Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 03:06PM

ebbsy wrote: »

And what do Sky make of all this ? They cannot be happy.

Leave all the stupid emotion aside, as that does not pay the bills.A SPL without Rangers ? Celtic the champions of a nothing league ? Less Rangers fans going through the turnstiles = less revenue for the clubs that voted no.

They will learn the hard way.

You think nobody has done the maths on this?

It would be worse having your own fans boycotting you because of Sevco in the SPL than losing the Sky deal + 2 Sevco away days.

ColeTrain · 04-07-2012 03:13PM

Not all bad news for Rangers staff, Ally is Charles Green's new driver.

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ebbsy wrote: »

And what do Sky make of all this ? They cannot be happy.

Leave all the stupid emotion aside, as that does not pay the bills.A SPL without Rangers ? Celtic the champions of a nothing league ? Less Rangers fans going through the turnstiles = less revenue for the clubs that voted no.

They will learn the hard way.

What stupid emotion?

Clubs might lose out on the away section being empty for two gates a year but that should never have been that crucial. If they had voted yes then they risked their own fans going against them.

2nd place is there for the taking now, maybe it might spur a few teams on.

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 03:20PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

4 teams to go into severe money trouble next season imo

Kilmarnock signed their own death warrant today

bren2001 · 04-07-2012 03:31PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Not all bad news for Rangers staff, Ally is Charles Green's new driver.

What stupid emotion?

Clubs might lose out on the away section being empty for two gates a year but that should never have been that crucial. If they had voted yes then they risked their own fans going against them.

2nd place is there for the taking now, maybe it might spur a few teams on.

Thats not the money the clubs care about, its the TV rights deal that counts. Its not worth anything near it was now that the Old Firm wont be on.

delos · 04-07-2012 03:31PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Not all bad news for Rangers staff, Ally is Charles Green's new driver.

I'll bet it wasn't an Audi.....:eek:

donfers · 04-07-2012 03:31PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Not all bad news for Rangers staff, Ally is Charles Green's new driver.

could save them a few quid if existing staff take on a number of different roles

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 03:35PM

bren2001 wrote: »

Thats not the money the clubs care about, its the TV rights deal that counts. Its not worth anything near it was now that the Old Firm wont be on.

The Sky deal vastly undervalued the league anyways, Scottish football will be better off not being under its thumb.

Again, fans boycotting their own clubs and boycotting clubs voting in favour of Sevco was a bigger problem

Beefy78 · 04-07-2012 03:45PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Kilmarnock signed their own death warrant today

Do you mean that there will be a boycott of them?

If so isn't blackmailing a Club like that every bit as bad as the applying the sort of pressure that it looks like lower league clubs have had applied on them to accept the SFL proposal.

If you didn't mean that then carry on

Coillte_Bhoy · 04-07-2012 03:48PM

Dempsey wrote: »

You think nobody has done the maths on this?

It would be worse having your own fans boycotting you because of Sevco in the SPL than losing the Sky deal + 2 Sevco away days.

But nobody can tell how influential or not these boycotts would have been. I honestly think celtic will struggle to attract decent players for the nesxt couple of seasons

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 04:01PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

Do you mean that there will be a boycott of them?

If so isn't blackmailing a Club like that every bit as bad as the applying the sort of pressure that it looks like lower league clubs have had applied on them to accept the SFL proposal.

If you didn't mean that then carry on

No, not blackmailing. Away fans choosing not support Kilmarnock because of their abstaining is their own choice. Kilmarnock's financial model is largely based on income they dont control, thats why they signed their own death warrant.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

But nobody can tell how influential or not these boycotts would have been. I honestly think celtic will struggle to attract decent players for the nesxt couple of seasons

Ibrox represented ~28% of attendances in the SPL. You could have seen alot more than that staying away from all grounds if they stayed. The idea of Sevco getting into the SPL disgusted a huge amount of Scottish Football fans, but especially season ticket holders at clubs.

Celtic will struggle if they dont progress into into the group stages of European competitions. It would have been worse in the long term for Celtic to be stuck in the football equivalent of WWE wrestling.

Coillte_Bhoy · 04-07-2012 04:05PM

Dempsey wrote: »

No, not blackmailing. Away fans choosing not support Kilmarnock because of their abstaining is their own choice. Kilmarnock's financial model is largely based on income they dont control, thats why they signed their own death warrant.

Ibrox represented ~28% of attendances in the SPL. You could have seen alot more than that staying away from all grounds if they stayed. The idea of Sevco getting into the SPL disgusted a huge amount of Scottish Football fans, but especially season ticket holders at clubs.

Maybe, but who knows if the boycott would have lasted, may ahve petered out after a while, who knows.

Dempsey wrote: »

Celtic will struggle if they dont progress into into the group stages of European competitions. It would have been worse in the long term for Celtic to be stuck in the football equivalent of WWE wrestling.

I dont see how it would have been wprse tbh? Im glad they are not going to be in the spl, it had to be done, but i dont get your point.

