Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Dempsey · 22-07-2012 12:35PM

I didnt avoid the point. How many times have I said today alone that the SPL shouldnt get Sevco TV rights, those rights should go into the collective bargaining that the SFL can do for coverage or whatever way they have done that end of business over the years.

Not only that, but they are attempting to punish the "new" Rangers, for the crimes of the "Old".

Thats the price of transferring a membership, there can and will be terms and conditions attached. The SFA/SPL want you to accept the outcome of their dual contract investigation without a long and costly legal battle. What titles they want stripped are those they have evidence of you using illegal players. Thats the outcome that isnt official yet. You refuse, you dont play div3 and they charge Rangers (in administration) to strip titles. You havent gotten your head around what transferring a membership means as opposed to asking for a new membership. Sevco wont ask for a new membership because everyone knows that they do not satisfy the criteria.

Eirebear · 22-07-2012 12:45PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I didnt avoid the point. How many times have I said today alone that the SPL shouldnt get Sevco TV rights, those rights should go into the collective bargaining that the SFL can do for coverage or whatever way they have done that end of business over the years.

Thats the price of transferring a membership, there can and will be terms and conditions attached. The SFA/SPL want you to accept the outcome of their dual contract investigation without a long and costly legal battle. What titles they want stripped are those they have evidence of you using illegal players. Thats the outcome that isnt official yet. You refuse, you dont play div3 and they charge Rangers (in administration) to strip titles. You havent gotten your head around what transferring a membership means as opposed to asking for a new membership. Sevco wont ask for a new membership because everyone knows that they do not satisfy the criteria.

Here we go again.
Seriously Dempsey, do i need to type my point in capitals for you to pick it out?

Give me one good reason to why Rangers should not use this blatant attempt at extortion by the SPL (Not only of Rangers, but of the SFL as a whole) as a negotiation tool?
It may not be "morally correct" or fall under the idea of "Sporting Integrity", but the SPL, and the SFA, have shown that idea to be nothing more than a soundbite to keep the more naive of supporters happy.

Should Rangers simply bend over, say "here you go, take some money" and forget all about it?
Bearing in mind we already taking an illegal punishment as part of this "deal" - However that is not enough for the SPL it seems.

I fully back Rangers in this move.

Dempsey · 22-07-2012 03:41PM

You are confusing Rangers and Sevco, remember that there is 5 parties involved in these negotiations. SFA, SPL, SFL, Rangers & Sevco, its hard to follow what you mean when you are interchanging Rangers and Sevco despite them being two separate entities with slightly different agendas.

I read your point and I have answered it. I'll answer it again. You damage Scottish Football even further by trying to sweep everything under the carpet. The SFA/SPL arent calling for that, its Sevco and Rangers. Dispute the TV rights, you have the SFL backing you up but to use the illegal payments investigation as a bargaining chip is scummy. You want to damage the whole of Scottish Football further for your own gain, again. You might not see anything wrong with that but I dont expect you to.

bobmalooka · 22-07-2012 10:55PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

But yet the SPL/SFA are doing just this

no BBE they will be stripping the old club of titles not sevco. The titles being stripped is not a punishment/sanction being imposed on Sevco it is merely adjusting the record books to acknowledge the cheating.

Im pretty sure most of the Rangers fans on here acknowledged that any cheating would have to be rectified.

Im yet to see any logical reason as to why the SFA should not adjust the record books to account for titles won fraudulently (or at least partly fraudulently)

Of course the SFA should allow Rangers (in administration) the chance to contest the allegations of cheating before liquidation is completed.

Its nothing do to with Sevco and Charles Green and super Ally would do well to keep their noses out, if you want to be Rangers cough up the cash.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 22-07-2012 11:29PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

But yet the SPL/SFA are doing just this

no BBE they will be stripping the old club of titles not sevco. The titles being stripped is not a punishment/sanction being imposed on Sevco it is merely adjusting the record books to acknowledge the cheating.

