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RAW expanding to 3 hours EACH WEEK starting in July!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    Booking team choosing the winner of matches by who's trending on Twitter first?!

    Plus,if Vince is so keen on Twitter why doesn't he have his own account?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭cocalolaman


    Well as it currently is, the extra hour of 3 hour raw's is normally just longer ads spaced closer together. I hope it's not gonna be like that, but I expect it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    I dont understand this in the slightest, if WWE's ratings are the lowest they've been in years, surely going to 3 Hours will decrease the ratings even further:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,469 ✭✭✭✭GTR63


    I dont understand this in the slightest, if WWE's ratings are the lowest they've been in years, surely going to 3 Hours will decrease the ratings even further:confused:

    Going to get eaten alive when the NFL MNF kicks in too. Don't get it from a writer perspective either I mean they have done nothing with Punk and Bryan WWE title storyline wise only have AJ flirt a bit with Punk and a write up online, still looking forward to that match but how much of the viewing audience is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    GTR63 wrote: »
    Going to get eaten alive when the NFL MNF kicks in too. Don't get it from a writer perspective either I mean they have done nothing with Punk and Bryan WWE title storyline wise only have AJ flirt a bit with Punk and a write up online, still looking forward to that match but how much of the viewing audience is.

    If WWE's ending the brand extension.. Ending the World Heavyweight and US Titles. Having a Decent Tag and Womans divisons. Pushing the youth and undercards, and having complelling Main Events that actually draw, then fair enough a 3 hour Raw is justified..

    But none of that is likely to happen, and this could go down with te XFL and WWE Studio's level of fail, in my opinion. And 3 Hour Raw's will last as long as Impact on Mondays..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,408 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    On the plus side, the Diva's division should get some much needed time and exposure.

    Ha.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    Now Triple H AND Cena can have half hours promos each week. No need to alternate them anymore :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,469 ✭✭✭✭GTR63


    My brother put it into perspective when I told him he just said 'cud be worse imagine a live smackdown every single week' perish the thought of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,014 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    I think SmackDown live each week would be a great idea?? You can still watch it Friday. But for Americans (where Vince is concerned) a live show is much more appealing that one in the can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,014 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    Breaking it down money-wise, WWE get $700,000 from Spike every episode of RAW. Doing the maths, an extra hour of RAW should get them $18 million extra per year. Short-term wise, a great way to get cash.

    The downside is that you WILL burn your audience out on your show, there's already 4 hours of main programming and a couple of lesser shows, not including PPV weeks. The fans that simply say "too much" and stop watching will never come back. They're also less likely to buy PPVs since they've already seen more than their fill during the week.

    It's a different model, it'll probably be ok for the first while, but after 6 months or so of 3-hour shows, you'll definitely see a hit. Just like concept PPVs like Hell in a Cell or Elimination Chamber PPVs, grand starting off, then kept decreasing downwards each year.

    Maybe WWE budgeted that they will still end up making more cash if (for example) RAW goes down to 2.5 and non-big PPVs drop to 150,000 buys worldwide.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭8k2q1gfcz9s5d4


    oh well, i doenst mean that mcuh to me. Thanks to sky plus if get through raw in around 40 mins on a tuesday, and the same can be said with the 3 hour raws. There were times i actually forwarded past 20mins at a time.
    Break -> extended ppv promo -> break -> womens match -> mid card promo -> break.

    I prefered watching raw in the 90s when it wasnt live (we didnt have ad breaks every few mins), mid card got decent time on the show, and michael cole didnt review the opening 20 min promo severl times in the show. It was a packed 2 hours then!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭newballsplease


    Why watch the show?? Nobody here clearly enjoys it. If you did, you would be delighted it was been expanded. I read nothing but complaints on here every week at how bad RAW is!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Why watch the show?? Nobody here clearly enjoys it. If you did, you would be delighted it was been expanded. I read nothing but complaints on here every week at how bad RAW is!!
    Bravo sir I totally agree. Also why do people on here talk about wwe in a buisness sense. It's not your buisness and who cares about the buyrates and ratings, at the end of the day vince is getting richer. Look at it as a tv show


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Why watch the show?? Nobody here clearly enjoys it. If you did, you would be delighted it was been expanded. I read nothing but complaints on here every week at how bad RAW is!!

    Nah if a series I really liked say Mad Men or Games of Thornes increased the number of episodes by 50% I would have the same issues about quantity over quality. They barely have enough wrestlers and writers to cover material for two two hour shows as it stands.
    ricero wrote: »
    Bravo sir I totally agree. Also why do people on here talk about wwe in a buisness sense. It's not your buisness and who cares about the buyrates and ratings, at the end of the day vince is getting richer. Look at it as a tv show

    A TV show which had a competitor die partly due to making the same move.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a7k10rf6z8buel


    3 Hour Nitros were disastrous. But that was in a competitive market. I guess WWE are of the mind that when you "more or less" have a monopoly on the market you should milk it.

