Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Helix · 29-06-2012 05:22PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Threats to clubs also..... nice:
http://sport.stv.tv/football/108457-spl-threaten-breakaway-league-if-sfl-clubs-do-not-agree-to-rangers-plans/

surely the SPL can't break away without the SFA standing over the competition? otherwise it'd be a standalone set of leagues with absolutely no ability to play in european competition, and wouldn't be regcognised by fifa/uefa?

Dempsey · 29-06-2012 05:35PM

Helix wrote: »

surely the SPL can't break away without the SFA standing over the competition? otherwise it'd be a standalone set of leagues with absolutely no ability to play in european competition, and wouldn't be regcognised by fifa/uefa?

The SPL can create a 2nd tier but who's going to fill the spots? Are they going to pull Div2 club in over the Div1 clubs that wont play ball? They wont get it setup in time for the start of this season so how exactly will it work? Its a desperate, half baked, idle threat!

Helix · 29-06-2012 05:43PM

spl can create a second tier but can't the sfa cease to recognise the spl as a valid entity, which would then mean that none of the teams are recognised under uefa or fifa - essentially make it a completely unrecognised, unofficial league

Dempsey · 29-06-2012 05:54PM

Helix wrote: »

spl can create a second tier but can't the sfa cease to recognise the spl as a valid entity, which would then mean that none of the teams are recognised under uefa or fifa - essentially make it a completely unrecognised, unofficial league

In theory, I suppose that could be done but the SFA dont have a backbone, its been proven time and time again.

A Dub in Glasgo · 29-06-2012 06:23PM

I didn't think the Rangers farce would get any more farcical but it did just that with that SFA / SPL / SFL document. It is the biggest load of shite I have read in a long time.

I have not seen one interview / report that challenges the whole thing.

Leiva · 29-06-2012 07:32PM

Seriously there can be no way this can be accepted surely ?

If the fans allow this then no one can ever complain again.

Dempsey · 29-06-2012 08:48PM

Leiva wrote: »

Seriously there can be no way this can be accepted surely ?

If the fans allow this then no one can ever complain again.

The majority of Scottish Football fans support SPL clubs and the SPL vote will be rejected due to fan pressure/boycotts. The SPL & SFL are now attempting to buy the SFL vote. Fans will be entitled to complain if the minority sell out.

delos · 30-06-2012 12:34AM

Dempsey wrote: »

The SPL & SFL are now attempting to buy the SFL vote. Fans will be entitled to complain if the minority sell out.

While the thirty pieces of silver (which I would be surpried to see half of it being delivered) has certainly been wheeled out, the SPL & SFA putting a gun to the heads of the SFL clubs is a little closer to what is going on. So far I've only heard one SPL club (Aberdeen) come out and condemn the plan to let them start in the 1st Division. No doubt the others still have sporting integrity as the paramount concern but don't want to speak out because it's an SFL issue :rolleyes:

I know the SFL is dysfunctional but trust me, no fan of any club in the SFL wants them anywhere other than the 3rd Division at best and I'd be pretty sure most of the clubs want them in them 3rd Division, if at all. However, SPL2 would be a disaster for most of the clubs in the SFL and the SPL and SFA know this.

The SPL and SFA are responsible for this mess and while claiming the moral high-ground with their talk of sporting integrity with one hand they are trying to bully the SFL into cleaning it up and protecting the SPL clubs finances as much as possible with the other.

If they end up in the 1st Division, the SPL, the SPL clubs and the SFA are more to blame than the SFL clubs or their fans.

Dempsey · 30-06-2012 10:22AM

Clubs dont have to do their business via the media, some have declared their intentions via the media, others havent. Celtic havent but do you think for a second that they are in a position to say yes without huge repercussions? Aberdeen have reiterated what they have said previously, I dont see why clubs should be constantly doing their business via the media. It currently is a SFL issue, SPL clubs have no place putting pressure on them, its only their own fans that can do this. In fact if SPL clubs started dictating to the SFL clubs, it would be a sure fire way to get a "fúck you" reaction.

Cowdenbeath issued a statement that they would likely vote in favour for financial reasons. 4 clubs have stated that they'll vote no but there is no 75% rule in the SFL, it easily be a 50%+1 job and that could yet be a problem.

As for that last sentence, thats plain ridiculous.

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-06-2012 10:38AM

I think this is actually the SPL pushing the issue onto the SFL clubs. Make no mistake about it, this is the SPL protecting the financials by 'relegating' last seasons Rangers and offering inducements to the SFL clubs to allow Sevco to take over the old Rangers share of the SFL. If the inducements from the SPL don't sway, the SPL have issued threats of breakaways by setting up SPL2 and offering a number of clubs to join.

