Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Savage Tyrant · 06-07-2012 11:55PM

The makers of GoalRef and Hawk-Eye goal-line technology have told Rangers they can't use the system next season.

Apparently it doesn't work with goal posts made from jumpers.

Sorry! :P

lubo_moravcik · 07-07-2012 08:04AM

John Bomber Brown @johnbomberbrown Ask about £11m loan. You the fans will have to PAY for with your season tickets. What will be left to run the club.

What's good old Bomber talking about now?

jack presley · 07-07-2012 11:06AM

What are the odds of Celtic drawing Rangers in the Scottish Cup this season?

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-07-2012 11:15AM

jack presley wrote: »

What are the odds of Celtic drawing Rangers in the Scottish Cup this season?

A big fat zero as Rangers are no more

jack presley · 07-07-2012 11:16AM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

A big fat zero as Rangers are no more

Ah you know what I mean

Jelle1880 · 07-07-2012 03:07PM

jack presley wrote: »

Ah you know what I mean

Nah, it's fine, just wait until it happens (because it will, I'm sure they'll find a way) and see how excited the resident Celtic fans here get

ColeTrain · 07-07-2012 03:35PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nah, it's fine, just wait until it happens (because it will, I'm sure they'll find a way) and see how excited the resident Celtic fans here get

Excited about playing a lower league team? I doubt it

Jelle1880 · 07-07-2012 03:45PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Excited about playing a lower league team? I doubt it

For a thread about a lower league team there sure are a lot of Celtic fans in it

Maybe we can make a thread about Queen's Park and see in which thread Dempsey posts the most :P

the realpigiron · 07-07-2012 04:03PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18754479

The powers that be in Scottish football are actively trying to create and promote a deal where the new club are admitted to Div 1. BTW I've heard McCoist and loads of others from within the now defunct Rangers camp say that starting in Div 3 would be the best option for the new club. I again repeat, there is nothing to stop the new club doing just that and simply applying to be allowed entry to compete at Div 3 level.

McCoist and other reps of the former Rangers are coming across as disingenuous when they say they should start at the bottom, when in actual fact they have applied to go straight back into the SPL and after that was rejected will now try to go straight in at Div 1 level. They've been looking for the easy way out all the time, it's the same mentality that got them in this mess in the first place.

ColeTrain · 07-07-2012 04:34PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

For a thread about a lower league team there sure are a lot of Celtic fans in it

Maybe we can make a thread about Queen's Park and see in which thread Dempsey posts the most :P

This thread was about Rangers. Perhaps it's time to start an official Sevco thread.

Jelle1880 · 07-07-2012 04:47PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18754479

The powers that be in Scottish football are actively trying to create and promote a deal where the new club are admitted to Div 1. BTW I've heard McCoist and loads of others from within the now defunct Rangers camp say that starting in Div 3 would be the best option for the new club. I again repeat, there is nothing to stop the new club doing just that and simply applying to be allowed entry to compete at Div 3 level.

McCoist and other reps of the former Rangers are coming across as disingenuous when they say they should start at the bottom, when in actual fact they have applied to go straight back into the SPL and after that was rejected will now try to go straight in at Div 1 level. They've been looking for the easy way out all the time, it's the same mentality that got them in this mess in the first place.

Bollocks, McCoist doesn't make the decisions where we apply.

He has spoken to several fans at length and he is serious when he says he thinks we should play in Div3.

It's Green and Murray who don't seem to know what they want.

PauloMN · 07-07-2012 06:04PM

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-vote/2201

So there's be a vote to allow Sevco in to Div 3, unless of course it's been pre-arranged that they will play in Div 1?

I'm still of the view that no matter what the feeling among fans is, Sevco FC will be playing 1st division football next season.

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-07-2012 06:18PM

Amazing

SFL wrote:

(ii) That the Scottish Football League Members direct the Board of Management of The Scottish Football League (the “Board”) to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13 unless the Board shall have to its satisfaction negotiated and reached agreement with The Scottish Premier League and The Scottish Football Association on a series of measures which the Board shall consider to be in the best interests of the game, how it is structured, how it is governed and how it is financed, whereupon the Board shall be authorised to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the First Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13.

The key bits are in bold & underlined. The SFL are asking their clubs to allow Sevco into Div 3 or Div 1 if the SFL board thinks that Div 1 is in the best interests of the SFL.

