Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Badabing · 22-08-2012 03:53PM

I think the new Champions League contract from 2012/15 is slightly down on previous years but still that is great money for Celtic. Although it would be great if another Scottish team got into the Champ League for the co.eff it reduces the market pool aspect of the money for Celtic.

lubo_moravcik · 22-08-2012 04:00PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Road trip is much better now mate with motorways, 90 mins to 2 hours to Belfast, about 2 hours from Cairnryan to CP. Best €95 you'll ever spend

would it be bad form to skip an exam for it?

Of course it would, but some things in life are just too important. I'll keep you a seat

Dempsey · 22-08-2012 04:38PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Interesting, much more than I thought tbh. I thought that we got around £9m to £10m in total between participation money and TV money for being in the group stages of the CL the two times during Strachan's reign. £17m/€20m is just fantastic.

Sponsorship deals etc have increased alot since Strachan's reign so there is more pie to go around!

Last year

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/management/finance/news/newsid=1840934.html

A total of €754.1m was distributed to clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League last season

A pdf breaking down the amounts handed out is in the article

This year

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/management/finance/news/newsid=1845591.html

The estimated gross commercial revenue from the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Super Cup is €1.34bn

Some 75% of the total revenue from media rights and commercial contracts concluded by UEFA, up to a maximum of €530m, will go to the clubs, while the remaining 25% will be reserved for European football and remain with UEFA to cover organisational and administrative costs and solidarity payments to associations, clubs and leagues.

A total of 82% of any revenue received from the same stream in excess of €530m will be allocated to the clubs, with the other 18% allotted to European football and remaining with UEFA for the purposes listed above.

That puts the projected total pay out at over €1bn by my very rough calculations.

Badabing, I dont know where you heard that the UCL intake was down on previous years. Champions League is getting significantly stronger as a money making exercise for UEFA but I'd agree that the wealth distribution by UEFA needs to improve.

Badabing · 22-08-2012 04:51PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Sponsorship deals etc have increased alot since Strachan's reign so there is more pie to go around!

Last year

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/management/finance/news/newsid=1840934.html

A total of €754.1m was distributed to clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League last season

A pdf breaking down the amounts handed out is in the article

This year

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/management/finance/news/newsid=1845591.html

The estimated gross commercial revenue from the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Super Cup is €1.34bn

That puts the projected total pay out at over €1bn by my very rough calculations.

Badabing, I dont know where you heard that the UCL intake was down on previous years. Champions League is getting significantly stronger as a money making exercise for UEFA but I'd agree that the wealth distribution by UEFA needs to improve.

It was just that sky/itv paid less for 2012/15 than before but maybe europe wise its up.

Dempsey · 22-08-2012 05:05PM

Badabing wrote: »

It was just that sky/itv paid less for 2012/15 than before but maybe europe wise its up.

AFAIK, there is more companies buying rights to matches so maybe UEFA took the opportunity to reduce the cost to tv companies so they can further increase market share and accessibility for smaller countries/tv companies.

Over the last few years the payout by UEFA to UCL clubs is at record levels despite the economic climate. Hopefully Celtic can maintain a easy route to UCL ball for that all important €21m+ cash cow.

Badabing · 22-08-2012 05:20PM

Yeah your right its only nit picking at the edges, with regards to next year do Scottish teams still get into 3rd qual rd like this year? praying we get tru next weeks return leg first before worrying about next year.

Dempsey · 22-08-2012 05:32PM

Badabing wrote: »

Yeah your right its only nit picking at the edges, with regards to next year do Scottish teams still get into 3rd qual rd like this year? praying we get tru next weeks return leg first before worrying about next year.

Any success will be offset by the decline of Rangers contribution to the coefficients. I expect us to have to qualify like this for several seasons to come tbh. As long as perform well enough to be seeded, it shouldnt be a big deal imo

EDIT

Ki deal to be concluded by the weekend

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/186781-celtic-midfielder-ki-sung-yueng-agrees-in-principle-to-swansea-city-move/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Badabing · 22-08-2012 07:50PM

If Celtic win league next season we will be in 2nd qualifying round for Champ League :mad: that'll mean an early July start.

Lawrence1895 · 22-08-2012 08:06PM

Badabing wrote: »

If Celtic win league next season we will be in 2nd qualifying round for Champ League :mad: that'll mean an early July start.

What if Celtic makes it into the 1/4 finals this season? Wouldn't that effect the ranking for Scotland?

TheBuilder · 22-08-2012 08:50PM

Lars1916 wrote: »

What if Celtic makes it into the 1/4 finals this season? Wouldn't that effect the ranking for Scotland?

The ranking is effected based on results against teams with higher coefficient.

So getting to the quarter final will guarantee a boost of coefficient for Scotland, but it doesn't come into effect right away.

1/4 final? Lets not get carried away :P

kksaints · 22-08-2012 08:58PM

Do Celtic not have a sponsor on their jersrys?

The_Kew_Tour · 22-08-2012 09:00PM

have to say the Celtic jersey without the sponsor looked class.