PauloMN · 30-06-2012 02:33PM

Clyde FC have issued a statement on the SPL/SFA document, makes very good reading. Absolutely nails it. Can't link as am on my phone but it's on the Clyde FC website. I hope the other clubs take it onboard.

Leiva · 30-06-2012 02:44PM

Clyde FC have just gone way up in my estimation. Fair play !

The Club has received a set of papers in advance of the SFL meeting on Tuesday. The essential intent behind those papers is to induce the SFL clubs to agree a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the SFL in the 1st Division in exchange for a range of structural changes to the current set up and some small financial inducements. Some of the proposed changes have merit in principle.

The Board believe that any proposals for change should not be rushed, as these have been. They also have to be done by consensus and not through threat or inducement, again, as these have been.

The papers include a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the 1st Division. This is contrary to the rules of the SFL and nothing within the papers justifies this proposal.

As a club owned by its supporters and recovering from having been on the brink of extinction, the Board of Clyde Football Club recognise the damage done to the credibility of Rangers Football Club by its successive owners, and the subsequent impact on staff and supporters. These proposals do nothing to restore that credibility.

It is not for us to become involved in punishment, that is a matter for the SPL and SFA. The SFL clubs are being asked to change their rules so that the SPL and SFA can apply sanctions that fit short term financial interests.

It is not for us to tell any club what they should want for themselves, but to enter anywhere other than the 3rd Division risks Rangers Football Club being burdened with the legacy of commencing its rebuilding in a manner that they later look back on with regret. Rangers Football Club does not need to be handed a competitive advantage, they are more than capable of returning to the SPL via the 3rd Division on their own merit. Rebuilding from the bottom can restore the dignity stripped from the club by its former owners.

The papers use emotive language to threaten a future of financial meltdown and they carry the implication of the destruction of the game should a Newco not be entered in the 1st Division. If things are as bad as indicated then Scottish Football is in a far worse state than is being acknowledged. In which case it is time to accept the bankrupt model needs fixed and not supported and perpetuated on the back of this proposal. The fact that other clubs might face similar financial distress because Rangers Football Club enter the 3rd Division is hardly a reason to compromise the integrity of the SFL and further compromise Rangers Football Club.

Rather than attempting to prepare a soft landing before delivering sanctions, it would be better to contemplate more radical change that might actually underpin financial stability in the long term for clubs that balance their books. Perhaps an amnesty from sanctions for clubs that are forced to face insolvency procedures in the next 2 years as a result of the current turmoil, and an automatic entry to the 3rd Division for any club liquidated and reformed in similar circumstances. This would allow 2 years to properly restructure the Scottish Game for the benefit of all and undo the damage that has been created by the current structure which encourages club directors to trade integrity for cash, and then spend beyond their means, willingly risking the very existence of football clubs. If we could believe that the game could be less self interested long enough to resolve this, then this, and other far better ideas, might be worth contemplating.

SPL clubs that have openly stated their opposition to a Newco being given immediate access to the SPL have taken the position based on their, and at times, their supporters' view of what is the right thing to do, however, the vote has still to be taken and proposals such as these are premature. If the SPL clubs vote as indicated on the basis of the increasingly discredited notion of sporting integrity, it would be questionable if the SFL clubs did otherwise.

The reality is that we are faced with unique circumstances and it would be foolish to pretend otherwise, that probably means that compromise for some is inevitable, and perhaps even worthwhile for everyone in the long term. The solution however is not this hastily cobbled together proposal.

The Board of this club sees no merit whatsoever in adopting this proposal.

Jelle1880 · 30-06-2012 02:51PM

Good statement, every man and his dog can see why they want Rangers to be put into the 1. Div.
Although, the fact that Rangers coming to their ground will be a massive financial windfall wouldn't have anything to do with it ?

On the other hand, the protest for 'No to Newco' was a brilliant success it seems.

Stevie Gallacher ‏@SteveFantana

Hampden protest a washout. 50 folk there. Although very much fans of all clubs, not just Celtic.

TheBuilder · 30-06-2012 03:15PM

Norwich have taken one step closer to relegation next season.

They've signed Whittaker on a four year deal.