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 04:13PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I dont see how it would have been wprse tbh? Im glad they are not going to be in the spl, it had to be done, but i dont get your point.

Celtic get enough flak being in the SPL, what do you think would happen if the public consensus was that Celtic could never be properly punished or relegated? What attraction would Celtic hold for fans or players that believe the SPL is no longer an actual sport

Coillte_Bhoy · 04-07-2012 04:15PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Celtic get enough flak being in the SPL, what do you think would happen if the public consensus was that Celtic could never be properly punished or relegated? What attraction would Celtic hold for fans or players that believe the SPL is no longer an actual sport

What??

In a few years if we havent had any european success and we're walking away with a one horse league, no big derbies etc what attraction would we be to players? The real fans will always be there

The_Kew_Tour · 04-07-2012 04:22PM

By looks of things Hibs season Ticket sales are going be higher next season and that's coming off worst defeat in clubs history.

I dont think it will be all doom and gloom for Scottish Football now that the Old Rangers are gone.

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 04:25PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

What??

In a few years if we havent had any european success and we're walking away with a one horse league, no big derbies etc what attraction would we be to players? The real fans will always be there

Alot of Scottish Football fans are already sick of the current SPL format, Sevco getting back would allow it continue with both Glasgow clubs maintaining a stranglehold on finances because the current voting structure cant be changed without one of them allowing the SPL10 control. If Sevco was allowed into the SPL today, the public consensus would be that its not an actual sport up in Scotland, its just a mechanism for 2 Glasgow clubs to play each other several times a season. Neither can be properly punished, even when they go to the wall. It would be glorified sports entertainment and fans would switch off in droves, who would want to pay to see that?

Real fans want to watch a sport. Are you telling me that you would have gone to many SPL matches if Sevco were admitted? I wouldnt, am I not a real fan because of that stance?

The_Kew_Tour · 04-07-2012 04:45PM

Funny Quote I saw today in Hibs net

"I used to enjoy my Killie pies but only place I will buy them now is Aldi"

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 04:58PM

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

N Doncaster: sees no danger of any clubs going bust as result of this decision

If Doncaster says it, it must be true!

Jelle1880 · 04-07-2012 05:04PM

Any truth in it that Celtic season tickets have gone up in price ?

How can they justify this now ?

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 05:04PM

www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=2760

Statement from Celtic Football Club

CELTIC Football Club today confirmed that it opposed re-admission to the Scottish Premier League by Rangers newco.

Today´s decision to refuse access into the SPL was an overwhelming one and demonstrates the depth of feeling amongst everyone involved in Scottish football.

Fundamentally, the Celtic Board has also been very mindful of the need to take what it believes to be the correct course of action in protecting the integrity of the game in Scotland

The matter is now within the jurisdiction of the Scottish Football Association and it will be for the SFA to decide on the future of Rangers newco.

Throughout the whole sequence of events leading up to today’s decision the Celtic Board has been of the singular view that the integrity of the game in Scotland is of paramount importance. Our only other consideration has been to protect the interests and right of the Club and our supporters.

Whilst the financial implications of today’s vote for Celtic and for the Scottish game as a whole will be very significant, we have already stated that Celtic has a business plan and strategy independent of any other club.

Our supporters can rest assured that we will continue to fight to protect Celtic’s best interests within the Scottish game.

In addition, we will be working with our other fellow SPL clubs in the days and weeks ahead to take all possible steps to maximise commercial returns, which remain crucial in these economically-challenging circumstances. We will also play an active role in mapping the future of Scottish football.

The fans are the lifeblood of the game and we know how strongly our supporters, and those of other clubs, felt about this issue.

We are confident that Celtic’s fans, together with the supporters of all the SPL clubs, will now play a major role in rallying behind their clubs to ensure that Scottish football emerges stronger from this episode.

During Celtic’s long and illustrious 125-year history, there have been periods of difficulty. At these times, our supporters have always stood shoulder to shoulder with the Club. We need our supporters to be with us now, more than ever.

We know our own supporters will be acutely aware of the significant challenges that lie ahead. We enter next season as Champions of Scotland and look ahead to retaining our title and to making an impact in a European context. We know how difficult this will be and we call on our supporters to join us in tackling these challenges, to take their place at Celtic Park, to invest in the Club and to continue to give us the kind of support for which they are renowned.

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 05:21PM

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

Senior Hampden source telling me clearly Charles Green's presentation on Rangers Newco entering SPL bombed. It only increased opposition.

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

Am told SPL chairman were expecting nothing less than utter humility and abject contrtion

LOL, I would have paid more to see that than TDKR!

Coillte_Bhoy · 04-07-2012 05:51PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Alot of Scottish Football fans are already sick of the current SPL format, Sevco getting back would allow it continue with both Glasgow clubs maintaining a stranglehold on finances because the current voting structure cant be changed without one of them allowing the SPL10 control. If Sevco was allowed into the SPL today, the public consensus would be that its not an actual sport up in Scotland, its just a mechanism for 2 Glasgow clubs to play each other several times a season. Neither can be properly punished, even when they go to the wall. It would be glorified sports entertainment and fans would switch off in droves, who would want to pay to see that?

