Son Of General Retro Discussion

Atavan-Halen · 28-06-2012 08:55PM

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

atavan-halen wrote: »

Gladly no. It's an O2 money card which doesn't have enough to cover the balance on it as I thought it wouldn't be shipped until the 1st.

Actually my card hasnt been charged yet either......-_-

FREE GAMES!!!

Pyongyang · 28-06-2012 09:57PM

Hmm, apparently Kokuga is NTSC-J only. I think I need an NTSC-J 3DS XL. Is there ANY shooting games coming to Vita?

johnny_ultimate · 28-06-2012 10:06PM

Pyongyang wrote: »

Is there ANY games coming to Vita?

Fixed your question :pac:

(although the Ys 4 remake is going to be an evil temptress when it shows up)

Also, since this post contains no jingles, here's the 7-11 one again, but this time from a very weird camera angle (where is this cameraperson standing?!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5VY1encyrA

Steve X2 · 28-06-2012 10:10PM

I bought a very nice case for my vitas that protects them really well. Very handy for when they're sitting on my shelf for weeks on end without me powering them up.

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ghostchant · 28-06-2012 10:23PM

Gravity Rush has made my Vita my current travelling companion.

johnny_ultimate · 28-06-2012 10:24PM

I like that there was a big deal made out of youtube for Vita. Great! Now I can have a version of youtube I'll never use on yet another device!

Also, did anyone notice that Uncharted and Uncharted 2 are up on PSN now? I only point this out because it provides evidence of why a download only future is a little bit off yet: they require almost 40GB of HDD space each :eek:

Steve X2 · 28-06-2012 10:42PM

ghostchant wrote: »

Gravity Rush has made my Vita my current travelling companion.

Must give it a look as I need a reason to use the bloody thing.

Here's the case I got for them. Its an official Sony one and you can change the pics in it but I just left it at the standard Wipeout one for the moment.
It actually does a decent job protecting the vita I must say. Plus it holds 8 games and 2 mem cards which is nice.

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a5y · 28-06-2012 10:50PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

And the one thing that all those console had in common was....

In 3D games, 3rd person view, the issue was always, always, always with the camera controls.
Even in something as sublime as Croc Mario64 the camera could, on occasion, go a bit mental and so you had to use the yellow cross pad, repurposed as second stick.

On reflection I think my preference for games actually spared me a lot of awkward camera angle games for the most part. After going through my Backloggery I've played sod all games where analogue sticks could assume control of the camera.

Even the awesomesauce Mario Galaxy, wonderful I here you say...
Yes, yes it is.
Faultless certainly?
Well, the camera was seldom an issue because it couldn't afford to be as the Wii had no second stick, so it was all levels built around spheres, camera problems solved right there.

Ah. Had I been a Nintendo kid intead of a Sega one I'd doubtlessly have played more Mario platformers and would almost certainly played the N64 3D Mario games. But I didn't.

As for not playing the post-2d Sonic era ones? Well timed teenage cynicism.

So, here we are, in the second decade of the 21st century.
We don't have real hover boards.
No holidays on Mars.
No hovercars.

The least bit of the future that I can demand is that my chosen 3D displaying handheld has a 2nd circle pad so I don't injure myself playing Kid Icarus!

You know Mattel are making "gliding" replicas of the BtTF Hoverboard for this Christmas right? Based on the original props?

Sure it won't exactly hover like the original, but I'd say by next February some Carnegie Mellon or MIT student with enough Red Bull, Lego blocks and Arduinos will have it working well enough for Segway to start panicking.

CiDeRmAn · 28-06-2012 11:08PM

Yeah, that replica hoverboard slides along the ground with " authentic" sound effects...
Now I was a fan of Back to the Future part 2 but I think a 40 year old man is simply going to look like a tit!

A flying DeLorean in the other hand, now that might just be a winner!!

I was a Nintendo/Sega/Sony gentleman, as a kid I had a selection of Atari, Grundig or other Pong clone! Teens gave me Sega/Ninty options, both of which had their place.

