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Car Stolen in 2009

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  • #182
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    gatecrash wrote: »
    just wondering, did you not contact the tax office when you got a renewal cert for the tax for the car?

    I remember having to contact them when Car#1 was car-napped and killed, cos even though the insurance had paid out i STILL got a NCT & Tax demand/reminder....
    There is no need to tell the tax office if you are not taxing a car.


  • #183
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    wexie wrote: »
    So....(head hurts)....really all you need then is the VIN number to 'legally' steal a car.


    You would need to drive the car to a main dealers to get vin checked.


  • #184
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    jhegarty wrote: »
    You would need to drive the car to a main dealers to get vin checked.

    You can read the vin from several places in the car, depending on the model? No need to go to a dealer I presume. Just pop the bonnet?


  • #185
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    The car must be presented at a main dealers to have the VIN checked. That is what the DOT want.


  • #186
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    The car must be presented at a main dealers to have the VIN checked. That is what the DOT want.

    Ahh... Official like.


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  • #187
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    MarkR wrote: »
    You can read the vin from several places in the car, depending on the model? No need to go to a dealer I presume. Just pop the bonnet?
    OSI wrote: »
    :confused::confused:

    It's in the Windscreen of most cars I've seen in the last 5 years plus.

    The form needs to be filled out a main dealers.


  • #188
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    OSI wrote: »
    :confused::confused:

    It's in the Windscreen of most cars I've seen in the last 5 years plus.

    It wouldn't be the most reliable place to look, imo. I remember a consumer show in the UK pointing out years ago how easy it is to replace the windscreen VIN.


  • #189
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Let's say this guy can get his car back, what might happen to any compensation he would have received from the insurance for the theft of his car? Would he have to pay it back or what would have happened. Tough on the other party if he has bought car unknowingly but hopefully it might catch the real criminals.


  • #190
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Let's say this guy can get his car back, what might happen to any compensation he would have received from the insurance for the theft of his car? Would he have to pay it back or what would have happened. Tough on the other party if he has bought car unknowingly but hopefully it might catch the real criminals.

    If the insurance paid out they would be the rightful owners of the car.


  • #191
    Dirkster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Dirkster


    And in a dishonest way of thinking, why would anyone inform the insurance company if this happened them? I'd wager its compensation for the years of worry about your car :pac:. Although I'd imagine the insurance company would want the tax book before paying out so probably no point in wandering.


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  • #192
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    For the Nth time, there is no insurance company involved in this case.


  • #193
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,160 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    For the Nth time, there is no insurance company involved in this case.

    Just to promote a bit of debate (and solve my curiosity) while we wait for updates. If there was an insurance payout, and the same thing happened, would the Guards get involved at all. Presumably the letter would go to the original owner and not the insurance company so someone doing this after an insurance payout would (and probably have) get away with it.


  • #194
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Just to promote a bit of debate (and solve my curiosity) while we wait for updates. If there was an insurance payout, and the same thing happened, would the Guards get involved at all. Presumably the letter would go to the original owner and not the insurance company so someone doing this after an insurance payout would (and probably have) get away with it.

    Sure sounds like it, would also be interesting to know what would happen if the original owner actually receives the letter and replies to the DOT that the car had been stolen.

    If the car is no longer registered as being stolen the guards won't get involved. Would the DOT notify the insurance company? The guards? Would the onus be on the original owner to notify the insurance company?

    Interesting question allright.


  • #195
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    would also be interesting to know what would happen if the original owner actually receives the letter and replies to the DOT that the car had been stolen.
    All that would happen is the transfer would not happen.
    Would the DOT notify the insurance company?
    NO!
    The guards?
    NO!
    Would the onus be on the original owner to notify the insurance company?
    YES!


  • #196
    nava
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,739 ✭✭✭nava


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Just to promote a bit of debate (and solve my curiosity) while we wait for updates. If there was an insurance payout, and the same thing happened, would the Guards get involved at all. Presumably the letter would go to the original owner and not the insurance company so someone doing this after an insurance payout would (and probably have) get away with it.

    I'm nearly sure but will need to check but a friend had their car stolen a few years back that when his car was stolen the insurance company asked for car keys and papers for the car, I think he said that the insurance will change the car on their own name, as scrapped or something similar, if that was the case the DOT will know that something is going on in a case like with OP.