Real fans want to watch a sport. Are you telling me that you would have gone to many SPL matches if Sevco were admitted? I wouldnt, am I not a real fan because of that stance?

Thegeneral public probably couldnt are less, football fans would think like that, yes. The spl as it stood anyway is just a vehicle for what you say, and rangers have been punished, wheteher we agree on the scale of it or not. As for going to matches, i can only get to a couple game sa year so only go to european games, though if i was in Glasgow im sure i would contiue to go to games, be pissed off about the situation but at the end of the day i support the club. And i dont what you mean by asking are you not a real fan?

snaps · 04-07-2012 05:57PM

Thought id post something. I love football, I'll watch anything. Loved watching the old firms, but have to say it was the only Scottish football i ever watched. I have a lot of mates that are celtic fans. They've already had a giggle at this rangers situation, but now its hit home as they've realised what do they have to look forward to this season and onwards? A good European run is all thats left.

So if im not a Scottish football fan and I only watched the old firms, how many people out there are there that are like me?

Great loss for Scottish football. Perhaps the cameras will follow Rangers to where ever they end up, so thats where the money will end up?

Coillte_Bhoy · 04-07-2012 06:02PM

snaps wrote: »

Thought id post something. I love football, I'll watch anything. Loved watching the old firms, but have to say it was the only Scottish football i ever watched. I have a lot of mates that are celtic fans. They've already had a giggle at this rangers situation, but now its hit home as they've realised what do they have to look forward to this season and onwards? A good European run is all thats left.

So if im not a Scottish football fan and I only watched the old firms, how many people out there are there that are like me?

Great loss for Scottish football. Perhaps the cameras will follow Rangers to where ever they end up, so thats where the money will end up?

So people like you and other football fans wont have derby games to watch on tv for a few years, so what?

A Dub in Glasgo · 04-07-2012 06:14PM

snaps wrote: »

...... I love football, I'll watch anything. Loved watching the old firms, but have to say it was the only Scottish football i ever watched.....

Bit of a contradiction there

Lawrence1895 · 04-07-2012 06:32PM

Loads of people used to like watching the derby in Glasgow, due to a certain reputation...and I'm pretty sure, some of them knew nothing about the history of both clubs, it was just all about watching a derby full of passion, red cards, fans going bonkers...

snaps · 04-07-2012 08:08PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

snaps wrote: »

Thought id post something. I love football, I'll watch anything. Loved watching the old firms, but have to say it was the only Scottish football i ever watched. I have a lot of mates that are celtic fans. They've already had a giggle at this rangers situation, but now its hit home as they've realised what do they have to look forward to this season and onwards? A good European run is all thats left.

So if im not a Scottish football fan and I only watched the old firms, how many people out there are there that are like me?

Great loss for Scottish football. Perhaps the cameras will follow Rangers to where ever they end up, so thats where the money will end up?

So people like you and other football fans wont have derby games to watch on tv for a few years, so what?

the money and interest will run dry in Scottish football. No old firm=no interest in Scottish football. Who wants to watch Celtic win the spl every season?

Yes no derby games to watch, but for most people outside Scotland, that's one of the only attractions of Scottish football (Celtic v rangers)

I actually agree that rangers need to be punished, but its sad to see it happening.

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 08:10PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18706453

A Westminster committee is to hold an inquiry into the state of Scottish football.

Taxpayers money hard at work!

A Dub in Glasgo · 04-07-2012 08:34PM

snaps wrote: »

I actually agree that rangers need to be punished, but its sad to see it happening.

Dry your eyes, what is sad is that the taxpayer has been shafted by Rangers

Dempsey · 04-07-2012 08:41PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Dry your eyes, what is sad is that the taxpayer has been shafted by Rangers

Dont forget every club and business that they owe money to

Nick Eardley ‏@nickeardley

Stewart Regan: there will be “social unrest” in Scotland if Rangers aren't allowed in to First Division. On http://scotsman.com soon

Social unrest if Sevco dont get into Div1, this guy should be in a dole queue somewhere

PauloMN · 04-07-2012 08:50PM

Dempsey wrote: »

www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=2760

Statement from Celtic Football Club

A lot of people were calling for Celtic to show their cards earlier, I think they handled this very well tbh. Knowing what Scotland is like, it would have been a media circus had Celtic made public their voting intention earlier. All the focus would have been on how Celtic were voting - yet in the end it mattered little, as the decision was made weeks ago by others. The best course of action was what they did i.e. place their vote and release a statement clearly explaining their decision.

As for the full impact of all this - well we'll just have to wait and see. It'll get very tough for some clubs to manage if Newco go to Div 3, that's for sure. But maybe some of those clubs have to go to the wall for things to move on. Of course it'll mean no Glasgow derbies for a while, which is a shame, but we just have to get on with it and put all our energies into Europe. I sincerely hope that some other clubs become the stronger for it in the long term, and that the proposed league restructuring will go ahead.

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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