Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-07-2012 10:26AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

PDESports exclusive - Gilmour: 'I hope the SFL clubs realise the damage they have done to Scottish Football' stmirren

:pac:

The same Gilmour who voted Rangers out of the SPL.

I feel for the ordinary folk who are going to lose their jobs but as for the clubs themselves meh

lubo_moravcik · 14-07-2012 12:28PM

BBC lunch time news said that the allowing of Club 12 to the SFL Division 3 was conditional to Club 12 obtaining membership to the SFA, and that there is reason to believe that they don't match the criteria for that.

UglyBolloxFace · 14-07-2012 12:57PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

BBC lunch time news said that the allowing of Club 12 to the SFL Division 3 was conditional to Club 12 obtaining membership to the SFA, and that there is reason to believe that they don't match the criteria for that.

Come on...this is the SFA and their favourite team the Rangers. Of course they'll be given the all clear.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-07-2012 01:52PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Come on...this is the SFA and their favourite team the Rangers. Of course they'll be given the all clear.

Wow what a stupid thing to say after whats went on :eek:

Eirebear · 14-07-2012 02:19PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Come on...this is the SFA and their favourite team the Rangers. Of course they'll be given the all clear.

Uh-huh....

Madam · 14-07-2012 02:24PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Uh-huh....

Hmmmmm. lol

Jelle1880 · 14-07-2012 03:10PM

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Savage Tyrant · 14-07-2012 03:19PM

So does anyone think the SFA/SPL will play another hand or is it a done deal that 100% Newco will play in Div.3 this season.
I myself have a feeling that another hand will be tried. Dunno if it'll be SPL2 or something else, but I think there's something still to come.
Hope I'm wrong though.

Eirebear · 14-07-2012 03:43PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

So does anyone think the SFA/SPL will play another hand or is it a done deal that 100% Newco will play in Div.3 this season.
I myself have a feeling that another hand will be tried. Dunno if it'll be SPL2 or something else, but I think there's something still to come.
Hope I'm wrong though.

With 2 weeks left untill the start of the season i can't see past Division 3.

However i don't think it's over - we could very well see a push for "SPL2" next season.

Jelle1880 · 14-07-2012 04:00PM

Radio Scotland saying a vote of no confidence towards Regan has been asked and seconded.

Savage Tyrant · 14-07-2012 04:01PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Radio Scotland saying a vote of no confidence towards Regan has been asked and seconded.

About time.

fryup · 14-07-2012 05:51PM

will rangers supporters switch allegiance to Hearts??

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-07-2012 05:54PM

fryup wrote: »

will rangers supporters switch allegiance to Hearts??

Aye of course we will :rolleyes:

Coillte_Bhoy · 14-07-2012 05:59PM

fryup wrote: »

will rangers supporters switch allegiance to Hearts??

Absolutley. If the roles were reversed and it was Celtic in this position i would 100% transfer my allegaince to Hibs. :rolleyes:honest to god, what a stupid questionH
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kitakyushu · 14-07-2012 06:04PM

fryup wrote: »

will rangers supporters switch allegiance to Hearts??

Speaking of that tho, what sort of home crowds can Rangers expect in Division 3? Is their typical Prem crowd largely season ticket holders (ie who might stick it out) or is there a sizeable casual attendance at their games (who might not bother with Div3)?

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-07-2012 06:07PM

kitakyushu wrote: »

Speaking of that tho, what sort of home crowds can Rangers expect in Division 3? Is their typical Prem crowd largely season ticket holders (ie who might stick it out) or is there a sizeable casual attendance at their games (who might not bother with Div3)?

To be honest I reckon we will get sell outs or near enough for the first couple of months then it will dwindle to about the 20,000 mark. But we will have to wait and see.

One things for sure I don't see us all heading to Tyncastle to see Hertz

Dempsey · 14-07-2012 06:09PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Radio Scotland saying a vote of no confidence towards Regan has been asked and seconded.

Delighted to hear that. Scottish Football needs people that can make the hard decisions for the long term future of the game, not conspire to flog a dead horse because thats all they know.