  • #197
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Shame there's no way to get an update only when the OP responds. I'm following this thread and we're getting nothing but what if's! ( I realise that by posting this I am also perpetrating this) :)


  • #198
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Just to promote a bit of debate (and solve my curiosity) while we wait for updates. If there was an insurance payout, and the same thing happened, would the Guards get involved at all. Presumably the letter would go to the original owner and not the insurance company so someone doing this after an insurance payout would (and probably have) get away with it.

    As happened my da in 2001 when his car was stolen, he had to send the log book off to the insurance company before they paid out but he never sent the keys. When the car was found in an underground car park six months later, the Garda rang him to tell him it was found. He just told the Garda to deal with the insurance company. Only then did they look for the car keys.

    Sorry no update I'll call the Garda again today at some stage


  • #199
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 18,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Frynge wrote: »
    As happened my da in 2001 when his car was stolen, he had to send the log book off to the insurance company before they paid out but he never sent the keys. When the car was found in an underground car park six months later, the Garda rang him to tell him it was found. He just told the Garda to deal with the insurance company. Only then did they look for the car keys.

    Sorry no update I'll call the Garda again today at some stage

    So your Dad and yourself have both had cars stolen? Coincidence or just bad luck? Is the neighbourhood a bit dodgy?


  • #200
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    So your Dad and yourself have both had cars stolen? Coincidence or just bad luck? Is the neighbourhood a bit dodgy?

    Both robbed from different parts of the country so I'll put it down to bad luck. Mainly because I hadnt it insured


  • #201
    coolisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭coolisin


    This just shows how messed up our public system is when there is so much little or no communication between two public bodies.

    Keep us up to date OP.

    Thanks for the read.


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  • #202
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    Sooooo......

    Turns out the person who has the car is claiming to have bought the car nearly a year before it was robbed:eek:

    From the information the Garda gave me on the phone, I'm fairly certain where the car is located. Two Garda went to the persons address but no one was there, so they will have to call back.

    The person had a letter witnessed by a solicitor I know and it says the car was bought from someone whose name he can't remember and he doesn't have the exact address but it is a block of apartments that I lived in 7 years ago.

    Looking like the car has been in the locality for the last two and a half years.


  • #203
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Did you have it insured or anything in the time between they claim they bought it and it was taken?


  • #204
    CianRyan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,730 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    So it's looking like this is the chap that stole the car in the first place?
    What a prick...


  • #205
    TheBody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭TheBody


    Frynge wrote: »
    Sooooo......

    Turns out the person who has the car is claiming to have bought the car nearly a year before it was robbed:eek:

    From the information the Garda gave me on the phone, I'm fairly certain where the car is located. Two Garda went to the persons address but no one was there, so they will have to call back.

    The person had a letter witnessed by a solicitor I know and it says the car was bought from someone whose name he can't remember and he doesn't have the exact address but it is a block of apartments that I lived in 7 years ago.

    Looking like the car has been in the locality for the last two and a half years.

    Are you sure your not getting mixed up and YOU are the one that robbed the car? :pac:


  • #206
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Sounds like the person who has it knows it is robbed or is indeed the thief. Clever back dating the change to before it was robbed.


  • #207
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,331 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    ha pull out any old tax documents you have on it, the log book and insurance details and take this guy on.

    Ridiculous. The guards should take possession irregardless as its a criminal matter as it was reported stolen. until proof of ownership is taken.

    A solicitors letter means NOTHING>


  • #208
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Frynge wrote: »
    Sooooo......

    Turns out the person who has the car is claiming to have bought the car nearly a year before it was robbed:eek:

    so they claimed they bought it, but never got the keys, and just decided to leave it there for almost a year before somehow collecting it?


  • #209
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    smash wrote: »
    so they claimed they bought it, but never got the keys, and just decided to leave it there for almost a year before somehow collecting it?
    And then waited almost 3 years before bothering to change the ownership.

    Smells of fish.


  • #210
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Did you have it insured or anything in the time between they claim they bought it and it was taken?

    Yarp it was insured up until August or September I will have to check.
    CianRyan wrote: »
    So it's looking like this is the chap that stole the car in the first place?
    What a prick...

    That may be the case
    TheBody wrote: »
    Are you sure your not getting mixed up and YOU are the one that tobbed the car? :pac:

    Negatory

    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Sounds like the person who has it knows it is robbed or is indeed the thief. Clever back dating the change to before it was robbed.


    See above.


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  • #211
    thenightrider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭thenightrider


    Frynge wrote: »
    Sooooo......

    Turns out the person who has the car is claiming to have bought the car nearly a year before it was robbed:eek:


    They are just digging a hole for them self's why would they be only looking to get the car in there name now if they had bought it in 2008.


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