Im pretty sure most of the Rangers fans on here acknowledged that any cheating would have to be rectified.

Im yet to see any logical reason as to why the SFA should not adjust the record books to account for titles won fraudulently (or at least partly fraudulently)

Of course the SFA should allow Rangers (in administration) the chance to contest the allegations of cheating before liquidation is completed.

Its nothing do to with Sevco and Charles Green and super Ally would do well to keep their noses out, if you want to be Rangers cough up the cash.

Dear me you need to look at some facts the SPL/SFA are holding back the transfer of the licence unless the club agrees to the stripping of trophies two things there make it plain to see that it's not going to be a new club that plays in the SFL but a continuation of the old one
They are also demanding that the club must sign an agreement not to appeal said stripping of titles or the transfer won't be granted if that's not blackmail I don't know what it is

Dempsey · 22-07-2012 11:36PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Dear me you need to look at some facts the SPL/SFA are holding back the transfer of the licence unless the club agrees to the stripping of trophies two things there make it plain to see that it's not going to be a new club that plays in the SFL but a continuation of the old one
They are also demanding that the club must sign an agreement not to appeal said stripping of titles or the transfer won't be granted if that's not blackmail I don't know what it is

Its not blackmail, stop being dramatic! Every title they want to strip you of, they have evidence of illegal players being involved. They just want to avoid it being dragged out and legal costs. If it has to be dragged out, you wont be playing Division 3 this season.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 22-07-2012 11:44PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Dear me you need to look at some facts the SPL/SFA are holding back the transfer of the licence unless the club agrees to the stripping of trophies two things there make it plain to see that it's not going to be a new club that plays in the SFL but a continuation of the old one
They are also demanding that the club must sign an agreement not to appeal said stripping of titles or the transfer won't be granted if that's not blackmail I don't know what it is

Its not blackmail, stop being dramatic! Every title they want to strip you of, they have evidence of illegal players being involved. They just want to avoid it being dragged out and legal costs. If it has to be dragged out, you wont be playing Division 3 this season.

So making sure we have no right to appeal is not blackmail on your book

You really are stupid or ignorant if you think that
They say they have evidence well then they should have no fear then
It really is pointless talking to you as I am sure you are I the camp that would delight in us not playing football so I am out of this discussion I would be better hitting my head off a brick wall

bobmalooka · 22-07-2012 11:47PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Dear me you need to look at some facts the SPL/SFA are holding back the transfer of the licence unless the club agrees to the stripping of trophies two things there make it plain to see that it's not going to be a new club that plays in the SFL but a continuation of the old one
They are also demanding that the club must sign an agreement not to appeal said stripping of titles or the transfer won't be granted if that's not blackmail I don't know what it is

then the answer should be here's Duff and Phelps phone number, they are Rangers and they are holding the evidence of the alleged cheating.

Again, if Green wants to be Rangers he needs to accept all that goes with it.

If he wasn't trying to pull a fast one then he wouldn't need to contend with 'blackmail'.

I do agree with you that it isn't a matter for Green, super Ally or anyone else at Sevco to worry about. If only they weren't insisting on fighting another clubs battles.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 22-07-2012 11:55PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Dear me you need to look at some facts the SPL/SFA are holding back the transfer of the licence unless the club agrees to the stripping of trophies two things there make it plain to see that it's not going to be a new club that plays in the SFL but a continuation of the old one
They are also demanding that the club must sign an agreement not to appeal said stripping of titles or the transfer won't be granted if that's not blackmail I don't know what it is

then the answer should be here's Duff and Phelps phone number, they are Rangers and they are holding the evidence of the alleged cheating.

Again, if Green wants to be Rangers he needs to accept all that goes with it.

If he wasn't trying to pull a fast one then he wouldn't need to contend with 'blackmail'.

I do agree with you that it isn't a matter for Green, super Ally or anyone else at Sevco to worry about. If only they weren't insisting on fighting another clubs battles.

