Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Monty Burnz · 24-05-2012 09:29PM

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Also, Cork seems to be the preffered place for Signed players to settle, I know Mafi, Howlett, Topoki and more all moved to Cork over Limerick

EDIT: dosnt cork also host all the munster branches offices and admin staff?

Understandably. Rural Limerick is fine, but the city is a total dump. One of the most depressing places I've ever been, and I've travelled a fair amount.

Fishooks12 · 24-05-2012 09:35PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Understandably. Rural Limerick is fine, but the city is a total dump. One of the most depressing places I've ever been, and I've travelled a fair amount.

It's nice over by the castle infairness

Few areas are very dull though

CiaranMT · 24-05-2012 09:47PM

danthefan wrote: »

Tbf if I had to move to Limerick or Cork there'd only be one winner.

Too true.

Tefral · 24-05-2012 09:50PM

As the rubberbandits said " if you don't like it **** off to Cork"

Should be in Limerick TBH The Captain lives there!!

profitius · 24-05-2012 10:11PM

Most of the players are from Cork as well as having the biggest population. The stadium is already situated in Limerick but how often do they play home games a year? Once every 2 or 3 weeks. Thats not much of a reason to have it in Limerick.

Ideally I'd like to see some games spread around the province. A few preseason matches in Waterford, Tipp or Kerry for example.

Fireball07 · 24-05-2012 10:12PM

Limerick's not that bad...it's not like they're going to be forced to live in the worst parts of the city. You'd swear Cork was all sunshine and roses!

I think if they're choosing one base, Limerick is the logical choice. Because that's already where they do most of their training and it's where they play.

Monty Burnz · 24-05-2012 10:35PM

Fireball07 wrote: »

Limerick's not that bad...it's not like they're going to be forced to live in the worst parts of the city.

Yeah, but the city centre itself is a total sh!t-heap. Where would you go on a day off? Where would you hang around? Inside your house? Cork is on a totally different plane to Limerick.

I think it says a lot that the best defence I've heard is 'it isn't that bad' - true, if you compare it to...jeez, I was struggling to think of somewhere much worse and I've genuinely hit a blank.

Benny Cake · 24-05-2012 10:40PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yeah, but the city centre itself is a total sh!t-heap. Where would you go on a day off? Where would you hang around? Inside your house? Cork is on a totally different plane to Limerick.

I think it says a lot that the best defence I've heard is 'it isn't that bad' - true, if you compare it to...jeez, I was struggling to think of somewhere much worse and I've genuinely hit a blank.

Who said they have to live in the city centre? If it was me I'd head for somewhere like Adare, Annacotty, Castletroy.... Plenty of options Monty if you cared to think about it....

Fireball07 · 24-05-2012 10:51PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yeah, but the city centre itself is a total sh!t-heap. Where would you go on a day off? Where would you hang around? Inside your house? Cork is on a totally different plane to Limerick.

I think it says a lot that the best defence I've heard is 'it isn't that bad' - true, if you compare it to...jeez, I was struggling to think of somewhere much worse and I've genuinely hit a blank.

Well, I'll go a step further and say I really like Limerick.

And yeah, why would you live in the city centre? I don't live in the city myself, and there's loads of nice places around as Benny said. I mean they train in UL, it's not like UL is in the city centre, I only live 20 mins from UL.

And you could do anything sure...Cork is not fcuking New York, what is there in Cork that you can't do in Limerick?

I don't really care where they move the base to but it does make more sense to locate in Limerick tbh. But it's the constant dissing of Limerick that annoys me.

Monty Burnz · 24-05-2012 10:55PM

Benny Cake wrote: »

Who said they have to live in the city centre? If it was me I'd head for somewhere like Adare, Annacotty, Castletroy.... Plenty of options Monty if you cared to think about it....

Um, I never said they had to live in the city centre - but what city centre do you go to for a cinema/meet friends/do the shopping/go for a coffee/whatever? Adare city centre? Annacotty city? Adare is a pleasant little tourist village, but that's about it.

I have close family in the area. I'd love Limerick City be other than a dump, but it just is. I don't know anyone who isn't from Limerick that doesn't think so, and many of those that are are happy to admit it.

Fishooks12 · 24-05-2012 11:00PM

Did I just walk into the travel thread?

Monty Burnz · 24-05-2012 11:10PM

danthefan wrote: »

Tbf if I had to move to Limerick or Cork there'd only be one winner.

thomond2006 wrote: »

Who?

:pac:

The city he's leaving?

Cpt_Blackbeard · 24-05-2012 11:16PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Um, I never said they had to live in the city centre - but what city centre do you go to for a cinema/meet friends/do the shopping/go for a coffee/whatever? Adare city centre? Annacotty city? Adare is a pleasant little tourist village, but that's about it.

I have close family in the area. I'd love Limerick City be other than a dump, but it just is. I don't know anyone who isn't from Limerick that doesn't think so, and many of those that are are happy to admit it.

