John Terry verdict

PhlegmyMoses · 27-09-2012 09:27PM

Just An Opinion wrote: »

Probably a headline of "Only a bit racist"

RACIST*

*but not as racist as Suarez

Thrill · 27-09-2012 09:29PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Which they are perfectly entitled to do within the course of their investigation. I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you just annoyed that you'll be missing Terry for a while? Or is it that you don't think that "Balance of Probabilities", a legal function that has resulted in people being sued for huge amounts of money, should be used to fine a player a week's wages and suspend him for a few games? If it's the latter then all of your work is ahead of you to provide an argument as to why it shouldn't be used as it is a function that is used without opposition in far more important situations than this.

I've stated in earlier posts that I'm not a Chelsea fan and also about my dislike of Terry.

My point was in relation to an earlier post about actual proof of what was said. There is none.

Just An Opinion · 27-09-2012 09:31PM

Obviously the English tabloids won't go to town on Terry, like when Henry was splashed across the front page of the Herald here with 'CHEAT' the headline. Had it been Robbie Keane with that 'goal' would the same damning headline have surfaced? Bias exists everywhere none of us are free of it so pointless going on what the tabloids come out with.

PhlegmyMoses · 27-09-2012 09:33PM

Thrill wrote: »

I've stated in earlier posts that I'm not a Chelsea fan and also about my dislike of Terry.

My point was in relation to an earlier post about actual proof of what was said. There is none.

There is enough proof for an independent body of people who hold no ill-will towards John Terry or Chelsea football club to find him guilty, on balance of probabilities, of making a racist remark towards Anton Ferdinand. We have video evidence of Terry clearly saying what he was accused of. Terry admitted to saying it but added a few things that made it sound better. If there is no proof, why have they banned him? Conspiracy?

mags1962 · 27-09-2012 09:47PM

More than a 99% successful conviction rate for the FA so on the balance of probabilities they are always right, what is the point of any hearing.
What a complete joke they are, oh and Suarez is not a racist even the FA say it in their report. I wonder if all the media will be so quick to condemn Terry as they were Suarez, but maybe not as he is English and white, bloody racists.

Thrill · 27-09-2012 09:57PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

There is enough proof for an independent body of people who hold no ill-will towards John Terry or Chelsea football club to find him guilty, on balance of probabilities, of making a racist remark towards Anton Ferdinand. We have video evidence of Terry clearly saying what he was accused of. Terry admitted to saying it but added a few things that made it sound better. If there is no proof, why have they banned him? Conspiracy?

There is no proof, none whatsoever, that Terry said what Ferdinand claims he said. If such proof existed it would have been presented in court.

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

There is enough proof for an independent body

Given that there is no sound recording or anyone who actually heard the alleged racial slur, I'd like to know what that proof is.

Chucky the tree · 27-09-2012 10:05PM

Terry admitted he said the words, that's the proof.

willowthewisp · 27-09-2012 10:08PM

Thrill wrote: »

There is no proof, none whatsoever, that Terry said what Ferdinand claims he said. If such proof existed it would have been presented in court.

Given that there is no sound recording or anyone who actually heard the alleged racial slur, I'd like to know what that proof is.

Ferdinand never said he said anything, complaint was from a member of the public.
And terry admitted using the words because it was clear as day on tv evidence, but came up with a schoolboy reasoning for saying it.

Thrill · 27-09-2012 10:09PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Terry admitted he said the words, that's the proof.

Terry claims he said "I did not call you a f**king black c**t"

willowthewisp · 27-09-2012 10:12PM

Thrill wrote: »

Terry claims he said "I did not call you a f**king black c**t"

Because he was bang to rights. And it's an unbelievable story for anyone who lives in the real world and not in Narnia.

UglyBolloxFace · 27-09-2012 10:14PM

In fairness if you watch this video closely, you can clearly make out him saying "yeah yeah..I never called you a black cúnt. Faacking knobhead".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfoaoQImtaI

The FA are a joke - if I can make that out in the video, why can't the FA and their investigators?

(not a Chelsea fan. And definitely not a fan of this serial-wife shagger).

Thrill · 27-09-2012 10:14PM

willowthewisp wrote: »

Ferdinand never said he said anything, complaint was from a member of the public.
And terry admitted using the words because it was clear as day on tv evidence, but came up with a schoolboy reasoning for saying it.

There is no T.V. evidence to prove what he said. The footage was presented in court and despite using expert lip readers it was not possible to be sure what Terry said.

Chucky the tree · 27-09-2012 10:15PM

Thrill wrote: »

Terry claims he said "I did not call you a f**king black c**t"

And? There is no proof of the first part though. The FA have a video recording of him saying what looks like the words "****ing black ****" they have Terry admitting he said those words. They have no proof Anton said those words, no proof Terry even said the first few words about "I did not call you.." because as we all know no-one else heard anything.

monkey9 · 27-09-2012 10:16PM

Thrill wrote: »

Terry claims he said "I did not call you a f**king black c**t"

Terry said that they both shook hands in the dressing room after the match and that it was sorted.

Ferdinand has since come out and said at that stage he wasn't aware of any racial accusation. It was only later that night that he first heard of it.

If that's that case, what's Terry mouthing about during the match?

willowthewisp · 27-09-2012 10:21PM

Thrill wrote: »

There is no T.V. evidence to prove what he said. The footage was presented in court and despite using expert lip readers it was not possible to be sure what Terry said.