Green has not said he is going to fight it not in anything I have read in fact Malcolm Murray's statent the other day alludes to the fact it will all be accepted ax the club has to move forward to me if would be for the best
Rangets will continue the price will have been paid and we move on

Dempsey · 23-07-2012 12:03AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

So making sure we have no right to appeal is not blackmail on your book

You really are stupid or ignorant if you think that
They say they have evidence well then they should have no fear then
It really is pointless talking to you as I am sure you are I the camp that would delight in us not playing football so I am out of this discussion I would be better hitting my head off a brick wall

I couldnt care less if Sevco play ball this season or not. In this instance, no its not blackmail because its Sevco that are applying for the transfer of membership. They are trying to jump through the quickest loophole to play professional football in Scotland as Rangers and you are outraged at the terms and conditions? What did you expect? Its safe to say that you are not getting the right to appeal because you went to the court of session over the transfer embargo. Ye burned every bridge ye had.

bobmalooka · 23-07-2012 12:38AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Green has not said he is going to fight it not in anything I have read in fact Malcolm Murray's statent the other day alludes to the fact it will all be accepted ax the club has to move forward to me if would be for the best
Rangets will continue the price will have been paid and we move on

i cant remember the source but I read McCoist was saying him and Rangers wont accept titles being stripped.

The price to continue Rangers couldn't be met hense Sevco its very simple

A Dub in Glasgo · 23-07-2012 06:37AM

I had not fully appreciated that Sevco has chosen to apply to the SFA for the Rangers share. With that in mind, how is it acceptable for the likes of McCoist and their fans to bleat about not accepting punishments.

I genuinely would love to know what Rangers fans think on

1. What should have happened to Rangers
2. What should happen to Sevco applying for the Rangers share considering the investigations into Rangers has not yet finished

It all comes down to listing the punishments and why they were applied

lubo_moravcik · 26-07-2012 09:28PM

What's going on here then? Who are Brechin playing??

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And who's missing from this list?
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/clubs/third/

Dempsey · 26-07-2012 09:35PM

We're we all not told yesterday by "A well informed fan who has no reason to lie" that a licence was granted? :rolleyes:

lubo_moravcik · 26-07-2012 09:36PM

Word among the internet bampots is that Sevco have had their SFL application rejected.

lubo_moravcik · 26-07-2012 09:39PM

Dempsey wrote: »

We're we all not told yesterday by "A well informed fan who has no reason to lie" that a licence was granted? :rolleyes:

Who?

Dempsey · 26-07-2012 09:43PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Who?

TheBuilder wouldnt say, check the Rangers thread for the posts I'm on about.

Apparently, the illegal payments investigation was dropped altogether was part of the conditions, LOL!

Dempsey · 26-07-2012 09:47PM

Rangers Tax-Case ‏@rangerstaxcase

So the great Sevco SFA membership discussions remain deadlocked? Will anyone blink?

That was tweeted 2-3 minutes ago. Thats 2 days of getting nowhere now, the broadcasters are getting edgy too. Rumours suggesting that they want a decision tomorrow, presumably before close of business.

TheBuilder · 26-07-2012 09:47PM

Were we ever actually listed on it?

Dempsey, when did you turn into such a condescending tosser? You asked me a question and I told you were I got the info I passed onto the forum, so you can shove your smart ass comments.

A Dub in Glasgo · 26-07-2012 09:53PM

lubo_moravcik · 26-07-2012 09:53PM

Well all I've heard has came from the internet bampots, so it can't be true.

Why are Brechin down as playing no one though?
Why are a team who were only earlier in the week suddenly not included in the list of teams in the SFL3??

Dempsey · 26-07-2012 09:54PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Were we ever actually listed on it?

Dempsey, when did you turn into such a condescending tosser? You asked me a question and I told you were I got the info I passed onto the forum, so you can shove your smart ass comments.

Ye were definitely listed and removed according to Grant Russell. He's trying to contact the SFL to find out what the story is. Most likely a technical error he says.