Is good to be format agnostic, forget about the make of console, fix on the games!

Atavan-Halen · 28-06-2012 11:11PM

I however would look great on a hoverboard. I want one!!

a5y · 28-06-2012 11:19PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Also, did anyone notice that Uncharted and Uncharted 2 are up on PSN now? I only point this out because it provides evidence of why a download only future is a little bit off yet: they require almost 40GB of HDD space each :eek:

I've a 5Mb/s line and just checked Wolfram Alpha.

Assuming (for the sake of argument) that Uncharted's download size is 35Gb (I made this figure up because I couldn't find the precise size anywhere, so it could well be far nearer to 40), and assuming my ISP defied the reality of claimed dial up speeds and actually delivered a perfect 5Mb/s, that download would take 1 hour, 56 minutes and 40 seconds.

I, and lots of other people, could finish* the original Prince of Persia TWICE, before that game can even start installing once the download is complete.

*Well, lots of other people. Not me. I suck at PoP. Frankly the Prince has a better chance of survival if he escaped to a game of Super Meat Boy, and the poor Princess can only hope for some understanding on the Iranian equivalent of Jeremy Kyle.

johnny_ultimate · 28-06-2012 11:22PM

The download itself is only half the install size, due to the magic of compression.

However, even with my magical 100mb line, I'd imagine that download would take days, given that PSN download speeds seem to defy all known broadband infrastructures and insist on crawling along at dial-up speeds.

Steve X2 · 28-06-2012 11:31PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The download itself is only half the install size, due to the magic of compression.

However, even with my magical 100mb line, I'd imagine that download would take days, given that PSN download speeds seem to defy all known broadband infrastructures and insist on crawling along at dial-up speeds.

Big downloads aren't a problem any more if you've a hefty bband connection but is the PS3 still really slow to download? I've not used mine online in a very long time.

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a5y · 28-06-2012 11:33PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Yeah, that replica hoverboard slides along the ground with " authentic" sound effects...
Now I was a fan of Back to the Future part 2 but I think a 40 year old man is simply going to look like a tit!

If a 40 year old man owns a hoverboard isn't refuses to dress like a cross between Evil Knievel, David Bowie and Lady Gaga, that 40 year old man doesn't deserve that hoverboard.

At an absolute minimum the mirrorshades are mandatory.

A flying DeLorean in the other hand, now that might just be a winner!!

I wouldn't be caught dead in a flying DeLorean, which is ironic because anyone who ever buys a flying DeLorean will very quickly catch their death in it.

For the sake of simplicity I propose and antigravity Aluminium Futurama styled suicide booth. Same thing ultimately.

I was a Nintendo/Sega/Sony gentleman, as a kid I had a selection of Atari, Grundig or other Pong clone! Teens gave me Sega/Ninty options, both of which had their place.

Is good to be format agnostic, forget about the make of console, fix on the games!

Format agnosticism is well and fine, but everyone starts from somewhere. Not many kids can get a MegaDrive and then have much hope of also getting a SNES.

Besides, screw the SNES. What self respecting 16 bit console can forego BLAST PROCESSING? Tsk.

johnny_ultimate · 28-06-2012 11:38PM

Steve SI wrote: »

Big downloads aren't a problem any more if you've a hefty bband connection but is the PS3 still really slow to download? I've not used mine online in a very long time.

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Aye, it's just something about that hardware in particular that seems reluctant to download fast. Odd considering Netflix streams in HD with nary a bother, even from the US!

With Steam and Xbox, 100mb/s is a godsend. With PS3, it barely makes any difference.

Steve X2 · 28-06-2012 11:48PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Aye, it's just something about that hardware in particular that seems reluctant to download fast. Odd considering Netflix streams in HD with nary a bother, even from the US!

With Steam and Xbox, 100mb/s is a godsend. With PS3, it barely makes any difference.

I thought they'd have sorted out the download speed at this stage. Not to worry, I don't think I'll be logging into PSN on the PS3 anytime soon.

