible as this poor woman's death, but the media are clearly "favouring" certain agendas.

    There isn't? Oh but there is. And we have the likes of ye to alert us. :rolleyes:


  • #848
    Hippies!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Hippies!


    old hippy wrote: »
    :L


  • #849
    NinjaK
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    Well done to the scum in Youth Defence, they have blood on their hands.

    why?


  • #850
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    It is a protest about the lack of legislation regarding the matter. There would be no medical negligence if the area was not so grey. The doctor has to make the call if there is a chance of death and sometimes doctors will not be 100% sure and so the choice should be made then by the patient. In this incidence the patient had no choice. Once legislation is in place then incidents like this will not occur.

    You quite obviously don't understand the X case to be honest, judging by how many factual errors in regards to it you made in such a short post.


  • #851
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Or could it be that we might have a government that is responding to wishes of the people do deal with these social issues which the FF govts totally ignored while the wine was flowing. I can't see the problem with putting our house in order both economically and socially. What problem do you have with my generation and younger having a say on abortion? Or gay marriage?

    I'm probably younger than you so you can get off your high youthful horse there for a start. Where are all these people that you can see calling for referendum after referendum while the country is economically falling apart at the seams? It's been one after the other, Lisbon 1, Lisbon II, some other load of nonsenical shít about Oireachtas enquiries, a childrens referendum that was so irellevant that only 30% of the electorate bothered turning out to vote in, put out there by a government that is impoverishing families every day and driving them into poverty with these policies of austerity and a failure to deal with a now massive unemployment problem.

    You think I want to see mates, family, friends of friends, suffering poverty, enduring completely unnecessary hardship, but I'll console myself with the fact that the gay lad across the road can now get married if he wants, not that he can afford to because the poor lad is broke 'cos he hasn't worked in 4 years?!?

    Same for this abortion referendum nonsense, it's a distraction that is continually thrown out there by people who want abortion on demand services in Ireland. And our government, who are hopelessly incapable of dealing with our economic problems, will be only too happy to keep us all occupied with this and all sorts of other side issues until their pension entitlements are safe and in the bag.


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  • #852
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Great turnout on Kildare Street in case anyone's wondering!


  • #853
    robman60
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭robman60


    old hippy wrote: »
    There isn't? Oh but there is. And we have the likes of ye to alert us. :rolleyes:

    There's very little reporting in the media. I've read your posts in the past and I know you have no acceptance for opinions that don't match yours. My point was merely that this has featured internationally while similarly horrific cases involving abortion get literally no international (or even national) coverage.


  • #854
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    robman60 wrote: »
    One of the best posts I've read. People getting cheap political points on the back of this woman's death is sickening.

    There isn't as much uproar when a woman is killed by an abortionist's error or a child is born alive and left in a metal bowl until it dies. Or that a disabled child can be killed until birth in the UK. These cases are all as indefensible as this poor woman's death, but the media are clearly "favouring" certain agendas.

    No the majority of the Irish people are favouring an agenda.....the reason your side will not consent to a referendum where abortion on demand is the question is because YOU KNOW Irish people would allow it.

    That is the cold fact. Irish people are socially liberal as a majority. We have civil partnerships for gay people and would allow marriage if let.

    You just cannot accept the Ireland of today because you are not a part of the majority.

    You guys are hilarious...it is the Dublin media bias...no the INTERNATIONAL media bias....no the electorate bias...no the worldwide electorate bias...

    You don't get it...the people of the world disagree with you.

    People WANT abortion in the UK...the majority want it in America and in Europe...


    We WANT it here ...or at least a referendum where we have the choice.


    It is not an agenda ..it is the will of the people.


    And no they don't care about the fictionalized will of a tadpole.

    The majority are biased...yes that is there position and we have an agenda...

    I would wager people would go further to cover unviable fetuses , rape incest , and where the HEALTH and not just the life of the mother is at risk.

    And i believe the majority would favour abortion on demand in the first trimester. And yes we have seen abortion pictures and films.


    It is not a secret agenda ....it is an open attempt to rectify a human rights crisis.

    The 21st century is pro-choice.....

    The media is reflecting the views of the Irish people. And to be honest it is being quite conservative.


  • #855
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    It is a protest about the lack of legislation regarding the matter. There would be no medical negligence if the area was not so grey. The doctor has to make the call if there is a chance of death and sometimes doctors will not be 100% sure and so the choice should be made then by the patient. In this incidence the patient had no choice. Once legislation is in place then incidents like this will not occur.