Yet Terry felt necessary to admit to his "fairy story"

Thrill · 27-09-2012 10:30PM

willowthewisp wrote: »

Yet Terry felt necessary to admit to his "fairy story"

How do you know it's a fairy story?

willowthewisp · 27-09-2012 10:33PM

Thrill wrote: »

How do you know it's a fairy story?

How do you know it's not, on the balance of probability it has been proved that 9 times out of ten when something smells like horse ****, then it probably is horse ****.
In the court of law it couldn't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he said it, but neither would it have been possible to prove he wasn't a racist.
Any sensible person can see that Terry's version of events is ridiculous.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 27-09-2012 10:36PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Why aren't these rules applied so by the F.A.

They are. I was playing in a Sunday league game over here and a guy was sent off for calling me an F***ing Irish tw*t. Ref called racism, and wrote the report as such in to the FA who banned him. He then stopped playing for that team. Did not pay his fine (£100) and went off to play for someone else the next season.

willowthewisp wrote: »

How do you know it's not, on the balance of probability it has been proved that 9 times out of ten when something smells like horse ****, then it probably is horse ****.
In the court of law it couldn't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he said it, but neither would it have been possible to prove he wasn't a racist.
Any sensible person can see that Terry's version of events is ridiculous.

It was not proven in a court of law that he did not say it. It was proven in a court of law that they could not prove that he said it with the intent of being offensive to Anton Ferdinand. He has himself admitted to saying it FFS.

Thrill wrote: »

There is no T.V. evidence to prove what he said. The footage was presented in court and despite using expert lip readers it was not possible to be sure what Terry said.

Perhaps we will just accept that he said it because he said that he did???

That seems like a reasonable place to start from.

willowthewisp · 27-09-2012 10:36PM

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

It was not proven in a court of law that he did not say it. It was proven in a court of law that they could not prove that he said it with the intent of being offensive to Anton Ferdinand. He has himself admitted to saying it FFS.

Eh.....that's what I said.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 27-09-2012 10:38PM

I was agreeing with you, just annoyed that people do not get it.

willowthewisp · 27-09-2012 10:39PM

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

I was agreeing with you, just annoyed that people do not get it.

Soz

Red Crow · 27-09-2012 10:42PM

The media wanted Suarez's head on a plate. Captain, leader, hero Terry isn't receiving the same attention because he's not one of those pesky foreigners ruining the English game. Only if he done this in an England shirt would he receive criticism near the same level of Suarez.

I don't think his punishment should of been worse than what Luis Suarez got but it shouldn't of been less.

monkey9 · 27-09-2012 10:47PM

Eli Manning wrote: »

The media wanted Suarez's head on a plate. Captain, leader, hero Terry isn't receiving the same attention because he's not one of those pesky foreigners ruining the English game. Only if he done this in an England shirt would he receive criticism near the same level of Suarez.

I don't think his punishment should of been worse than what Luis Suarez got but it shouldn't of been less.

I agree. They should be the same!

Thrill · 27-09-2012 10:52PM

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Perhaps we will just accept that he said it because he said that he did???

That seems like a reasonable place to start from.

He claims to have said something different to what he is accused of. Theres a big difference between "I didnt call you a f**king black c**t" and "f**king black c**t"

Ones a denial of something and the other is a racial slur.

Sgt Pepper 64 · 27-09-2012 10:56PM

Regardless of personal feelings, in this country you are innocent until proven guilty

For the FA and some members of boards, it seems to be the opposite, and with regards to boards, if you are a member of an opposing team, then that counts double, plus the obligatory juvenile snide comments and cheap cracks completely without foundation

monkey9 · 27-09-2012 10:58PM

Thrill wrote: »

He claims to have said something different to what he is accused of. Theres a big difference between "I didnt call you a f**king black c**t" and "f**king black c**t"

Ones a denial of something and the other is a racial slur.

But Ferdinand wasn't aware of any racial overtures until later that night. So, in that case, what was Terry responding to?

MD1990 · 27-09-2012 10:59PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Regardless of personal feelings, in this country you are innocent until proven guilty

For the FA and some members of boards, it seems to be the opposite, and with regards to boards, if you are a member of an opposing team, then that counts double, plus the obligatory juvenile snide comments and cheap cracks completely without foundation

well maybe because he called Anton Ferdinand a black **** is why ppl think he is guilty lol

Thanx 4 The Fish · 27-09-2012 11:00PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Regardless of personal feelings, in this country you are innocent until proven guilty

For the FA and some members of boards, it seems to be the opposite, and with regards to boards, if you are a member of an opposing team, then that counts double, plus the obligatory juvenile snide comments and cheap cracks completely without foundation

But he has been found guilty and you are still defending him. So in this case he is innocent until found guilty when you will still protest his innocence...

Thrill · 27-09-2012 11:02PM

monkey9 wrote: »

But Ferdinand wasn't aware of any racial overtures until later that night. So, in that case, what was Terry responding to?

He claims he was accused by Ferdinand of calling him that on the pitch.

monkey9 · 27-09-2012 11:04PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Regardless of personal feelings, in this country you are innocent until proven guilty

For the FA and some members of boards, it seems to be the opposite, and with regards to boards, if you are a member of an opposing team, then that counts double, plus the obligatory juvenile snide comments and cheap cracks completely without foundation

You're defending Terry because he plays for the club you support. That is the one and only reason you defend Terry. So shut up with the juvenile remarks. Debate by all means, but you using the word juvenile seems be because you were born in 64. That fact makes your posts more ridiculous!

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