Ideally the squad would be based our of UL which is probably the best campus in the country and it's only getting better. There are plenty of places (~10 bars, cafes and restaurants) in UL to eat and Castletroy itself is a very nice area with its own cinema to cater the players apparent needs. There are even more nice places to eat in and around the city. The city centre itself isnt the best but there are still plenty of places around for these posh rugby players seeking a cosmopolitan lifestyle to eat and shop. There are still places like Dublin/Cork to travel to on a day off.

PhatPiggins · 24-05-2012 11:16PM

I'm waiting for Phog to launch into one of his 'the continual broadscasting of Limerick's alleged degentrification by anonymous posters on a random forum is further destroying the moral fibre of a city under seige' tirades.

I'm sure he'll use he's previously succesful tactic of bore the other posters into submission

profitius · 24-05-2012 11:29PM

I wouldn't be too harsh on Limerick. Most professional rugby players should be concentrating on the rugby anyway.

Whatever about the training location, I'd like to see a proper stadium in Cork with more matches there throughout the season. Theres massive potential for growth in and around Cork city eg theres not many rugby playing schools there.

PhatPiggins · 24-05-2012 11:38PM

profitius wrote: »

I wouldn't be too harsh on Limerick. Most professional rugby players should be concentrating on the rugby anyway.

Whatever about the training location, I'd like to see a proper stadium in Cork with more matches there throughout the season. Theres massive potential for growth in and around Cork city eg theres not many rugby playing schools there.

Do you really think there is or as a fellow Cork dweller is it just the civic pride in you? Personally I think the attendances we get at Musgrave are pitiful and I've seen no signs of this rugby revolution in Cork over the past 15 years. During the same period rugby has exploded in popularity in Tipperary, taken a foothold in Waterford and Kerry and futher increased in popularity in Limerick (if thats even possible).

We've basically seen a golden age of Munster rugby come and go and it has little or no effect on playing numbers, attendances and revenues in Cork. If the Munster rollercoaster between 1999 and 2009 wasn't enough to get the ball rolling down here nothing is.

I think all this hype about 'Munster rugbys biggest potential growth area and so on' is just hype.

Personally I'd play fewer games in Musgrave and move them around the province instead.

profitius · 24-05-2012 11:50PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Do you really think there is or as a fellow Cork dweller is it just the civic pride in you? Personally I think the attendances we get at Musgrave are pitiful and I've seen no signs of this rugby revolution in Cork over the past 15 years. During the same period rugby has exploded in popularity in Tipperary, taken a foothold in Waterford and Kerry and futher increased in popularity in Limerick (if thats even possible).

We've basically seen a golden age of Munster rugby come and go and it has little or no effect on playing numbers, attendances and revenues in Cork. If the Munster rollercoaster between 1999 and 2009 wasn't enough to get the ball rolling down here nothing is.

I think all this hype about 'Munster rugbys biggest potential growth area and so on' is just hype.

Personally I'd play fewer games in Musgrave and move them around the province instead.

In Cork its not seen as a working class sport. Have Munster rugby gone into non rugby areas to promote the game more? Genuine question. If the Leinster crowd were in charge they would be more pro active in promoting rugby in Cork.

They can either wait for things to happen or make things happen.

PhatPiggins · 24-05-2012 11:58PM

profitius wrote: »

In Cork its not seen as a working class sport. Have Munster rugby gone into non rugby areas to promote the game more? Genuine question. If the Leinster crowd were in charge they would be more pro active in promoting rugby in Cork.

They can either wait for things to happen or make things happen.

A fair question. Is the area around Musgrave classed as a working class area?

To be honest if the Leinster crowd were in charge they'd market the pants off the brand everywhere (which they do really well) but play all the games in Thomond where it makes economic sense to do so.

ambid · 24-05-2012 11:58PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Personally I'd play fewer games in Musgrave and move them around the province instead.

I suspect that would damage attendances though. If attendances in Musgrave are poor that must mean people aren't travelling from Limerick, so would they then travel to Tralee, or Waterford? Smaller attendances would mean lower revenue, which I suspect Munster can't afford. Teams need to play in the area of the biggest concentration of their fans, if Leinster started playing matches in Drogheda, Navan, and Kilkenny you can bet attendances would fall.

It's a nice idea, but I suspect would hurt economically.

PhatPiggins · 25-05-2012 12:02AM

ambid wrote: »

I suspect that would damage attendances though. If attendances in Musgrave are poor that must mean people aren't travelling from Limerick, so would they then travel to Tralee, or Waterford? Smaller attendances would mean lower revenue, which I suspect Munster can't afford. Teams need to play in the area of the biggest concentration of their fans, if Leinster started playing matches in Drogheda, Navan, and Kilkenny you can bet attendances would fall.

It's a nice idea, but I suspect would hurt economically.

Ever been to a game in Musgrave? There's no one there from Limerick or Tralee. My point would be that the idea of playing games in Cork simply isn't working. Now you either play all the games in Thomond or play a few in other locations to see if their is a bigger potential audience somewhere else. Its probably more of a case of the former but you could always try the later for a limited period.

