Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

delos · 27-06-2012 09:52PM

chughes wrote: »

I wonder if Celtic were in the same predicament as Rangers would the other clubs want them out as well?

To be honest, if the circumstances were the same I think the reaction would be the same.

As for the financial benefits, away from the SPL, the gate reciepts would only make a difference for the season that they were in your club's division. Lots of 2nd and 3rd Division clubs are used to living hand to mouth and to get them into the 1st Division will require their votes. They will want something substantially more than a quick bribe for their vote to allow them into the 1st Division and I'm sure the teams challenging for the the 1st Division Title will want them in the 3rd Divison. Then you have sporting integrity which will cost the lower division clubs a lot less in finanical terms than the SPL clubs. They will get even less sympathy from the supporters of lower leauge clubs than they got from the supporters of the SPL clubs.

They will be lucky to be in the 3rd Division next season the way things are unfolding......

cruiserweight · 28-06-2012 10:22AM

So here is the plan http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18625293 Reform of the leagues is to be welcomed, but Rangers going down one league and being replaced with Dundee is a bit of a farce

cruiserweight · 28-06-2012 10:30AM

13 players have turned up for Rangers training, so they should have a team anyway

jack presley · 28-06-2012 10:31AM

cruiserweight wrote: »

So here is the plan http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18625293 Reform of the leagues is to be welcomed, but Rangers going down one league and being replaced with Dundee is a bit of a farce

Will the Div1 clubs agree do you reckon?

A_Sober_Paddy · 28-06-2012 10:31AM

cruiserweight wrote: »

So here is the plan http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18625293 Reform of the leagues is to be welcomed, but Rangers going down one league and being replaced with Dundee is a bit of a farce

Talk about bottling it...

With the new relegation set up, will there still be one team automatically relegated and the team second from bottom going into this play-off system?

death1234567 · 28-06-2012 10:39AM

cruiserweight wrote: »

So here is the plan http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18625293 Reform of the leagues is to be welcomed, but Rangers going down one league and being replaced with Dundee is a bit of a farce

A Bit? Its a complete, but inevitable, farce.

TheBuilder · 28-06-2012 10:42AM

So after all the SFA/SPL chat about 'sporting integrity' they're forcing through a reform to put us in division 1 so they can get all their revenue boosted again after 1 year.

Hypocrites.

PauloMN · 28-06-2012 10:45AM

Sigh. Will be interesting to see how the other clubs vote on this, but as I've said before, it shouldn't have even come to this. Joke of a set-up.

How can a new club be relegated when they've never played in the leagues?

Oh, and I'd like to add that Donald Findlay is a <insert insult here>.

Dempsey · 28-06-2012 11:00AM

Dunfermline will submit a legal challenge if they try to promote Dundee over them which could stop both leagues from starting. Several SFL clubs have already declared they will vote no to Sevco in the SFL.

Savage Tyrant · 28-06-2012 11:18AM

cruiserweight wrote: »

So here is the plan http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18625293 Reform of the leagues is to be welcomed, but Rangers going down one league and being replaced with Dundee is a bit of a farce

An absolute fcuking farce and a cop out. "Sporting Integrity" for all they've bleated about it, essentially doesn't mean diddly squat.
It would turn you off the game completely.

Dempsey · 28-06-2012 12:01PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

An absolute fcuking farce and a cop out. "Sporting Integrity" for all they've bleated about it, essentially doesn't mean diddly squat.
It would turn you off the game completely.

There is no sporting integrity in the colluding by the SFA, SPL & SFL to get Sevco back into the SPL as quickly as possible. It would end Scottish Football as an actual sport for me. Knowing that there is clubs that will not be punished to the full extent of the rules and the governing bodies suddenly putting commercial incentives to basically buy the vote puts Scottish Football firmly in the realm of sports entertainment, a grand mechanism to exploit Celtic and Rangers fans.

I would be in disbelief if SPL & Div1 clubs agree to this as these structural changes have to happen anyways and I cant see fans of clubs being impressed by the idea of Sevco parachuting into Div1, hopefully this will galvanise the scottish football supporter more regardless of club.

Jim Delahunt ‏@JimDelahunt

No axe to grind at all but is this SPL/SFL carve-up going to be made official at some point or they just seeing how angry people might be.