EDIT

Sky Sports ‏@SkySports

Dundee United would not support the formation of an SPL 2 or any other route for Rangers newco to join the SPL. http://bit.ly/LhnxT6

Surely the beginning of the end for Dumb and Dumber

killabban182 · 15-07-2012 09:49AM

If I was on the Rangers board I would see this as an opportunity to try and move to one of the English leagues, maybe Div1 or Div2. If they are going to have to start at the bottom it may be worth their while in the long run to be in England.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 15-07-2012 10:01AM

killabban182 wrote: »

If I was on the Rangers board I would see this as an opportunity to try and move to one of the English leagues, maybe Div1 or Div2. If they are going to have to start at the bottom it may be worth their while in the long run to be in England.

Its been done to death as long as there is a professional league in the country a team plays in moving to another league is pretty much a no no

rayjdav · 15-07-2012 10:57AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Its been done to death as long as there is a professional league in the country a team plays in moving to another league is pretty much a no no

But why not? Football is a business and banks have a large say in what goes on at a club. They must produce plans and balance sheets like any business. Surlely it would make more financial sense in todays business world to at the very least sow the seeds of discussion out to the fans/shareholders/SFL/SFA/SPL/FA/FIFA/UEFA etc.

No one likes to think of their beloved club in such hard facts but it is just that. Trophy cabinets filled with history mean feck all if a club cant balance +/- accounts.

I don't want the thread "owners" to jump on me for this. I am only asking a simple question.... Basically, I have read on a number of sites and blogs that in the current form, and further taking the Rangers newco ruling, that the SFL and the SPL are probably at the onset of financial meltdown. If nothing else they should learn from this mess to have a Plan B....????

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 15-07-2012 11:37AM

rayjdav wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Its been done to death as long as there is a professional league in the country a team plays in moving to another league is pretty much a no no

But why not? Football is a business and banks have a large say in what goes on at a club. They must produce plans and balance sheets like any business. Surlely it would make more financial sense in todays business world to at the very least sow the seeds of discussion out to the fans/shareholders/SFL/SFA/SPL/FA/FIFA/UEFA etc.

No one likes to think of their beloved club in such hard facts but it is just that. Trophy cabinets filled with history mean feck all if a club cant balance +/- accounts.

I don't want the thread "owners" to jump on me for this. I am only asking a simple question.... Basically, I have read on a number of sites and blogs that in the current form, and further taking the Rangers newco ruling, that the SFL and the SPL are probably at the onset of financial meltdown. If nothing else they should learn from this mess to have a Plan B....????

The people in charge of the SPL/SFA couldn't run a raffle so expecting sense from them would be daft.
As for your other point FIFA and UEFA believe it would lead to bedlam if clubs started moving about from league to league and I can see there viewpoint also and just let's say for example Rangets were allowed into English football weas a club would not be allowed to play our home games in Scotland as it is believed it would be to the detriment of Scottish football, also Rangets would have to enter at the very bottom of English football so you ate talking about conference level at least.

rayjdav · 15-07-2012 12:04PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

The people in charge of the SPL/SFA couldn't run a raffle so expecting sense from them would be daft.
As for your other point FIFA and UEFA believe it would lead to bedlam if clubs started moving about from league to league and I can see there viewpoint also and just let's say for example Rangets were allowed into English football weas a club would not be allowed to play our home games in Scotland as it is believed it would be to the detriment of Scottish football, also Rangets would have to enter at the very bottom of English football so you ate talking about conference level at least.

Fair points. I like the opinion of the SPL/SFA.:D:D

But surely there is a valid, probably unique case regarding Rangers/Celtic. They imo are too big for SPL as a model. Granted, it may have drastic effects on other clubs but to play devils advocate here, are the other clubs not holding back the Old Firm too from realising their probable respective potentials on the European front?
Granted, if they did play in the English League, there may be a case for League 2 status at the very least. I think Conference North would not be viable tbh. No point in that. Then you will get to "grace" Plainmoor, the home of real Football, ie my beloved Torquay Utd.:D:D
I know clutching at straws but there are pro Welsh teams who play in England.....
My point is would it not be an option to at least set it out there for the interesed parties to at least set up a working group and see if there is a possibility or even a desire for it to happen or is the status quo where everyone wants to be. I'm looking at it from a business perspective only. Dont like to see whats happened happen and hopefully the Gers do come back to be a force again. (not for a few years though:D:D...)