    But for all you know tonight, the problem could have caused by cutbacks (sound familar?!?), that caused nobody to actually know within an acceptable timeframe, that this woman had developed septicemia and therefore on that basis, her life was at risk??? :confused::confused::confused:

    How on earth you can start getting involved in protests when the chain of events that led to this tragic death is just speculation in the media, is a bit of a mystery to me...


  • #856
    OneIdea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭OneIdea


    ibarelycare wrote: »
    Great turnout on Kildare Street in case anyone's wondering!
    Just curious, whats the average age group?


  • #857
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    You probably didn't have the right to vote for the Good Friday Agreement either, maybe we should open up that whole can of worms again, just to accommodate yourself and anyone else who didn't get to vote back then? Same for the Maastrict Treaty maybe?

    No one is asking for another vote on the GFA, they are asking for another referendum on this issue. Are you implying because people vted no 20 years ago future generations shouldnt get to vote again on this issue.


  • #858
    NinjaK
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    Abortion is murder. Ireland is a Catholic country. Get over it.


  • #859
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Or could it be that we might have a government that is responding to wishes of the people do deal with these social issues which the FF govts totally ignored while the wine was flowing. I can't see the problem with putting our house in order both economically and socially. What problem do you have with my generation and younger having a say on abortion? Or gay marriage?

    Here here...

    There is a lot of truth in this statement....it is that FF govt and that gen that got is into this mess and showed such corrupt values anyway.

    Hellfire you are basically saying the economy is more important than women's lives...that is the digusting misogynistic value structure that got us into this mess.

    The economy jobs ..money forget about social progress.

    Social progress and living standards go hand in hand. The more open and honest a govt becomes the less corruption in all levels of society.

    Yay lets throw women under the bus...say yes for JOBS


  • #860
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    poeticseraphim wrote: »
    No the majority of the Irish people are favouring an agenda.....the reason your side will not consent to a referendum where abortion on demand is the question is because YOU KNOW Irish people would allow it.

    That is the cold fact. Irish people are socially liberal as a majority. We have civil partnerships for gay people and would allow marriage if let.

    You just cannot accept the Ireland of today because you are not a part of the majority.

    You guys are hilarious...it is the Dublin media bias...no the INTERNATIONAL media bias....no the electorate bias...no the worldwide electorate bias...

    You don't get it...the people of the world disagree with you.

    People WANT abortion in the UK...the majority want it in America and in Europe...


    We WANT it here ...or at least a referendum where we have the choice.


    It is not an agenda ..it is the will of the people.


    And no they don't care about the fictionalized will of a tadpole.

    The majority are biased...yes that is there position and we have an agenda...

    I would wager people would go further to cover unviable fetuses , rape incest , and where the HEALTH and not just the life of the mother is at risk.

    And i believe the majority would favour abortion on demand in the first trimester. And yes we have seen abortion pictures and films.


    It is not a secret agenda ....it is an open attempt to rectify a human rights crisis.

    The 21st century is pro-choice.....

    The media is reflecting the views of the Irish people. And to be honest it is being quite conservative.
    Eh, can you point out a single opinion poll that shows that the majority want open abortion? Any I've seen show a vast majority in favour of legislating the X case, but a slim majority still being against more general abortion.

    Very big long post there with very little (nothing) to back it up.


  • #861
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    NinjaK wrote: »
    Abortion is murder. Ireland is a Catholic country. Get over it.

    So your saying that woman deserved to die then?


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  • #862
    NinjaK
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    So your saying that woman deserved to die then?

    No.


  • #863
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    So your saying that woman deserved to die then?

    I think he is saying "look at me, I want attention" with that comment


  • #864
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    poeticseraphim wrote: »
    Hellfire you are basically saying the economy is more important than women's lives...that is the digusting misogynistic blah blah blah.
    Jesus fucking wept. :rolleyes:

    ...because the economy has nothing to do with peoples (or womens) lives.


  • #865
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    NinjaK wrote: »
    Abortion is murder. Ireland is a Catholic country. Get over it.

    It isn't. It isn't. And no.


  • #866
    Pride Fighter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    Delighted to hear there is thousands of people protesting outside the Dail atm. Fair play to them.


