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Pregnant woman dies in UCHG after being refused a termination

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  • #242
    banquo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Tenner bets the mods online now took one look at this thread title and opened the whiskey.

    You have my sympathy.


  • #243
    positron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭positron


    As someone from India, my most sincere sympathies and condolences to Praveen and the extended family Savita has left behind.

    Trust me when I say this - Indians would be shocked to the core to read this news in todays papers there because this sort of stuff is unheard of and unimaginable to the vast majority there. If you are going to say worse things happen in India, you are right, but it's rare, and it's less shocking as that type of stuff would be coming from the very poor, very remote and backward parts of India. If anyone with basic education, and enough means to feed and cloth themselves, failed by the system in the name of archaic religious doctrines is not only unimaginable today in India, in certain parts of the country, there would be such a strong backlash from the mourning relatives, the police would usually put the doctors involved behind the bars straight away for their own safety. A hospital or a group doctors failing a pregnant woman is absolute no-no in India, and any sign of negligence or lack of care is totally frowned up on and the law comes down heavily on them, eve if the public spares them for some unusual reason.

    Again, what an unfortunate and tragic story, and how Ireland becomes a laughing stock yet again in the international stage! :(


  • #244
    HeyThereDeliah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 967 ✭✭✭HeyThereDeliah


    This is a catholic country even if some posters might want to argue otherwise.

    My personal opinion is a woman's life should always be more important than the life of the baby she is carrying. It's sad this young woman's life ended like this in a hospital where she could have been saved.

    I understand the doctors are restricted here but unless the outcome was going to be the same someone should have saved her.

    RIP to her.


  • #245
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    HeyThereDeliah wrote: »
    This is a catholic country even if some posters might want to argue otherwise..


    No, its supposed to be a secular republic. And the sooner we make that a reality as oppossed to a phrase the better.


  • #246
    HeyThereDeliah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 967 ✭✭✭HeyThereDeliah


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, its supposed to be a secular republic. And the sooner we make that a reality as oppossed to a phrase the better.

    It's to early to argue religion, I'm having a nice cup of tea. I still don't agree btw.


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  • #247
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    HeyThereDeliah wrote: »
    It's to early to argue religion, I'm having a nice cup of tea. I still don't agree btw.

    Is that white or black tea Nodin takes his tea seriously


    Back on topic, think I will wait till the full story comes out before getting off the fence on this


  • #248
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    HeyThereDeliah wrote: »
    It's to early to argue religion, I'm having a nice cup of tea. I still don't agree btw.

    We aren't arguing religion, and you agreeing or not makes no difference to the reality. However, if you can find anything in the states constitution that declares the state "catholic" in nature, I'll gladly concede the point.


  • #249
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Sympathy & condolence to the family and RIP to the lady and baby.

    Whos is to blame?

    The CC, no.

    The HSE,no.

    The doctor,no.

    The people of Ireland, yes.

    The government, yes.

    It has been 20 years since this should have been legislated and yet the cowardly government has refuded to act on it and people generally ignore it until something like this happens and then take great glee from blaming everyone but themselves.

    The people of Ireland spoke, the government ignored this and as usual we just accepted it.

    I will be asking questions of my local TD's this week, will you? or just another fake outpour of meek anger on the internet? we have a choice here, unlike that poor lady and family.


  • #250
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    who the fug wrote: »
    Is that white or black tea Nodin takes his tea seriously



    Tea=srs bzniss


  • #251
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Nodin wrote: »
    Tea=srs bzniss


    If you thought that was true, you would call it its proper name:Tae.:D


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  • #252
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Seaneh wrote: »

    You are talking through your hoop.
    Seaneh wrote: »
    Stay there while you're at it and don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

    :rolleyes:
    Seaneh wrote: »
    Oh **** off and grow up.
    Seaneh wrote: »
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: x inifinty.

    Banned


  • #253
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,636 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    danger mouse wrote: »
    How can you say that. An unwanted pregnancy should not be a reason to abort a child. We need to fully protect the rights of the unborn child no matter what circumstances a women gets herself into, an abortion is not a life style choice. It is murder as far as I'm concerned. We fully need to protect the unborn as they have no voice and are the most vulnerable members of society.
    and it is a lifestyle choice and not murder as far as I'm concerned
    Sorcha16 wrote: »
    I don't think that random clump of cells you refer to should be disposed of like yesterday's newspaper because the person growing them is too reckless to take other precautions.

    As I've already said and will reiterate for you again, I think abortion should only be used in medical circumstances or as a last resort in unwanted pregnancy and absolutely not as a means of contraception.
    other precautions can fail and I think its a perfectly valid final step as far as I'm concerned.


  • #254
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    positron wrote: »
    As someone from India, my most sincere sympathies and condolences to Praveen and the extended family Savita has left behind.

    Trust me when I say this - Indians would be shocked to the core to read this news in todays papers there because this sort of stuff is unheard of and unimaginable to the vast majority there. If you are going to say worse things happen in India, you are right, but it's rare, and it's less shocking as that type of stuff would be coming from the very poor, very remote and backward parts of India. If anyone with basic education, and enough means to feed and cloth themselves, failed by the system in the name of archaic religious doctrines is not only unimaginable today in India, in certain parts of the country, there would be such a strong backlash from the mourning relatives, the police would usually put the doctors involved behind the bars straight away for their own safety. A hospital or a group doctors failing a pregnant woman is absolute no-no in India, and any sign of negligence or lack of care is totally frowned up on and the law comes down heavily on them, eve if the public spares them for some unusual reason.