Jelle1880 · 15-07-2012 12:43PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9400788/Rangers-in-crisis-SFA-chief-Stewart-Regan-could-become-latest-casualty-in-saga-after-email-leak.html

The email from Regan that was leaked:

Dear all,
Many thanks for your contribution and support over the last two weeks in trying to deliver a programme of change that will move Scottish football forward whilst addressing the need to deal with the Rangers matter with integrity and in line with our own values as an organisation.
I was hugely encouraged with where we got to last night on a long and tiring phone call and I thank all of you for your efforts to move this issue forward.
I thought it would be helpful if I summarised where I think we are:
1. The Rangers Football Club will be relegated to the 1st Division of the SFL with immediate effect and will be replaced in the SPL by Dundee FC.
2. The television rights for Rangers FC matches in the SFL will be purchased by the SPL for the sum of Â£1m as a one-off fee for the season 2012/2013.
3. The two leagues will merge into a single league body - The Scottish Professional Football League - effective season 2013/14 - with a working party set up immediately involving representatives from the SPL, SFL and (if required) the Scottish FA to plan the integration of the two bodies - people, rules, rebranding, commercial considerations and so on.
4. A new Board of Directors will be appointed to govern the single league. The make up of this Board will consist of an Independent Chairman, CEO, 3 representatives from the Premier League, 2 representatives from the Championship/Leagues 1 & 2 and 2 Independent Non-Executive Directors.
5. Play-offs will be introduced immediately with the first matches taking place at the end of the coming season 2012/2013.
6. Enhanced parachute payments will be implemented from the end of the season 2012/2013 to soften the landing for club(s) relegated from the Premier League.
7. A revised all-through distribution model will be put in place to provide: a) An all-through distribution model for clubs 1-22 and a minimum guarantee for 20 clubs in Leagues 1 & 2, equivalent to what they would earn under the current settlement agreement.
8. A Pyramid System will be put in place which open up the bottom of League 2 effective from the end of season 2013/2014 with the first opportunity for promoted clubs to enter the league being 2014/15 thus allowing for licensing to take place.
9. Consolidation below the Third Division to take place to create a Lowland & Highland League structure effective 2014/15 with appropriate play-offs and promotion/relegation to be put in place. Clubs to be briefed that the previous season 2013/2014 will involve the opportunity to enter play-offs for the first time.
In terms of actions/timings I think the following needs to happen in this coming week:
A) A joint statement today from all 3 bodies confirming that productive discussions have taken place on a new blueprint for Scottish football. Consultation will continue over the next two weeks with a view to clubs getting together week commencing 2nd July to try and agree the way forward. (D Broadfoot to provide this and circulate to DL/ND for approval)
Rod P / Jim B to finalise the all-through financial model by Wednesday this week latest.
C) Neil / David to finalise the detail on Governance, Commercials and Play-Offs (ideally Monday/Tuesday) and incorporate these, plus the financials in above into a legally binding Heads of Terms 'draft' for presentation to each league body w/c 2nd July.
D) DL to organise SFL Board Meeting w/c 25th June to gain buy-in to the plan and also arrange an all club meeting w/c 2nd July
E) ND to gain support from SPL Clubs 28th June
F) SFL Clubs Meeting to be planned for 3rd July
G) SPL Club Meeting to be planned for 4th July
H) Scottish FA Board to sign off on the final plan post 4th July. Subject to approval all bodies (including Newco) to sign legal documentation.
I) Agree joint communication strategy
J) In parallel to A-D above, could Rod Petrie please brief Charles Green confidentially on the discussions from a Scottish FA perspective so that there are 'no surprises' and there is a general acceptance of the plan plus all of the other conditions discussed e.g. transfer embargo, fines, repayment of football debt, waiving rights to legal challenge, acceptance of relegation and so on.
K) Andrew to ensure our check list of disclosures relating to Newco and Fit & Proper Person criteria are delivered by 2nd july. The Board will need these plus the Heads of Terms above in order to complete this plan.
The Scottish FA Board have agreed to provide a one-off restructuring budget of £1m on condition the above plan is delivered.
I hope this covers everything.
Speak soon....now off to the airport!
Regards
Stewart

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 15-07-2012 02:55PM

rayjdav wrote: »