Jim has a point, is someone going to be brave enough to announce this or is this leaked information an attempt to gauge the fallout?

delos · 28-06-2012 12:16PM

The voting on this will be interesting. I'm not sure what the required majority is as the current BBC article suggests a straight 50% +1 but previous articles on league restructuring have quoted a requirement of 75%. Perhaps the BBC make things up as they go along?

There are three groups to consider here:

The SPL - will their opinions change when it's the 1st division that would be taking them in or will they stick to their principles?
The 1st Division - restructuring would seem to offer them most financially but they may be worried about fan reaction and the competition for promotion as well as integrity issues.
The lower divisions - seem to get nothing out of this financially and don't underestimate the effect of years of being bullied and sneered at. I wouldn't like to rely on the "diddy clubs" to rescue me.

I think that this story still has a long way to run.....

Savage Tyrant · 28-06-2012 12:17PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Jim has a point, is someone going to be brave enough to announce this or is this leaked information an attempt to gauge the fallout?

Jesus, I fcuking hope so, because you earlier point about the Scottish game becoming sports entertainment is bang on otherwise.
Hopefully it is a gauge to see the reaction it would get.

Dempsey · 28-06-2012 01:16PM

Grant Russell ‏@STVGrant

If the SPL find a way to relegate, rather than expel, Rangers, rule 15.1 of the SFL states they must participate in the First Division.

Grant Russell ‏@STVGrant

SPL have refused to advise how it would be possible, if it all, to relegate Rangers, given that they have already relegated Dunfermline

Its a good thing that Rangers challenged the SPL over the transfer embargo! :pac:

28-06-2012 01:33PM

How can they relegate/expel Rangers when Rangers will soon cease to exist?

Dempsey · 28-06-2012 01:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How can they relegate/expel Rangers when Rangers will soon cease to exist?

Rangers still has a SPL share, still is a member of the SFA. They will still exist long after the season has started.

Dempsey · 28-06-2012 05:45PM

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/108463-in-full-document-sent-to-sfl-clubs-to-put-rangers-into-the-first-division/

The 30 clubs in the Scottish Football League received a proposal on Thursday outlining proposals for league reconstruction.

The proposal to SFL clubs, titled "Your Game, Your Club, Your Future

WHY DOES RESISTANCE TO CHANGE IN FOOTBALL EXIST?

•Fear of the unknown

•Lack of involvement

•Lack of information

•Threat to power, or status

•No perceived benefits

•Fear of failure

•Unless behaviour changes, nothing changes

UNDERSTANDING RESISTANCE TO CHANGE

•Perceptions of being “worse off”

•If the reasons for change are not clear

•If implementation plans are not clear

•If there is no clear “link” with your own objectives

•If a change is seen as a threat to your long term security or well being

WE THEREFORE NEED SOME CLEAR COMMUNICATION PRIORITIES FOR THE SFL

•Logical and positive communication to eliminate doubt, threat and insecurity

•Fully explained in terms of short and long term benefits to you and the organisation

•Not left to the last minute

•Involving you at an early stage

•And seen in the context of a wider strategic plan

CURRENT REALITY

•Rangers have no where to go

•SPL Clubs have indicated their voting intentions

•SFA wish to see a solution in the interests of the game

•Moral/sporting question vs financial collapse

•Are The SFL are in a position to accommodate a solution?

WE HAVE CONSIDERED FIVE SCENARIOS

1.Rangers stay in SPL

2.Rangers to Third Division

3.Rangers to First Division

4.Rangers to SPL2

5.Rangers terminated or suspended

1. RANGERS STAY IN SPL

•Not an option

•SPL clubs have indicated no

2. RANGERS TO THIRD DIVISION

•Takes approximately £16 million out of the game

•Commercial partners walk away and seek compensation

•The settlement agreement becomes a major risk

•The sporting opportunity is quashed for other clubs

3. RANGERS TO FIRST DIVISION

•Reduces SPL income by approximately 30%

•Balances short term need for redemption with a least worst case financial scenario

•It is financially possible to recover from this scenario

4. RANGERS TO SPL2

•Currently not supported by the SFA

•Creates a bigger divide

•Leads to some short term commercial losses

•A legal challenge could paralyse the game

•The overall pot would be much less than anticipated

5. RANGERS TERMINATED OR SUSPENDED

•Complete financial meltdown

•Settlement agreement is obliterated

•Fans are lost to the game forever

•The game survives but where?