You posted it yesterday like it was a done deal, all the terms agreed etc. and no explanation where you got the information from and when I asked about it, I got the "A well informed fan who has no reason to lie." response and now you want to call me condescending?? Take a long walk off a short pier.

Savage Tyrant · 26-07-2012 09:55PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Were we ever actually listed on it?

Dempsey, when did you turn into such a condescending tosser? You asked me a question and I told you were I got the info I passed onto the forum, so you can shove your smart ass comments.

Touchy touchy!

lubo_moravcik · 26-07-2012 09:56PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Good man, never seen that one. Just in this list there is no 'the rangers fc'.

IRN-BRU Third Division Clubs

The Third Division is the lowest SFL division and fourth overall in the senior football league system in Scotland. Containing ten clubs each year, the top club is promoted to the Second Division, clubs in 2nd, 3rd and 4th places enter an end of season play-off with the 9th placed club in the Second Division. There is no relegation from the Third Division, although if a club finishes bottom for two successive seasons, the Management Committee may determine that the status of the club will be reduced to that of an Associate Member.

Nickname:
Ground:
Founded:

Annan Athletic
Nickname:
Galabankies
Ground:
Galabank
Founded:
1942

Berwick Rangers
Nickname:
The Borderers
Ground:
Shielfield Park
Founded:
1884

Clyde
Nickname:
The Bully Wee
Ground:
Broadwood Stadium
Founded:
1877

East Stirlingshire
Nickname:
The Shire
Ground:
Ochilview Park
Founded:
1881

Elgin City
Nickname:
The Black And Whites
Ground:
Borough Briggs
Founded:
1893

Montrose
Nickname:
The Gable Endies
Ground:
Links Park Stadium
Founded:
1879

Peterhead
Nickname:
The Blue Toon
Ground:
Balmoor Stadium
Founded:
1891

Queen's Park
Nickname:
The Spiders
Ground:
Hampden Park
Founded:
1867

Stirling Albion
Nickname:
The Binos / Beanos
Ground:
Forthbank Stadium
Founded:
1945

TheBuilder · 26-07-2012 09:56PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Well all I've heard has came from the internet bampots, so it can't be true.

Why are Brechin down as playing no one though?
Why are a team who were only earlier in the week suddenly not included in the list of teams in the SFL3??

I suppose try have to make a decision on the game on Sunday eventually, they can't let it drag on.

A Dub in Glasgo · 26-07-2012 09:58PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Good man, never seen that one. Just in this list there is no 'the rangers fc'.

That was from the BBC website a few hours ago, maybe they jumped the gun

TheBuilder · 26-07-2012 10:00PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Ye were definitely listed and removed according to Grant Russell. He's trying to contact the SFL to find out what the story is. Most likely a technical error he says.

You posted it yesterday like it was a done deal, all the terms agreed et. And when I asked about it, I got the "A well informed fan who has no reason to lie." response and now you want to call me condescending?? Take a long walk off a short pier.

Well he is a well informed fan with no reason to lie, he's also a friend of mine and BBE's but I'm not gonna start naming him on a football forum for you.

Yeah I am going to call you condescending, because I gave you what you asked for and you decided a missing name on a website was enough to mock my comment yesterday which, if eventually is proven wrong i'll accept but until now is still possible.

lubo_moravcik · 26-07-2012 10:02PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Well he is a well informed fan with no reason to lie, he's also a friend of mine and BBE's but I'm not gonna start naming him on a football forum for you.

Yeah I am going to call you condescending, because I gave you what you asked for and you decided a missing name on a website was enough to mock my comment yesterday which, if eventually is proven wrong i'll accept but until now is still possible.

Dark Mingwall??

SomethingElse · 26-07-2012 10:04PM

Brechin were drawn to play Rangers. It was definitely up there on the SFL website a few days ago. Why they took it down is a bit of a mystery...

TheBuilder · 26-07-2012 10:06PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Dark Mingwall??

Surely that's a banning offence?

I said well informed, and fan, that rules him out right away!

The SFL have tweeted saying their website is currently being updated.

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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