Lawrence1895 · 22-08-2012 09:01PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

The ranking is effected based on results against teams with higher coefficient.

So getting to the quarter final will guarantee a boost of coefficient for Scotland, but it doesn't come into effect right away.

1/4 final? Lets not get carried away :P

Thought, they would update the coefficients every season

Maybe the 1/4 final is too far fetched, maybe I'll settle for a third place in the group and then going all the way in the Europa League

Dempsey · 22-08-2012 09:04PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

The ranking is effected based on results against teams with higher coefficient.

So getting to the quarter final will guarantee a boost of coefficient for Scotland, but it doesn't come into effect right away.

1/4 final? Lets not get carried away :P

The ranking is effected by playing and getting results in as many European games as possible. Continually progressing through to the latter stages of competitions will improve your coefficient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient

Check out club coefficients for the points awarded for competition progression.

This season's results will effect next season's country/team coefficients and those changes will be reflected in next season's access list.

Lawrence1895 · 22-08-2012 09:09PM

kksaints wrote: »

Do Celtic not have a sponsor on their jersrys?

There is not sponsoring on the jerseys for alcohol and tobacco allowed in the Champions League, afaik.

Dempsey · 22-08-2012 09:15PM

Lars1916 wrote: »

There is not sponsoring on the jerseys for alcohol and tobacco allowed in the Champions League, afaik.

I thought it was because the match was in Sweden and their laws dont allow alcohol advertising? Tennents was on the jersey for the HJK matches, home & away

Savage Tyrant · 22-08-2012 09:45PM

Personally I hate the white back on our jerseys when playing in Europe.
Apparently a UEFA rule that names and numbers have to appear across one field of colour.
No sponsor looks the business right enough.

karma_ · 22-08-2012 10:00PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I thought it was because the match was in Sweden and their laws dont allow alcohol advertising? Tennents was on the jersey for the HJK matches, home & away

That can't be, there was a Heineken billboard behind one of the goals.

Soups123 · 22-08-2012 10:13PM

It kinda defeats the purpose I think, because most people will notice straight away that there is no sponsor on the jersey therefore drawing more attention to it and now making it more noticeable, driving them to check what it usually is. If it was left on it might go unnoticed. I don't know what Helsinborgs sponsor was and I watch the match.

Nerd talk over

Dempsey · 22-08-2012 10:15PM

karma_ wrote: »

That can't be, there was a Heineken billboard behind one of the goals.

http://www.eucam.info/eucam/home/news.html/1881/1205/the-people-of-sweden-say-no-to-alcohol-advertising

Seems Sweden does have issues with alcohol advertising and circumvention.

From Wiki

According to Swedish law, advertisements for alcohol are generally forbidden. However, advertisement is permitted for beverages identified as "class 1" or "light beer." Other beverages, such as medium and strong beers (3.5% alcohol or more), which share a name with advertised light beers may benefit from this. Since 2005, newspapers have allowed advertisements for wine, and later for spirits, based on the provisions of an EU directive[citation needed]. The government of Sweden has protested these advertisements, but EU laws are applicable in Sweden unless clearly shown to be invalid in Swedish jurisdiction. These advertisements contain warnings which are worded less strongly than the warnings on tobacco products - for example, "Avoid drinking while pregnant," as opposed to "smoking kills."

Celtic probably looking to steer clear of any legal issues.

UEFA could have special dispensation to advertise all its commercial partners like the way FIFA will be able to sell alcohol at Brazil WC stadiums despite strict laws.

ColeTrain · 22-08-2012 10:28PM

karma_ wrote: »

That can't be, there was a Heineken billboard behind one of the goals.

It could be that Heineken want to be the only beer advertised?

Dempsey · 22-08-2012 10:43PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

It could be that Heineken want to be the only beer advertised?

We've advertised Tennents & Carling before in European competitions despite Heineken being a commercial partner.

Jelle1880 · 22-08-2012 10:49PM

Both Sweden and France (the only two countries I can think of) are pretty strict with alcohol advertising.

PauloMN · 23-08-2012 08:00AM

Dempsey wrote: »

We've advertised Tennents & Carling before in European competitions despite Heineken being a commercial partner.

I specifically remember Rangers having the Carling logo blacked out during some European matches.... can't remember what country it was though.

Lawrence1895 · 23-08-2012 08:14AM

PauloMN wrote: »

I specifically remember Rangers having the Carling logo blacked out during some European matches.... can't remember what country it was though.

I think, it's the same in France, as it is in Sweden.

Anyway, Heinecken is one of the official sponsors of the Championsleague, they are allowed to do that sort of thing.

Also remember one matchday in Dortmund, the club got in trouble, because there was a banner put over one of those 'official' advertising boards :mad:

lubo_moravcik · 23-08-2012 08:36AM

PauloMN wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

We've advertised Tennents & Carling before in European competitions despite Heineken being a commercial partner.

I specifically remember Rangers having the Carling logo blacked out during some European matches.... can't remember what country it was though.

It was against Lyon, and looked like a big strip of masking tape over it