Yeah, my connection is a bit over 100MB and you just don't even think about how long stuff takes to download anymore. I downloaded 600GB+ of GameCube "homebrew" in just over a day or so when I knew I was getting that very nice customised Cube from EnterNow and didnt even think about it. I've been beta testing new network speeds for NTL/UPC for years now and if people knew how long 100MB has been around I think they'd be fairly surprised.

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a5y · 29-06-2012 12:01AM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The download itself is only half the install size, due to the magic of compression.

However, even with my magical 100mb line, I'd imagine that download would take days, given that PSN download speeds seem to defy all known broadband infrastructures and insist on crawling along at dial-up speeds.

In that case I'm prepared to use hyperbole. Just a little

I could:

buy a sword
train to fight with the sword
learn fluent Persian
sort out visas and tickets
get on a plane to London
transfer
get on a plane to Saudi Arabia
transfer
get on a plane to Tehran
get off
get through customs
explain why I have a sword in my suitcase
bribe or fight my way out
get in a taxi
get kidnapped
escape
get to an internet cafe
go on Iranian Craigslist, find a local princess in need of rescuing
get in touch, see if someone has beaten me to it
have a moment of doubt
talk to a complete stranger in the internet cafe, tell him what I'm doing
get kidnapped, again
escape
go back to the internet cafe
apologise for not paying, explain I was getting kidnapped
go back on Iranian Craigslist
accept
get in a taxi
get kidnapped. Yet again
go to the palace
ask if I could get thrown in a dungeon
get told no, get lost, its a miracle I haven't been kidnapped already
meet a friendly-in-a-hostile-in-a-friendly-kinda-way guard who decides, what the hell, we've a perfectly good dungeon and it'd be a shame to waste it
get thrown in a dungeon
celebrate because things are finally going to plan
escape
wonder where my sword is
panic
calm down, realise this is totally cool
escape my cell
run all the way to the left
find my sword
run all the way to the right
meet the (lots of adjectives) guard again
"Ahaha, I knew this day would come!"
explain its only been, like, 3 minutes
annoy him
sword fight to the death
avoid incredibly elegantly engineered traps
regret I don't have a camera with me
find more stairs
defy more death
find the princess, finally
realise I'm not as fluent as I thought I was and can't say "I'm Luke Skywalker I'm here to rescue you" in Persian, sadly
explain whats happened
try to not come across as a crazy person (note: this will be particularly difficult)
tell her I'm from Ireland
acquiesce to her "Ireland? Do some Irish thing!" demands.
"Tá geansaí orm! Agus madrá rua!"
eventually convince her I'm harmless.
get in a taxi
stare in disbelief as she sings about the cabbie
on hearing "yo home to Bel Air!" I realise this isn't going to work out
tell her I'm having second thoughts.
"Its not you, its me. And by me I mean your love for Will Smith."
return to the airport
realise the fight/bribery is going to make this more complicated
sneak onto the plane in a cardboard box labelled "HIDEO"
fly to Saudi Arabia
transfer
fly to London
transfer
fly to Dublin
realise I left my sword in the taxi in Tehran
curse myself
walk to the taxis
there are none
walk home, probably in the rain, because there is no chance at this stage I'm not in a sulk. Not proud of it, but there's no denying it
arrive home
get in
make tea
drink tea
simultaneously have a good think about what I'm doing with my life
go to the shops
buy a "Get Well Soon" card for the (lots of adjectives) guard, and a stamp, for there is no chance that guy is dead
compose something respectful and thoughtful
send it
go home

and it'd still be faster than downloading Uncharted on the PS3.

Retr0gamer · 29-06-2012 12:08AM

a5y wrote: »

Besides, screw the SNES. What self respecting 16 bit console can forego BLAST PROCESSING? Tsk.

I love how no megadrive game actually used the technique that blast processing was actually referring to

a5y · 29-06-2012 12:11AM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I love how no megadrive game actually used the technique that blast processing was actually referring to

I'm surprised blast processing is an actual thing in programming, even if it isn't used. It sounds like non-specific technobabble from a B-movie sci-fi taking itself too seriously.