So the SFL clubs are only being asked to admit Sevco into the bottom division with the right of the SFL management to bump them to Div 1 as they see fit.

lubo_moravcik · 07-07-2012 07:11PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

For a thread about a lower league team there sure are a lot of Celtic fans in it

Maybe we can make a thread about Queen's Park and see in which thread Dempsey posts the most :P

This thread was about Rangers. Perhaps it's time to start an official Sevco thread.

I did start one and it was binned

PauloMN · 07-07-2012 07:36PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

I did start one and it was binned

Well considering the 2011/2012 Celtic and Rangers threads were created in the middle of June last year, the mods will need to think about the name for the new one soon.... it's already late!!

legendary.xix · 07-07-2012 07:47PM

PauloMN wrote: »

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-vote/2201

So there's be a vote to allow Sevco in to Div 3, unless of course it's been pre-arranged that they will play in Div 1?

I'm still of the view that no matter what the feeling among fans is, Sevco FC will be playing 1st division football next season.

If you are right and a new team gets to bypass two divisions, it will be a disgrace. Scottish football will lose all respect and integrity. Allowing a team to bypass two divisions for money is corruption. It's corruption pure and simple. Questions should be asked of those making the effort for that corruption to take place. Do they pass for being fit for the purpose of the positions that they have?

the realpigiron · 07-07-2012 08:07PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Bollocks, McCoist doesn't make the decisions where we apply.

He has spoken to several fans at length and he is serious when he says he thinks we should play in Div3.

It's Green and Murray who don't seem to know what they want.

Can't ye as potential supporters of Sevco tell them what ye want, seeing as ye keep saying ye want to start from Div 3 with no strings attached. Tell Sevco ye want to start in Div 3, and that your support for the new club is conditional on that outcome. Otherwise ye are just talking through your holes.

jack presley · 07-07-2012 08:10PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

Can't ye as potential supporters of Sevco tell them what ye want, seeing as ye keep saying ye want to start from Div 3 with no strings attached. Tell Sevco ye want to start in Div 3, and that your support for the new club is conditional on that outcome. Otherwise ye are just talking through your holes.

What will be the strings attached if they go straight into division 1? Will they be the same as what was being talked about if their application to the SPL was successful?

the realpigiron · 07-07-2012 08:14PM

jack presley wrote: »

What will be the strings attached if they go straight into division 1? Will they be the same as what was being talked about if their application to the SPL was successful?

If they are to believed, McCoist and many of the supporters of the former Rangers say they want to start at the bottom because that's where they should start from as a new club and a new entity.

Savage Tyrant · 07-07-2012 08:17PM

jack presley wrote: »

What will be the strings attached if they go straight into division 1? Will they be the same as what was being talked about if their application to the SPL was successful?

I doubt it. If they put the new club straight into Div.1 it's for one reason, to ensure they are given the best opportunity to be in the top tier again the following season. Sanctions would only hinder that aim.
It's a disgrace that Div.1 was ever even considered let alone practically and forcefully bullied into effect.

PauloMN · 07-07-2012 08:50PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

I doubt it. If they put the new club straight into Div.1 it's for one reason, to ensure they are given the best opportunity to be in the top tier again the following season. Sanctions would only hinder that aim.
It's a disgrace that Div.1 was ever even considered let alone practically and forcefully bullied into effect.

I disagree ST. I think they would apply sanctions if they landed them into Div 1. This was the point of this idea initially being mooted.... that putting them in Div 1 with sanctions would be a "compromise" - they would be punishing Sevco, but also trying to ensure the financial stability of Scottish football.

It's astonishing that - from what it looks like now - most fans of SFL clubs and the clubs themselves, along with Sevco fans themselves want the new club in Div 3, yet the football authorities seem to be doing everything in their power to force through a decision to get them into Div 1. Again, I think they would do exactly the same thing if this were Celtic we were talking about, and again I would think exactly the same.

They are banking on football fans being as fickle as Jelle suggested, which may be the case, but personally I think they are taking a huge risk and I reckon if Div 1 is pushed through, they'll end up with far bigger problems than the lack of Sky cash for a few years.

Jelle1880 · 07-07-2012 09:24PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

If they are to believed, McCoist and many of the supporters of the former Rangers say they want to start at the bottom because that's where they should start from as a new club and a new entity.

The reasons we want to start in the third division are:

1. It's the right thing to do
2. We don't want to be punished on one hand (point deductions, fines,...), but kept in the SPL/First Division just so the SPL can keep profiting from us
3. It can be seen as a chance to overhaul the club and build up a solid, healthy business model.