Bob the Seducer · 30-06-2012 03:39PM

Kyle Lafferty officially gone too, he's agreed a 3 year deal with Celtic's arch nemeses from last year's Europa League, FC Sion.

http://www.u.tv/Sport/Kyle-Lafferty-makes-Swiss-move/f0b91892-822b-47d9-b1c2-1f2230cf9cec

delos · 30-06-2012 10:33PM

Dempsey wrote: »

....As for that last sentence, thats plain ridiculous.

Was it SPL clubs or SFL clubs that created, maintained and protected the distaster that is the SPL and have fought tooth and nail to ensure that they get two home gates from Rangers/Celtic a season, despite what it did to Scottish football?

Was it the SPL or th SFL who didn't have the liathróidí to suspend Rangers for what they have done during the last season alone?

Is it the SPL or the SFL that are threatening other clubs with SPL2 if they don't agree to a structure designed to return the status quo ASAP?

The SFA/ SPL created this mess without the help of the SFL, refused to sort it out propely themselves and are trying to throw the shíte over the wall into the neighbour's garden - whatever happens is the fault of the SPL, SPL clubs (who let this happen), the SFA in general and Rangers in particular. If anything is ridiculous it's suggesting that fans of SFL clubs (which is who I assume you mean by the minority) are in any way responsible for this.

In any case, I'm confident that the SFL clubs will not agree to "saving" the SPL because:

"fúck you" isn't a reaction to the SPL's bully tactics, it's more of a day to day attitude towards them from people associated with the SFL.
The threats won't work , especially to the 2nd and 3rd Division clubs who, quite frankly, live an a perpetual state of financial meltdown so any issues with Sky etc and revenue loss won't really make a difference.
If anything, it's in 2/3 of the SFL's interest to ensure that the newco start at the bottom as even if their travelling support drops to 1500, a couple of visits is going to be worth much more than they would see from any deals done.
Every SFL club knows what would happen if they went into liquidation.
I suspect that Cowdenbeth's stand has more to do with their chairman than any financial considerations.

Next month will be interesting, to say the least....

Dempsey · 30-06-2012 10:41PM

delos wrote: »

Was it SPL clubs or SFL clubs that created, maintained and protected the distaster that is the SPL and have fought tooth and nail to ensure that they get two home gates from Rangers/Celtic a season, despite what it did to Scottish football?

Was it the SPL or th SFL who didn't have the liathróidí to suspend Rangers for what they have done during the last season alone?

Is it the SPL or the SFL that are threatening other clubs with SPL2 if they don't agree to a structure designed to return the status quo ASAP?

The SFA/ SPL created this mess without the help of the SFL, refused to sort it out propely themselves and are trying to throw the shíte over the wall into the neighbour's garden - whatever happens is the fault of the SPL, SPL clubs (who let this happen), the SFA in general and Rangers in particular. If anything is ridiculous it's suggesting that fans of SFL clubs (which is who I assume you mean by the minority) are in any way responsible for this.

In any case, I'm confident that the SFL clubs will not agree to "saving" the SPL because:
"fúck you" isn't a reaction to the SPL's bully tactics, it's more of a day to day attitude towards them from people associated with the SFL.

The threats won't work , especially to the 2nd and 3rd Division clubs who, quite frankly, live an a perpetual state of financial meltdown so any issues with Sky etc and revenue loss won't really make a difference.

If anything, it's in 2/3 of the SFL's interest to ensure that the newco start at the bottom as even if their travelling support drops to 1500, a couple of visits is going to be worth much more than they would see from any deals done.

Every SFL club knows what would happen if they went into liquidation.

I suspect that Cowdenbeth's stand has more to do with their chairman than any financial considerations.

Next month will be interesting, to say the least....

Yes, the SPL is grossly incompetent but this sentence is ridiculous

If they end up in the 1st Division, the SPL, the SPL clubs and the SFA are more to blame than the SFL clubs or their fans.

You say all the above but you didnt address what I actually pulled you up on.

kensutz · 01-07-2012 05:16PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Norwich have taken one step closer to relegation next season.

They've signed Whittaker on a four year deal.

Really? :rolleyes:

Eirebear · 01-07-2012 05:17PM

kensutz wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Really what?

The guy's pish.

TheBuilder · 01-07-2012 05:20PM

kensutz wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Really :pac:

He can't defend to save himself.

Someone I know on another forum put it quite well. Tactics for every team against Norwich next season:

Attack down Norwich's right

Win football match.

cruiserweight · 01-07-2012 05:31PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Really what?

The guy's pish.

TheBuilder wrote: »

Really :pac:

He can't defend to save himself.

Someone I know on another forum put it quite well. Tactics for every team against Norwich next season:

Attack down Norwich's right

Win football match.