Fair points. I like the opinion of the SPL/SFA.:D:D

But surely there is a valid, probably unique case regarding Rangers/Celtic. They imo are too big for SPL as a model. Granted, it may have drastic effects on other clubs but to play devils advocate here, are the other clubs not holding back the Old Firm too from realising their probable respective potentials on the European front?
Granted, if they did play in the English League, there may be a case for League 2 status at the very least. I think Conference North would not be viable tbh. No point in that. Then you will get to "grace" Plainmoor, the home of real Football, ie my beloved Torquay Utd.:D:D
I know clutching at straws but there are pro Welsh teams who play in England.....
My point is would it not be an option to at least set it out there for the interesed parties to at least set up a working group and see if there is a possibility or even a desire for it to happen or is the status quo where everyone wants to be. I'm looking at it from a business perspective only. Dont like to see whats happened happen and hopefully the Gers do come back to be a force again. (not for a few years though:D:D...)

The welsh teams that play in England came about because there was no professional league in Wales at the time. Yes Rangers and Celtic have been hampered by the other clubs over the years and from a personal point of view I would rather both of us were down there.

As for Torquay United I saw them play once as a young boy it would have been end of August 68 I think you played Barrow in a league game and beat them 3-1 :P;)

Mr_Spaceman · 15-07-2012 03:44PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

How is the Famine song anti IRA??? Surprise EB likes this post tbh Oh and TTP chants???

It's a dig at Scottish plastic paddies who, for the most part, love Ireland and will do anything for the place except visit or live there.

I don't like the 'song' - I'd prefer 100% Rangers songs - but there's a lot worse to get all mock offended about.

Mr_Spaceman · 15-07-2012 03:49PM

kitakyushu wrote: »

Speaking of that tho, what sort of home crowds can Rangers expect in Division 3? Is their typical Prem crowd largely season ticket holders (ie who might stick it out) or is there a sizeable casual attendance at their games (who might not bother with Div3)?

Only time will tell, but if the ticket prices are reasonable I'd say we'll have no problem with regular 30,000 crowds. Every team has it's share of gloryhunters so I suppose there will be a certain number who'll tail off.

At least the games will be at 3pm on a Saturday which is always good for a better attendance.

Helix · 15-07-2012 04:06PM

killabban182 wrote: »

If I was on the Rangers board I would see this as an opportunity to try and move to one of the English leagues, maybe Div1 or Div2. If they are going to have to start at the bottom it may be worth their while in the long run to be in England.

why would the FA let a foreign club into the higher end of its football structure? any new club would join from the bottom like the rest

thebaz · 15-07-2012 04:12PM

killabban182 wrote: »

If I was on the Rangers board I would see this as an opportunity to try and move to one of the English leagues, maybe Div1 or Div2. If they are going to have to start at the bottom it may be worth their while in the long run to be in England.

makes sense to me, rather than clawing their way back from the outer edges of Scottish football, for more ongoing 2 horse races - i think it would benefit Scottish football in general, where their better players would get more meangingful opposition , not to mention - money - also Hibs and Heatrs and the Dundees would have realistic chances of winning silverware and have a more competitive league - but a lot of people dont like this thinking , and want to keep the old 2 horse status quo

Helix · 15-07-2012 04:22PM

rangers and celtic missed the boat to get into england years ago

all they needed to do was buy a non-league team, use it as their reserves where their kids went there on loan, supplemented with a few old heads. let them move up through the league and then when they hit the championship you officially move the new club to ibrox ala mk dons, change its name ala mk dons, and free transfer all the players from your first team over to it

of course that wasn't immediate enough a fix, so they didnt do it. and every year they don't do it costs them another year in getting into england legitimately. had they done that in, say, 2002, all going well at this stage they'd both comfortably be in the championship at least you'd have thought

willowthewisp · 15-07-2012 04:25PM

Helix wrote: »

rangers and celtic missed the boat to get into england years ago

all they needed to do was buy a non-league team, use it as their reserves where their kids went there on loan, supplemented with a few old heads. let them move up through the league and then when they hit the championship you officially move the new club to ibrox ala mk dons, change its name ala mk dons, and free transfer all the players from your first team over to it

of course that wasn't immediate enough a fix, so they didnt do it. and every year they don't do it costs them another year in getting into england legitimately. had they done that in, say, 2002, all going well at this stage they'd both comfortably be in the championship at least you'd have thought

Great idea but not a possibility in reality.

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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