  • #867
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I'm probably younger than you so you can get off your high youthful horse there for a start. Where are all these people that you can see calling for referendum after referendum while the country is economically falling apart at the seams? It's been one after the other, Lisbon 1, Lisbon II, some other load of nonsenical shít about Oireachtas enquiries, a childrens referendum that was so irellevant that only 30% of the electorate bothered turning out to vote in, put out there by a government that is impoverishing families every day and driving them into poverty with these policies of austerity and a failure to deal with a now massive unemployment problem.

    At what point did I get on a high horse? You say we've already voted on these issues but if you're younger than me, clearly you haven't. Attitudes to divorce changed enough to be brought into law by referendum even though it had previously been voted on so why can't the same thing apply to abortion? I would like to see legislation brought in to clear the waters and let medical practitioners know exactly what they can and can not do in the medical treatment of pregnant women.

    You might see these referendums as nonsensical but because of the way our constitution is set up they are necessary to effect certain changes in the law.
    If this is what has to be done, so be it.
    HellFireClub wrote: »
    You think I want to see mates, family, friends of friends, suffering poverty, enduring completely unnecessary hardship, but I'll console myself with the fact that the gay lad across the road can now get married if he wants, not that he can afford to because the poor lad is broke 'cos he hasn't worked in 4 years?!?

    Same for this abortion referendum nonsense, it's a distraction that is continually thrown out there by people who want abortion on demand services in Ireland. And our government, who are hopelessly incapable of dealing with our economic problems, will be only too happy to keep us all occupied with this and all sorts of other side issues until their pension entitlements are safe and in the bag.

    I think you'll find the abortion debate is a great deal more nuanced than just those that want abortion on demand versus those that don't. Continually pointing out the state of the economy as a reason why we shouldn't have these debates is a nonsense argument. What you consider a side issue like gay rights is something that can have a major impact on a sizeable portion of the population.


  • #868
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    poeticseraphim wrote: »
    Here here...

    There is a lot of truth in this statement....it is that FF govt and that gen that got is into this mess and showed such corrupt values anyway.

    Hellfire you are basically saying the economy is more important than women's lives...that is the digusting misogynistic value structure that got us into this mess.

    The economy jobs ..money forget about social progress.

    Social progress and living standards go hand in hand. The more open and honest a govt becomes the less corruption in all levels of society.

    Yay lets throw women under the bus...say yes for JOBS

    No, I'm asking how come a government that is hell bent on impoverishing families via policies of austerity, can fúcking dare hand us a referendum that provides for the removal of kids from a family where the same state inflicted poverty can be the cause of the child being taken from the family and adopted. Fair question.

    I'm asking on similar lines, how come a state that is taking billions of Euro out of health spending, but is determined to protect some of the best paid medical people in the country via a pay deal, can be trusted to get abortion legislation right? I also wonder did HSE cutbacks play a part in the deterioration of this woman's health, or put more properly, did a delay in diagnosing the gravity of her blood condition, ultimately cause her death, again, fair question.


  • #869
    Winty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    NinjaK wrote: »
    Abortion is murder. Ireland is a Catholic country. Get over it.


    As a Protestant born in donegal have I no place in your catholic Ireland


  • #870
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Just listening to the husband speak on RTE. He has handled himself in a very dignified manner, considering the strain and grief he must be feeling.

    I'm so sorry for the poor man's loss which was absolutely needless. :(

    I will say a prayer for the poor man tonight.


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  • #871
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    NinjaK wrote: »
    Abortion is murder. Ireland is a Catholic country. Get over it.

    What a ridiculous statement to make, there is alot of Catholics in Ireland yes, however I bet the most of them would agree that it would have been better to end the unborn child's life earlier rather than threaten the life of the mother. I'm sure the unborn child suffered in the womb in its final hours also. I was born and raised Catholic and am still a believer in god, I reject the Catholic church over what they did to Children and women. This woman wasn't even Catholic and it was an absolute disgrace that this was allowed to happen in this day and age.

    People are blaming the Church, the Church had nothing to do with this, it is their belief to reject abortion and I respect that. The blame for this lays on the hands of Government and more importantly the previous Fianna Fail government who in 2002 wanted to ban Abortion outright even in cases like this and subsequently lost that referendum. Abortion in this instance is actually allowed under the terms of the X Case, however rather than legislating successive governments have tried to sweep the issue under the carpet.


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