    I can only imagine how many lame unfunny "comedy" segments there will be now. :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a7k10rf6z8buel


    If WWE's ending the brand extension.. Ending the World Heavyweight and US Titles. Having a Decent Tag and Womans divisons. Pushing the youth and undercards, and having complelling Main Events that actually draw, then fair enough a 3 hour Raw is justified..

    But none of that is likely to happen, and this could go down with te XFL and WWE Studio's level of fail, in my opinion. And 3 Hour Raw's will last as long as Impact on Mondays..

    Couldn't agree more. Would love to see an end to the brand extension. The World Heavyweight Championship has the same importance now as the IC Chamopionship pre WWE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,501 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    rovert wrote: »
    Nah if a series I really liked say Mad Men or Games of Thornes increased the number of episodes by 50% I would have the same issues about quantity over quality. They barely have enough wrestlers and writers to cover material for two two hour shows as it stands.



    A TV show which had a competitor die partly due to making the same move.


    I think the point is, when reading the Raw treads every week, there are so many negative comments. If I didn't like a tv show (or product) that much, I wouldn't follow it every week.
    As for Raw going 3 hours, I really don't mind as I never watch it live. I couldn't stay up that late on Mondays or bare the ad breaks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Kolido wrote: »
    I think the point is, when reading the Raw treads every week, there are so many negative comments. If I didn't like a tv show (or product) that much, I wouldn't follow it every week.

    Read most threads in the Television forum. :pac:

    There is merit to what you say but people here have been watching it since childhood so it is hard to cut rope and Raw is main show where all the big stuff happends to set the Pay Per Views shows - which are still very, very good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,501 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    rovert wrote: »
    Read most threads in the Television forum. :pac:

    There is merit to what you say but people here have been watching it since childhood so it is hard to cut rope and Raw is main show where all the big stuff happends to set the Pay Per Views shows - which are still very, very good.

    I can understand that, I first started watching it in the early 90's but took a long break from it untill last year. I'm currently watching back on the storylines which I missed out on and for me it was much more enjoyable back then. Mainly around the late 90's first half of the 00's
    I still enjoy watching Raw now although there are some dodgy storylines but on the whole its enjoyable. I certainly wouldn't bash it every week and still watch it.
    I would like to point out that I'm not saying everyone bashes it every week, but there are a lot of negative comments on those treads.I only watch Raw and ppv's as for me it's enough to follow the main storylines.
    For what it's worth, I would rather Raw to stay a 2 hour show.

    I don't read about any other tv shows as I watch very little on tv. I'm living abroad so any tv I watch is online of download.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Thank god for sky plus :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭Garseys


    it'll be interesting to see what they do with the 3-hour Raw. Not gonna jump the gun and say it'll be terrible. though it is setting itself up for it.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,079 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    More ads every 5 minutes for everyone!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭The Bull


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    3 Hours????

    I was over in the fringe thread and the following :confused: expression came to mind:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,014 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    Ugh, "stop discussing" posts have reached our shores. Extremely productive on a discussion board.
    Why watch the show?? Nobody here clearly enjoys it. If you did, you would be delighted it was been expanded. I read nothing but complaints on here every week at how bad RAW is!!

    Quality over quantity. The roster and writers are already stretched with having to do 4 hours each week. As a fan I'd rather better shows than more of it.

    As for "nothing but complaints", read the Extreme Rules thread and the TNA Sacrifice thread. Great TV is commended. Similarly terrible TV (see this week's RAW) is condemned. Can't ask fairer than that.
    ricero wrote: »
    Bravo sir I totally agree. Also why do people on here talk about wwe in a buisness sense. It's not your buisness and who cares about the buyrates and ratings, at the end of the day vince is getting richer. Look at it as a tv show

    We're trying to explain/rationalise WWE's actions. And some of us find it interesting. If it's too much for you, then leave. I left the TV forum because I felt that way. If you want more superficial, less intense wrestling forums I can point you in the right direction. Complaining about complainers is no use here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,511 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    wwe don't have a thin roster, they have over 50 male wrestlers currently working on the main brands (not including part time guys like hunter, taker, rock, brock etc), they have another 40 or so down in developmental and nxt, half a dozen of which were ready for tv along time ago (like ambrose, rollins, hero, steamboat jr, rotunda brothers), problem with wwe is they are lacking star power but again in 2012 star power didn't seem to bump tv ratings leading into mania despite the fact that some combination of rock, hhh, taker and hbk appeared on every raw for nearly 2 months and raw the night after the rumble and the night after extreme rules did better ratings than any of the nights they appeared to hype mania

    comparing raw moving to 3hrs with wcw is fine but remember wcw moved just as wwf raw was getting redhot, wwe raw has no major rival to worry about, when wcw moved nitro to two hours alot of folks thought that was a bad idea at the time but wwf followed over a year later, i remember the jokes when impact moved to 2hr but now we dont even notice anymore

    if wwe fans still watch what with 2hr of raw, 2hr of sd, nxt, superstars, ecw, tough enough, 14-16 ppvs a year, another 30mins of raw (and thats all it will be when ads are taken into account) won't turn them off


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Why watch the show?? Nobody here clearly enjoys it. If you did, you would be delighted it was been expanded. I read nothing but complaints on here every week at how bad RAW is!!