    Again, what an unfortunate and tragic story, and how Ireland becomes a laughing stock yet again in the international stage! :(


    Are you kidding? I could write 1000 pages of how India has failed its people and especially its children, ever been to new Delhi and seen the thousands of disfigured children? This is a tragic failure of the Irish government and indeed people, but a laughing stock in the eyes of the world? No, not at all and actually a fair percentage of the world would agree with it, sadly.


  • #255
    periodictable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭periodictable


    It amazes me how these asshole politicians cannot legislate once and for all in line with the X case. Just do it and get it over with and it will be old news in a week.


  • #256
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    billybudd wrote: »
    The people of Ireland, yes.

    The government, yes.

    It has been 20 years since this should have been legislated and yet the cowardly government has refuded to act on it and people generally ignore it until something like this happens and then take great glee from blaming everyone but themselves.

    The people of Ireland spoke, the government ignored this and as usual we just accepted it.

    I will be asking questions of my local TD's this week, will you? or just another fake outpour of meek anger on the internet? we have a choice here, unlike that poor lady and family.

    +1

    Generally speaking, I'd be against abortion, but if it's a case of a woman's life being at risk, then sorry, but no contest. So tragic and unnecessary.


  • #257
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,636 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, its supposed to be a secular republic. And the sooner we make that a reality as oppossed to a phrase the better.

    but its nowhere near that, sure God is referenced in the constitution FFS. until that's removed it'll never be secular.
    start of constitutio wrote:
    In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred, We, the people of Éire, Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

    If that ain't hugely religious I dunno what is...


  • #258
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    but its nowhere near that, sure God is referenced in the constitution FFS. until that's removed it'll never be secular.



    If that ain't hugely religious I dunno what is...


    ..slowly but surely. Too fucking slowly, obviously, but thats no reason to stop.


  • #259
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Youth defence and the restt of the anti woman/anti choice taliban must be really delighted with themselves over this.


  • #260
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    muppetkiller wrote: »
    Mmmm I think I'm going to go with whatever the Doctor at the time decided was best for the Patient and unborn child rather than reading the facts from the Media.

    Impossible to get the full facts until a clear investigation is made.
    Heart goes out to the Husband and family though. I think I actually worked with him a few years ago. Very nice man.

    Edited :Sorry for spoiling Christmas for you Treha.

    This happens to be a case where the fetus was never going to survive.

    This is the problem....Doctors are allowing women to die ....

    People have NO idea what the HSE is like.

    Ashamed to be Irish.


  • #261
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    The family should sue the state.


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  • #262
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    Gbear wrote: »
    Basic human decency.

    We should be talking about how a doctor defied a nonsensical legislative approach to abortion and is now the target of a completely unjust disciplinary process and/or prosecution.

    It reflects appallingly on the individual that we aren't.

    The Medical profession in this country is terrified of the consequences ...and some are pro-life.


    Women daren't even tell their doctors that they have previously had an abortion.


  • #263
    xtinataguba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭xtinataguba


    oh god, this is a very bad story. may she rest in peace. how many more women will be denied for their human rights?


  • #264
    HalloweenJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Absolutely disgusting story, really horrible treatment of the woman involved. My heart out goes out to the husband, totally needless death of two, not just one, loved ones.

    The sad fact is I highly doubt this will force any debate on the X case. FF are trying to woo the pro-life crowd so they're not going to bring it up, especially when Martin had four years to do something about it as Minister of Health. The Gov won't do anything to save their popularity. Outside of them, who do you have to push the agenda? I have never read anything to suggest that SF would back abortion so we're down to the likes of the technical group and the Independents. I can't see any of them making much difference on such a large issue.

    Also, I find it absolutely disgraceful that non-Catholics are forced to endure Catholic laws, with the doctor being so blatant as to tell the poor woman so. to me, this is no different to the likes of the Taliban or Boko Haram who are intent on forcing all those in their areas to live by Sharia law.

    This whole point makes me furious and glad that I live in Spain. There are still a lot of Catholics here but the Government have restricted their influence greatly in public matters. Ireland can follow their lead on that front.


  • #265
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    we really have to work as hard as possible to dismantle the hold that the catholic cult of pure and utter evil has over this country

    Here here.


  • #266
    HeyThereDeliah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 967 ✭✭✭HeyThereDeliah


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    and it is a lifestyle choice and not murder as far as I'm concerned

    I'm not sure lifestyle choice is the right way to put it, it's not like "I'm pregnant but it doesn't my lifestyle this year lets get rid of it and I will get another baby next year"

    I'm not anti abortion but I don't like some people's attitude to getting rid of a baby either.


  • #267
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    Well done to the scum in Youth Defence, they have blood on their hands.


    boo hoo.


  • #268
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    xtinataguba wrote: »
    oh god, this is a very bad story. may she rest in peace. how many more women will be denied for their human rights?

    hardly a human right to murder.

    I see RTE is on the bandwaggon promoting the pro abortion side


  • #269
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    poeticseraphim wrote: »
    The Medical profession in this country is terrified of the consequences ...and some are pro-life.


    Women daren't even tell their doctors that they have previously had an abortion.

    doctor wanting to save lives. thats terrible.

    foetus had a hard beat ergo it was human life.


  • #270
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    For all ye people calling on the Government to do something, when is the last time ye bollicked a TD about this, as someone has pointed out on this thread earlier Baby X case was 20 years ago.

    The Government will not do something untill they are backed into a corner , so start backing them into that corner.


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  • #271
    jaykay74
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    doctor wanting to save lives. thats terrible.

    foetus had a hard beat ergo it was human life.

    Well now both baby and mother are dead so problem solved there I guess. Pro life work is done in this case.


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