Retr0gamer · 29-06-2012 12:46AM

It was in the Sega CD article in retrogamer magazine. Scot Bayliss was the technical director of Sega of America at the time, I'll quote from the article:

One of our programmers called Marty Franz discovered that you could do this nifty trick by hooking the scan line interrupt and firing off a Direct Memory Access at just the right time. The result was that you could effectively jam data on to the graphics chip while the scan line was being drawn, which meant you could drive the Digitial-to-Analogue Convertors with 8 bits per pixel. Assuming you could get the timing just right, you could effectively draw 256-colour static images. There were all kinds of subtleties to the timing and the trick did not work reliably on all iterations of the hardware, but you could do it and it was cool as heck. So during the run up to the Western launch of the Mega-CD the PR guys interviewed me about what made the platform interesting from a technical standpoint and somewhere in there I mentioned the fact that you could just 'blast data into the DACs'. They loved the word 'blast' and the next thing I knew 'Blast Processing' was born.

In other words there's a chance your megadrive isn't even capable of blast processing :P

Myrddin · 29-06-2012 07:54AM

waveform wrote: »

+60hz

Oh, your PAL model doesn't do 60Hz? Tsk tsk, for shame man

Myrddin · 29-06-2012 08:00AM

a5y wrote: »

I've a 5Mb/s line and just checked Wolfram Alpha.

Assuming (for the sake of argument) that Uncharted's download size is 35Gb (I made this figure up because I couldn't find the precise size anywhere, so it could well be far nearer to 40), and assuming my ISP defied the reality of claimed dial up speeds and actually delivered a perfect 5Mb/s, that download would take 1 hour, 56 minutes and 40 seconds

Actually it'd take a lot longer than that. The download is 35GB [the capital B is important!] & ISP speeds are advertised in Mb [the small b is important].

bits n Bytes, Bytes & bits - http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=35GB+at+5Mb%2Fs

The Last Bandit · 29-06-2012 08:01AM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It was in the Sega CD article in retrogamer magazine. Scot Bayliss was the technical director of Sega of America at the time, I'll quote from the article:

In other words there's a chance your megadrive isn't even capable of blast processing :P

So basically its a hardware bug on some revisions.

Myrddin · 29-06-2012 08:04AM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Aye, it's just something about that hardware in particular that seems reluctant to download fast. Odd considering Netflix streams in HD with nary a bother, even from the US!

With Steam and Xbox, 100mb/s is a godsend. With PS3, it barely makes any difference.

It's not the PS3 hardware anyway, on my cfw PS3 I have gigabit ftp speeds...the hardware on the home end of things works as it should. I'd suggest the other end is the issue, I'd shudder at the thoughts of a >30GB download from Sony

o1s1n · 29-06-2012 08:11AM

You lot and your digital download games. When will you ever learn

a5y · 29-06-2012 08:29AM

o1s1n wrote: »

You lot and your digital download games. When will you ever learn

"First it giveth,
then it taketh awaaaaaay."

(Queens of The Stone Age on the unfairness of download games that use DRM)

Myrddin · 29-06-2012 08:51AM

valleyoftheunos · 29-06-2012 09:15AM

Perhaps its just me but I rarely have issues DLing form the PSN I've a 25 Mb connection and any regular PSN game takes about 10 minutes, often less. DLing 30+ gigs in 2 hours doesn't sound to bad to me, thats a lot of Data!

Doge · 29-06-2012 09:25AM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Fixed your question :pac:

(although the Ys 4 remake is going to be an evil temptress when it shows up)

Also, since this post contains no jingles, here's the 7-11 one again, but this time from a very weird camera angle (where is this cameraperson standing?!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5VY1encyrA

For the first 2 bars of the jingle I thought Alex Kidd was going to kick in!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8FadhvDt3I#t=11s

BTW,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nLbCS0c25M

TF is this sh**!

Myrddin · 29-06-2012 09:30AM

waveform wrote: »

TF is this sh**!

Jesus thats bad

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