    This isn't a post directly squarely at you, so I hope you don't think I'm coming across very aggressive towards you. More that I've seen this said a few times recently and it's an argument which drives me nuts.

    The reason we complain so much is because we love the show so much. That may sound like faulty logic at first, so I'll expand. Most people continue to watch wrestling because they know every now and again, we're going to get a moment that makes it all worth while; The "Month of Punk", the Nexus, MITB cash ins, swerves and twists we didn't see coming but which are brilliant. Most wrestling fans on here have followed the product for years and we only want to see WWE thrive and rediscover it's form on a consistent basis.

    The reason why we moan and complain is because we can see how much potential is there and how great the product could be quite easily, but instead of getting to enjoy that, we have to sit back and watch Vince and co. ruin the potential. Its like a group of football fans who complain about a manager; it's possible to adore and love the club while still getting frustrated with the direction those in charge are leading it. And that's what's happening here with WWE.

    Everyone could see the potential of bringing Brock in, building him up for a year and going for a big, BIG pay off at somewhere like Mania. Something like that could have provided months upon months of tension and good story telling. So of course people get frustrated when Cena beats him and then is doing 90s comedy three weeks later. Every few months, we have something which we can get excited about but that WWE ultimately ruins. We complain because we want this company, this product and this industry to re-experience a boom period, and we see it could if some people could get their heads out of their asses. Instead, we're stuck watching the product die a slow death.

    This 3-Hour Raw thing is yet another example. Raw is not a packed show which has no time for midcard stories or development of other characters. it's a show which is already crammed with recaps, filler and pointlessness. A third hour is only going to provide yet more of this time-wasting material. I would love if this was used to actually build people and angles up, but they already have plenty of time they aren't using for that right now, so they won't be using the time efficently for 3 hours either. Worse, the move from 2 to 3 hours is one of the main things WCW was always given out about for, and it was held up as a historic example of a stupid move for the product at the time.

    As wrestling fans, we want to see WWE thrive. But there's absolutly no evidence to show that this move to three hours is going to bring anything more than yet more filler and nonsense, and on top of that, cause further burn out for both writers and fans alike. If the product was at a pique, where ratings were doing really well and there wasn't enough time to cram everything in, then I could accept the decision. But it's because I am a fan, it's because we do love WWE, that many people here will watch the show and complain about how stupid some decisions are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭paddyismaddy


    the 3 hour supershow is fine every now and then i.e. building up to a big ppv like wrestlemania, rumble or summerslam but having it weekly is a bad idea


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,199 ✭✭✭G-Money


    I don't mind the odd 3 hour Raw but every week I think may be too much. I already fast-forward quite a bit of it including anything with the Divas or R-Truth. I don't watch Superstars and rarely watch SmackDown.

    I open to them proving me wrong on this one, but it seems like a bad idea especially seeing how poor Raw has been this last couple of weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭Charisteas


    I actually quite enjoyed most of the 3 hour Nitro's, a lot of which I watched at the back-end of last year.

    From what I remember, besides most of the promos being nWo related, the 3 hour Nitro's were packed full of actual matches. Between 12-14 matches on each show. Fair enough most matches had a cr@ppy finish (usually interference) but they were wrestling matches nevertheless.

    Compared to todays Raw which is full of meaningless filler like Cena's make-a-wish, Triple H attending a boxing match, Mark Henrys anti-bullying, backstage celebrity BS with Big Show or Santino, and several replays of what happened earlier that night or last week. WWE should keep that cr@p for the website or youtube.

    Also it has to be said that WCW had the star power to go 3 hours, which I don't think Raw does. Plenty of big names to choose from back in 1998 - Hogan, Hall, Nash, Macho Man, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Lex Luger, Ric Flair, Curt Hennig, Sting, Chris Benoit, Eddie and Chavo, Scott Steiner, Davey Boy Smith, DDP, Big Show (when he actually meant something) Rey Mysterio, Raven, Dean Malenko, etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,014 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    lol at the "Be A Star" vignettes, followed by Laurinaitis bullying Big Show for about 20 minutes, making him grovel futilely for his job.


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