It's **** all to do with a 'new club' or 'new entity'.

the realpigiron · 07-07-2012 09:39PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

The reasons we want to start in the third division are:

1. It's the right thing to do
2. We don't want to be punished on one hand (point deductions, fines,...), but kept in the SPL/First Division just so the SPL can keep profiting from us
3. It can be seen as a chance to overhaul the club and build up a solid, healthy business model.

It's **** all to do with a 'new club' or 'new entity'.

Well go ahead and insist as potential supporters of the new club that ye only give your support on condition that Sevco apply for a place in Div 3.

Savage Tyrant · 07-07-2012 09:58PM

PauloMN wrote: »

I disagree ST. I think they would apply sanctions if they landed them into Div 1. This was the point of this idea initially being mooted.... that putting them in Div 1 with sanctions would be a "compromise" - they would be punishing Sevco, but also trying to ensure the financial stability of Scottish football.

I don't get it though. Trying to ensure the financial stability of the Scottish game was in my belief a veil to lessen the punishment and ensure the Newco were playing top flight football ASAP. I would imagine sanctions would only delay that.
If by chance, it took them 3 seasons to get promoted (unlikely as it may be)... Would that be less damaging financially to the game than if they had played those 3 seasons in Div.3, Div.2 and Div.1 respectively?
What other reason would there be for the powers that be have for wanting the new club in Div.1 other than to hasten their arrival in the top flight? And how would sanctions facilitate that? If they do anything to slow them down then they may aswell have started them in Div.3 as everyone wanted anyway.

bobmalooka · 07-07-2012 10:42PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

I don't get it though. Trying to ensure the financial stability of the Scottish game was in my belief a veil to lessen the punishment and ensure the Newco were playing top flight football ASAP. I would imagine sanctions would only delay that.
If by chance, it took them 3 seasons to get promoted (unlikely as it may be)... Would that be less damaging financially to the game than if they had played those 3 seasons in Div.3, Div.2 and Div.1 respectively?
What other reason would there be for the powers that be have for wanting the new club in Div.1 other than to hasten their arrival in the top flight? And how would sanctions facilitate that? If they do anything to slow them down then they may aswell have started them in Div.3 as everyone wanted anyway.

exactly santions that arent quite enough to slow them down in getting back into the SPL but enough for them to pretend justice was served.

Its bullcrap, everyone see's through it and it will drive fans away from the 'sport'.

Hopefully the SFL clubs have the nerve to save football in scotland.

PauloMN · 07-07-2012 10:51PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Hopefully the SFL clubs have the nerve to save football in scotland.

Doesn't look like they'll get the chance to though, even if they wanted to.

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-07-2012 11:07PM

The only way they can do it is to reject Sevco from Division 3 which is very unlikely to happen and it is very likely the SFL will then promote Sevco to Division 1 without ever playing a match!!! That is Scottish football in a nutshell!

chopperbyrne · 08-07-2012 11:38AM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Amazing

The key bits are in bold & underlined. The SFL are asking their clubs to allow Sevco into Div 3 or Div 1 if the SFL board thinks that Div 1 is in the best interests of the SFL.

So the SFL clubs are only being asked to admit Sevco into the bottom division with the right of the SFL management to bump them to Div 1 as they see fit.

That talks about Rangers FC though, which is now a completely different, (practically) defunct club.

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-07-2012 12:58PM

chopperbyrne wrote: »

That talks about Rangers FC though, which is now a completely different, (practically) defunct club.

To the SFA, SPL & SFL, Rangers FC and Sevco are one and the same. More from Alex Thomson

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/despicable-actions-scottish-football-authorities/2211

My sources have spoken exclusively to Channel 4 News and say that many in the league are not simply enraged that their vote is being taken away but that the SFA and SPL are now also directly involved and directly involved in effectively gagging the League clubs by stifling their votes.

My sources decline to be identified at this stage but one said:

“They’ve just gone ahead to steamroller us. It’s farcical. They’ve cooked it all up amongst themselves.”

Speaking on condition of anonymity he says there is now very little trust held by many senior League people in either the SFA or the SPL both as organisations in this matter and in terms of the conduct of their respective Chief Executives Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster.

He was one of a number this afternoon accusing Scottish Football of simply tearing up its own rulebook and suggested that either FIFA or UEFA might well be interested in taking a look at what is going on.

Jelle1880 · 08-07-2012 04:55PM

Regardless of the fact he's trying to bully clubs into accepting Rangers into SFL1, this has to be the end for Regan.

He already once favourited a tweet that mentioned Lee McCullouch should be hanged, but this is on a whole different level:

The article is from the Irish Independent and is basically a long, hate-filled rant against everything Rangers-related.

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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