WE HAVE CONSIDERED THE FIVE SCENARIOS 1 Rangers stay in SPL 2 Rangers to Third Division 3 Rangers to First Division 4 Rangers to SPL2 5 Rangers terminated or suspended

**SO WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER? **

•Rangers in the IRN-BRU First Division this coming season

•A one off fee to buy out the Rangers media value. (£1million) thus protecting the current contracts in place.

IF WE AGREE THEN WE REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING

•Play-Offs immediately, based on current format

•A new distribution model with the settlement agreement value protected and future proofed

•An amalgamation of the SPL & SFL

•A more balanced governance model (as circulated)

IF WE AGREE THEN WE REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING

•Play-Offs immediately, based on our format

•A new distribution model with the settlement agreement value protected and future proofed

•An amalgamation of the SPL & SFL

•A more balanced governance model (as circulated)

WHICH WILL DELIVER BENEFITS TO THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE

•Immediate cash benefit for all 30 clubs!

•Gate receipt uplift in Division 1

•Potential hospitality & advertising values increase

•Sponsors receive added value through additional exposure

•Scottish Government remain committed to our community strategy

•SFL has more influence at the top table

•Play-Offs restore the sporting meritocracy and deliver additional value

AND BENEFITS TO SCOTTISH FOOTBALL

•A unified plan presented to the Scottish footballing public which offers real possibilities for the game

•Keeps all 42 clubs together avoiding a divisive SPL2 split

•Deals with the need for sporting integrity with regard to Newco

•Delivers innovation in the form of a single league, Play-Offs and a pyramid plan

•Delivers new value for the game

•Potentially narrows the financial gap between Scottish Premier League & Scottish League

•Shows leadership for the game in Scotland

•Allows fans to engage in the bigger picture

•A positive media outcome

This is the ****e they are pedalling

Savage Tyrant · 28-06-2012 06:00PM

Dempsey wrote: »

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/108463-in-full-document-sent-to-sfl-clubs-to-put-rangers-into-the-first-division/

The 30 clubs in the Scottish Football League received a proposal on Thursday outlining proposals for league reconstruction.

This is the ****e they are pedalling

The cowardly bastärds.... There isn't a testicle between them in the halls of power.
So essentially the only punishment for years of cheating is a 10pt deduction that bore no effect on the title picture of that season.
Then fold up the company, shirk the majority of debts, raise a replica club and waltz straight into the second tier of the countries league system.

Fûck them!

TheBuilder · 28-06-2012 06:23PM

The SFA really are the masters of double standards.

This plan of theirs is to get Rangers back into the SPL in one year to allow the money situation to improve.

I don't think we'll win division one in our first season but their little idea of three teams to play a play off with the second bottom team will almost guarantee Rangers returning to the SPL.

I'd love to see what they come up with if we finished fifth and didn't go up, the panic

Also can't wait for the forcing through of a new voting system to rape Rangers and Celtic for more and more revenue.

'Sporting Integrity' my balls.

PauloMN · 28-06-2012 06:46PM

Deals with the need for sporting integrity with regard to Newco

Where's the "it does in its bollocks" emoticon? :mad:

I'm actually stunned at the complete lack of any backbone in there, honestly. Sporting integrity my arse.

This would be exactly the same if Celtic were in this position, it would be no different, and anyone who thinks that this "preferential" treatment is just for Rangers is deluding themselves. (Not that anyone here has said that, but I have read such ****e elsewhere). And of course I'd be pissed off about having to reapply to Div 3, but like those Rangers fans on here, I like to think I'd just accept the medicine and get on with it.

It's a disgrace that the integrity of the league is being balanced with the potential lost cash. If it were anyone outside of Celtic or Rangers in this situation, it would be straight down to Div 3, no question.

I honestly think sticking the Newco in Div 1 will cause a revolt among fans of all clubs. If they want to minimise damage to Scottish football, they sure as hell are going the wrong way about it. :mad:

A_Sober_Paddy · 28-06-2012 07:00PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Where's the "it does in its bollocks" emoticon? :mad:

I'm actually stunned at the complete lack of any backbone in there, honestly. Sporting integrity my arse.

This would be exactly the same if Celtic were in this position, it would be no different, and anyone who thinks that this "preferential" treatment is just for Rangers is deluding themselves. (Not that anyone here has said that, but I have read such ****e elsewhere). And of course I'd be pissed off about having to reapply to Div 3, but like those Rangers fans on here, I like to think I'd just accept the medicine and get on with it.

