Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Dempsey wrote: »

TheBuilder wrote: »

Eh no, rangers didn't try to get into division 1. The SFA/SPL and their laughable 'sporting integrity' ideology tried to bully the SFL into allowing rangers into division 1.

Charles Green wanted division 1, dont even try to say that he would have rejected the offer if the SFL clubs put it on the table. Rangers mokcing the SFA/SPL over sporting integrity. Hello kettle, this is the pot calling!

I really wonder if you read any of the facts that you don't want to be true there's no denying Green would have wanted div one he is a businessman he knows that would have been great but without anything else the fact that umpteen SFL clubs complained about Regans attempts at bullying them to put us in div 1 plus a few SPL Chairman complaining because they didn't it's perfectly clear that the SPL were very keen to have Rangets in Div one

Dempsey wrote: »

Charles Green wanted division 1, dont even try to say that he would have rejected the offer if the SFL clubs put it on the table. Rangers mokcing the SFA/SPL over sporting integrity. Hello kettle, this is the pot calling!

Did I say that, no. What I said was a fact though, the SFA and SPL tried to bully the clubs into allowing Rangers into division 1.

Not mocking them over sporting integrity, it's just laughable how they harp on about it then pull stunts like they have recently.

Must be a seriously big ladder to get on that horse you're up on Dempsey.

It doesnt matter what the SFA/SPL were trying to do, if ye could have gotten through loopholes, no matter how they were created, into Div1 ye would have took them and two fingers to everyone else. Save your, we would have gone to Div3 if we were offered Div1 crap, for swallow swallow. Ye three trying to pass the buck onto the SFA/SPL is laughable. Rangers fans have grand notions about sporting integrity but ye wouldnt know what it is if he hit ye in the head. The Scottish league thread proves that beyond any doubt.

TheBuilder wrote: »

You're delusional Dempsey. Ignoring blatant facts that the SFA/SPL are corrupt so you can continue your little personal vendetta against all things Rangers.

As long as your happy in your bubble.

No bubble, you can go back and read all the posts i made about the SPL and SFA in this thread if your memory is failing you.

I havent ignored the corruption that exists in the SFA/SPL but Rangers fans trying to make everything all about their actions whilst ignoring the fact that Charles Green wanted Div1 and colluded with the SFA/SPL to try and make it happen. Would you have boycotted Sevco if they got Div1? Would the majority of Rangers fans boycotted Sevco or just point the finger at the SFA/SPL whilst buying season books?

Sporting Integrity isnt high up on the agenda at Sevco no more than it is at the SFA/SPL, seems that one trait has already transferred from Rangers :P

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Only Celtic fans think that a point deduction, relegation and transfer ban are 'not enough'.

After all, those are not 'punishments', they're 'perfectly normal' :rolleyes:

Instead of going round in circles I wish they would just admit that they want us to be gone for good, at least then we know they're honest.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

So because he would have accepted something if it was offered means that he wanted it ?

Div1 is better money-wise and with an eye on getting back in the SPL asap, but that doesn't mean Rangers tried to get into it to avoid anything.

As for that whole 'new club' myth, keep on dreaming.

The transfer of the license is more proof that the history of Rangers FC, founded in 1872 is still going.
Otherwise it would have been a new license.

The club you support now has never recieved a points deduction. Nor has it ever been "relegated" ... It has never even played a professional game of football.

The "new club" thing is no myth. It's a cold hard fact to all those bar the ones looking to change their allegiance from R*ngers to Sevco.

The only thing laughable here is the insistance on the part of Rangers fans that they are the victims in all this and the insistance that they have been punished enough. Hell, none of them could even outline what punishment has been applied and why.

The insistance that Sevco is not a new club really takes the biscuit though :pac: :pac:

the realpigiron wrote: »

I have found the contributions of newcoRangers fans becoming increasingly desperate and deluded. The rug has been pulled from under them, the club they supported is dead. They have destroyed themselves and with it have done untold damage to the reputation of Scottish football worldwide.

The latest pronouncements from McCoist that they will not accept stripping of titles is just the latest in this sorry saga of cheating, lieing and delusion. Who is he to decide what they will accept or not accept, they will take what punishment is meted out to them and that's the end of it.

If McCoist and the others at Sevco had any dignity they would accept their punishment without greeting about it, and get on with concentrating on building a new club. Will they ever learn one wonders? newcoRangers being made to start in div 3 have had their comeuppance and hopefully there'll be a bit more punishment to come. It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Again of we are dead they can't punish us by insisting we accept these things it's not us who are deluded

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Again of we are dead they can't punish us by insisting we accept these things it's not us who are deluded

In the clamour for preserving history on the part of the old Rangers family, it is convienently forgotten by them that the old club still has outstanding investigations against it therefore it is a classic case of You can’t eat your cake and have it too or equivalent in Chinese 又要马儿跑，又要马儿不吃草 (To want a horse that both runs fast and consumes no feed)

Eirebear wrote: »

SO...are we dead or not then lads?

You want to see "new" Rangers punished, for the "dead" Rangers' misdemeanours.
Yet you also want to make sure that "new" Rangers are made to forget about the history of the "dead" Rangers, right?