Could be worse could be Kirk Broadfoot

delos · 01-07-2012 11:20PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Yes, the SPL is grossly incompetent but this sentence is ridiculous

Quote:

If they end up in the 1st Division, the SPL, the SPL clubs and the SFA are more to blame than the SFL clubs or their fans.

You say all the above but you didnt address what I actually pulled you up on.

OK, I'll try to be a little clearer:

The problem was caused by the SFA, SPL and the constituent clubs of the SPL, so primarily they are to blame for the problem, or do you think this was caused simply by the evils of Rangers and the SFA, SPL and the SPL clubs are in no way responsible fro creating the environment that allowed this?

I'd be very surprised if the proposal to put the newco into Division 1 was created by the SFL clubs. It wasn't the SFL fans and I'd be surprised if it was driven by the SFL and the SPL and SFA had little or nothing to do with it. This solution is based purely on greed and self interest on the parts of the SPL clubs. For the sake of the argument let's split the responsibility for this equally between the SFL and the SFA/SPL.

A crude attempt to influence the vote was the threat that if the SFL don't agree the SPL will form the SPL2 and fit the newco in there along with the chosen few who supported them and those who do not will never be allowed near the top-flight, no matter what. Is the bully more to blame for the results of bullying than the victim?

So the SPL, the SPL clubs and the SFA created the problem, were at least partly to blame for a crazy solution based on greed and self interest on the part of the SPL clubs and issued crude threats to try and push this through. Yet you think it is ridiculous to suggest that the majority of the blame for the outcome rests on them?

What is ridiculous is your suggestion that SFL fans are to blame if the newco end up in Division 1:

The majority of Scottish Football fans support SPL clubs and the SPL vote will be rejected due to fan pressure/boycotts. The SPL & SFL are now attempting to buy the SFL vote. Fans will be entitled to complain if the minority sell out.

Dempsey · 02-07-2012 03:21PM

You still dont explain how SPL clubs are more to blame if SFL clubs vote Sevco into Div1. SPL clubs didnt make up the rules of the SFL, SPL clubs arent telling Sevco how to go about their business, SPL clubs aren't telling the SPL or SFL to influence SFL club vote. Your rant is well wide of the mark.

Dempsey · 02-07-2012 05:19PM

Grant Russell ‏@STVGrant

"If these players wanted to play in Europe, they would've stayed at Rangers," Charles Green, despite 3-year UEFA competition ban on newcos.

Surely thats grounds for failing the fit and proper persons test?! :pac:

Jelle1880 · 02-07-2012 06:22PM

No bother, they're not gonna do one at all :rolleyes:

TheBuilder · 02-07-2012 07:47PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Grant Russell ‏@STVGrant

"If these players wanted to play in Europe, they would've stayed at Rangers," Charles Green, despite 3-year UEFA competition ban on newcos.

Surely thats grounds for failing the fit and proper persons test?! :pac:

Taking tiny bits of quotes to pander to other fans again Grant.

Green was referring to Whittakers statement of wanting to play European football, when even with a 3 year exclusion Rangers will play in Europe again before Norwich.

Dempsey · 02-07-2012 11:15PM

Green insulting other clubs? He should wait till he actually owns a football club and knows what league his club will be playing in before throwing insults.

Jim Spence ‏@bbcjimspence

East Fife say Newco must Follow Normal application route into third tier of SFL

Another nail...

Savage Tyrant · 02-07-2012 11:28PM

Airdrie United will abstain from any vote on the future of a Rangers newco in the Scottish Football League, according to their chairman Jim Ballantyne.

As far as I know, an abstained vote is considered as a NO for counting purposes on acceptance of a peoposal is it not?

Pompey Magnus · 03-07-2012 12:02AM

Seems to be some talk over on St Mirren forums that their chairman is pushing to have The Rangers parachuted straight into the SPL, Daily Record claiming at least 3 SPL chairmen were in talks last night to achieve this.

Dempsey · 03-07-2012 12:07AM

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4407410/Charles-Green-offers-an-escape-plan.html

CHARLES GREEN has hatched a last-ditch plan to keep crisis-torn Rangers in the SPL.

Green’s sensational scheme would:

Back SPL voting reform and slash the Old Firm’s influence;

Agree a fairer split of revenue and cut payments to the Old Firm;

Accept the transfer embargo given by the SFA appeals body;

Pay all Gers’ football debts at home and abroad;

Take a points deduction for at least one, possibly more seasons;

Issue a public apologise for Gers’ past wrongdoing.

Charles Green has no shame

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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