KenSwee · 25-05-2012 01:20AM

Hi all,

I'm looking to know if a Spanish player ever lined out for Munster?
I was chatting to few friends and one of us thought they remembered a Spanish player playing in the Celtic League circa 2006/7?
If not, maybe South American?

Maybe somebody can shed a light on this?

Thanks

moss.ie · 25-05-2012 02:25AM

KenSwee wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm looking to know if a Spanish player ever lined out for Munster?
I was chatting to few friends and one of us thought they remembered a Spanish player playing in the Celtic League circa 2006/7?
If not, maybe South American?

Maybe somebody can shed a light on this?

Thanks

Probably Pucciarello

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federico_Pucciariello

RodVelvet · 25-05-2012 02:38AM

KenSwee wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm looking to know if a Spanish player ever lined out for Munster?
I was chatting to few friends and one of us thought they remembered a Spanish player playing in the Celtic League circa 2006/7?
If not, maybe South American?

Maybe somebody can shed a light on this?

Thanks

Think it's this guy you're on about; Diogo Mateus. From Portugal was with Munster around that period. Don't think he was up to much.

irishbucsfan · 25-05-2012 05:36AM

I think there's someone playing for the Portuguese 7s who played for Munster. Think he went to college in Ireland

bamboozle · 25-05-2012 07:57AM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

A fair question. Is the area around Musgrave classed as a working class area?

To be honest if the Leinster crowd were in charge they'd market the pants off the brand everywhere (which they do really well) but play all the games in Thomond where it makes economic sense to do so.

i'd suspect players may choose to live in Cork as they'd be less recognised there.

i'd also reckon Noisy and the Cork lads in the munster branch encourage the overseas players to move to cork and sign with cork clubs.

One training base makes perfect sense and it should be Limerick. So what if the city's not the prettiest, its where the heart of munster rugby is, that connect cannont be broken.

Plus in Killaloe, Adare, Annacoty etc etc there are plenty of nice places to live.

look at Cj V der linde and Strauss, they were living in a cottage up the wicklow mountains, players dont need to be in cities.

justsomebloke · 25-05-2012 08:13AM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

I'm waiting for Phog to launch into one of his 'the continual broadscasting of Limerick's alleged degentrification by anonymous posters on a random forum is further destroying the moral fibre of a city under seige' tirades.

I'm sure he'll use he's previously succesful tactic of bore the other posters into submission

At least it's sunny out for your few days away from the forum

jm08 · 25-05-2012 09:20AM

bamboozle wrote: »

i'd suspect players may choose to live in Cork as they'd be less recognised there.

i'd also reckon Noisy and the Cork lads in the munster branch encourage the overseas players to move to cork and sign with cork clubs.

One training base makes perfect sense and it should be Limerick. So what if the city's not the prettiest, its where the heart of munster rugby is, that connect cannont be broken.

Plus in Killaloe, Adare, Annacoty etc etc there are plenty of nice places to live.

look at Cj V der linde and Strauss, they were living in a cottage up the wicklow mountains, players dont need to be in cities.

Cork would have more to offer than Limerick, but I think Munster should maintain a big presence in Cork anyway because it is a large urban area and there is huge competition from other sports, particularly hurling & soccer, so it would be good idea to have the Peter O'Mahonys seen around town rubbing shoulders with the Sean Ogs. Thomond will always keep the interest going in Limerick and is also more central to have the main games there.

Comments about the poor attendance for Rabo games in Cork is more down to how few they are (people getting out of the habit of going) and the Aironis of this world are not going to fill Thomond either.

onlyrocknroll · 25-05-2012 10:27AM

jm08 wrote: »

Comments about the poor attendance for Rabo games in Cork is more down to how few they are (people getting out of the habit of going) and the Aironis of this world are not going to fill Thomond either.

Also worth pointing out that Cork fans do travel in fairly large numbers to Thomond games.

I doubt many fans from outside Cork make the trip down to Musgrave for Aironi matches.

phog · 25-05-2012 11:30AM

onlyrocknroll wrote: »

Also worth pointing out that Cork fans do travel in fairly large numbers to Thomond games.

I doubt many fans from outside Cork make the trip down to Musgrave for Aironi matches.

It would be interesting to know by county the number of MRSC full members that opted for MP single venue, TP single venue and combined venue for the Rabo games.

From my experience, there's a fair few regulars from the Limerick side that travel to Cork.

BTW, one of our lowest attendances this season was for the Scarlets game in Musgrave Park as it turns out they were also our H/cup competitor this season.

profitius · 25-05-2012 11:36AM

jm08 wrote: »

Comments about the poor attendance for Rabo games in Cork is more down to how few they are (people getting out of the habit of going) and the Aironis of this world are not going to fill Thomond either.

An important point there that should not be underestimated. The old Thomond pk didn't sell out ML games from what I can remember. Then the new stadium was built and the people came.