You want to strip titles from the "dead" club, as part of the punishment that will be used against the "new" Rangers?

I do the cake and eat it quips around here, thanks.

The answer for me is obvious as outlined earlier

However, Rangers FC and Sevco and their fans seem to think differently. They want the history part without the investigation into any wrongdoing part.

So the more pertinent question is to the fans of Rangers FC (& Sevco). Do you think RFC is dead? If you answer no, do you disagree that RFC and by definition Sevco should be punished if the wrongdoing is proved?

kryogen wrote: »

You can't strip a club of something it does not have, Sevco Scotland Limited, trading as The Rangers Football Club does not have any trophies to be stripped of.

But yet the SPL/SFA are doing just this

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

But yet the SPL/SFA are doing just this

That is what they are trying to do, why can't Sevco refuse and call their bluff?

Yes, some bluffs are there to be called

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I hadn't realised this argument is ongoing in the Scottish League thread as well (where did that thread come from!) :pac:

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

So it doesn't matter what the SPL/SFA were trying to do its all Rangers fault you hxve a damn cheek it just show that you are one of the most small minded bigoted Tic fans it's been my misfortune to hxve has discussions with. Tell me this do you think it's right that the SPL get share of the money from thd SFL showing Rangets games so if reports are to be believed the SPL can pay there debts a truly pathetic bunch who along with the SFA want there cake and be able to eat

A small minded bigot? What have I said that makes me a bigot? You just sound like a knuckle dragger foaming at the mouth over a keyboard

Did I say its all Rangers fault, no. You seem to have a habit of forgetting what I said the day before.

No, the SPL shouldnt get a share of SFL TV rights

Do ye think its right of Rangers/Sevco to ask for the investigation of dual contracts to be dropped? Plenty of kettle and pot going on in these negotiations.

Eirebear wrote: »

SO...are we dead or not then lads?

You want to see "new" Rangers punished, for the "dead" Rangers' misdemeanours.
Yet you also want to make sure that "new" Rangers are made to forget about the history of the "dead" Rangers, right?

You want to strip titles from the "dead" club, as part of the punishment that will be used against the "new" Rangers?

I do the cake and eat it quips around here, thanks.

As I said from day dot, I dont care if Rangers goes bust or not. Just that all the ****e they pulled comes out and the punishments are applied accordingly. Ye seem to want to be Rangers and take the history but none of the historical liabilities that are still hanging over the club. If you want to be Rangers, ye have to be liable for everything the club did, good bad indifferent, but ye dont want to do that. Ye think history is a transferable asset, it isnt.

Eirebear wrote: »

I agree entirely with you.
But try telling that to the large number of halfwits around here who don't.

However, i certainly do not blame Rangers for attempting to negotiate with the SPL on this one - why in hell should we sit back and let the SPL attempt to hijack our television rights, when they made it perfectly clear that they did not want us in their league?

Who said that the SPL should get a piece of SFL/Sevco TV rights?

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

BTW This is EB - Logged into wrong account!

That's exactly what the SPL are after!

Why shouldn't Rangers use this as a negotiating tool?
At the end of the day, wether you, I or a random Man Utd fan believes that Rangers are or are not the Rangers of 1873, the fact remains that the "New" Rangers stand to be punished for the allegations against the "old" Rangers.
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For that simple fact, i completely back Green's attempt to "Have his cake and eat it"

I meant, who here on this forum suggested otherwise.

You do realise that Sevco are trying to transfer a membership. You understand what that means? You want to be Rangers but dont want certain parts of the historical baggage. It doesnt work like that or should I say, it shouldnt work like that.

To ask the SPL to discard the biggest investigation of corruption in football shows that Sevco have as little interest in the sporting integrity of Scottish Football as the SPL/SFA. Its all about loopholes and which can be agreed to jump through.

Dempsey wrote: »

I meant, who here on this forum suggested otherwise.

You do realise that Sevco are trying to transfer a membership. You understand what that means? You want to be Rangers but dont want the historical baggage, good and bad. It doesnt work like that or should I say, it shouldnt work like that.

To ask the SPL to discard the biggest investigation of corruption in football shows that Sevco have as little interest in the sporting integrity of Scottish Football as the SPL/SFA. Its all about loopholes and which can be agreed to jump through.

You're avoiding the point again Dempsey.
It doesn't matter a jot what anyone on here says. The SPL are after TV Money from Rangers, because they have ****ed up their own jobs.
They are trying to use the transfer of membership, or indeed any membership at all, as a way of gaining this.
Not only that, but they are attempting to punish the "new" Rangers, for the crimes of the "Old".

Why should Rangers sit back and take this without an attempt at negotiation?
As ADIG said, they could indeed attempt to call the SPL's bluff - but that would be playing with the very existence of a Rangers in any shape or form.
Surely the more prudent approach?

The SPL voted against the admission of Rangers on the grounds of "Sporting integrity". Fine, i have no issue with that.
But they are still trying to use 3rd Division Rangers in order to keep themselves afloat?

**** that, you don't get that for free.