It's a disgrace that the integrity of the league is being balanced with the potential lost cash. If it were anyone outside of Celtic or Rangers in this situation, it would be straight down to Div 3, no question.

I honestly think sticking the Newco in Div 1 will cause a revolt among fans of all clubs. If they want to minimise damage to Scottish football, they sure as hell are going the wrong way about it. :mad:

Putting Rangers Newco into Div 1 will set a precedent for other clubs, what if Aberdeen, Hibernan, Hearts & Motherwell decided they wanted to be debt free, and start on a fresh slate next year what's stopping them, they'll only be out of the league for a season, and they'll be debt free.

Now I don't know how indebted those clubs are, but just in theory...

Pompey Magnus · 28-06-2012 07:14PM

Disgraceful plan, by leaving the possibility of Rangers not getting promotion to the SPL the following season they risk the financial wellbeing of the league.

Hopefully they will realise this potential problem and add to the plan the requirement that Rangers be given a 50 point start to the season...purely for the good of the other SPL teams and fans, and sporting integrity of course!

PauloMN · 28-06-2012 07:34PM

Threats to clubs also..... nice:
http://sport.stv.tv/football/108457-spl-threaten-breakaway-league-if-sfl-clubs-do-not-agree-to-rangers-plans/

Dempsey · 28-06-2012 07:59PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Threats to clubs also..... nice:
http://sport.stv.tv/football/108457-spl-threaten-breakaway-league-if-sfl-clubs-do-not-agree-to-rangers-plans/

Desperate stuff by people that shouldnt have those jobs, unrivalled ineptitude by those in Hampden. Everyone should be handed P45's

delos · 28-06-2012 09:18PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Threats to clubs also..... nice:
http://sport.stv.tv/football/108457-spl-threaten-breakaway-league-if-sfl-clubs-do-not-agree-to-rangers-plans/

I never thought much of the SPL but this attempt to bully the SFL into accepting a poisoned chalice is just incredible. Still, as the organisation was created out of greed and self interest, I really shouldn't be surprised

I wonder what the SPL clubs will have to say about this and the way their organisation is behaving? At least Aberdeen seem to be willing to do the decent thing:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11788/7848730/Dons-chief-against-Gers-deal

I'd love to think that the Division 1 clubs will tell them where to stick their SPL2 and force some real reorganisation (with new members starting in the lowest division) but I'm not confident. Next week will tell a lot about the moral state of Scottish football and the power of the fans to influence things.

Savage Tyrant · 29-06-2012 11:23AM

Wimbledon bosses announce restructuring to allow Nadal back into the tournament fearing they will lose viewers and revenue as a result of his exit.
And if that plan fails he will enter the Ladies competition.

Oh....no.....wait.....it would just be the SFA/SPL/SFL that would come up with some bull**** idea like that!!

Dempsey · 29-06-2012 03:42PM

Its up to the fans of SFL clubs to force the issue. Its unbelievable that you have the people running the game bleating on about how the game in Scotland is the best supported in Europe per capita but then ignore them, conspire against their wishes when the future of the game is on the line.

EDIT

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

SFL powerpoint document should be met with utter contempt by all decent football fans - senior source in Hampden Pk tells #c4news

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

Source says this is nothing less than a crude takeover bid by Scottish Premier League for Football League...

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

Senior Hampden source tells #c4news cannot see how RFC were allowed to play last season at all. Doesn't believe they met finance criteria...

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

Senior Hampden source: they and clubs now inundated by fanpower demanding integrity over money. Says fans are right...

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

Paints a picture os something now close to civil war between S Premier League, S Football League and SFA.

Scandalous stuff going on at Hampden

Dempsey · 29-06-2012 05:03PM

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/scottish-footballs-chance-saloon/2091

Thomson dissects that SFL letter brilliantly, pity that we dont get much of this from the Scottish Media

TheBuilder · 29-06-2012 05:10PM

Senior Hampden source tells #c4news cannot see how RFC were allowed to play last season at all. Doesn't believe they met finance criteria...

The SFA knew months before it came out that Whyte was withholding PAYE and took no action against him.

Dempsey · 29-06-2012 05:19PM

There seems to be a serious lack of condemnation of the actions of the SFA, SPL, SFL in recent times by the Scottish Media, very little analysis been done at least. Is lamb still on the menu?

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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