leinster academy

rugby_fan · 25-04-2012 08:14PM

anyone hear anything about who is in line to get academy or sub academy fr next season?

ormond lad · 25-04-2012 08:29PM

rugby_fan wrote: »

anyone hear anything about who is in line to get academy or sub academy fr next season?

It will be another few weeks at the least before you might hear who is def in the academy next season and you will not find out a list of who is in the sub academy as the only time ive ever seen a list of those in a provincial sub academy, is the list, from the programme for the munster oz game, that i posted earlier in this thread
Ryan Murphy(doplhin) is rumoured to be joining the munster academy and ive heard of plenty of lads who may or may not be joining the sub academy.

rugby_fan · 25-04-2012 08:45PM

Thanks very much:)..its a pitty that a list of sub academy players isnt giving out, it would be interesting to see it

its_phil · 25-04-2012 08:48PM

easyeas wrote: »

leinster under 20s won 13-9 with marsh scoring a penatly,mc grath scoring a penalty and conversion and merrey scoring a try.

2.Callum O’Connell, Exiles
7.Isaac O’Grady
9.Kieran Marmion, Corinthians
14.Conor Finn, Buccaneers
19.Will O’Brien, Newbridge
20.Marcus Walsh
21.Matt Dever, Exiles
17.Andrew Keating, Navan

all these player are playin for connacht have come from aboard (2.Callum O’Connell, 7.Isaac O’Grady,9.Kieran Marmion,21.Matt Dever) or from other provinces(14.Conor Finn,19.Will O’Brien,20.Marcus Walsh,17.Andrew Keating) which seem to be the only reason why connacht under 20s are doing alright so far this year as there standout players have decent players to play with instead of poor players from connacht as connacht are buying them in from other places

easyeas wrote: »

Also Brian moylett there no 8 played Leinster schools 2 years ago and there no 7 conneally tried to join Leinster but since they didn't offer academy to him he stayed wit connacht and all also 6 players from Connacht schools team that beat ulster are from other provinces or abroad

Sorry I know these were posted months ago and wouldnt expect any response. but had to correct this lad for his ignorance.

Moylett is from Ballina and played for Connacht before he did for Leinster, and it's the same with Finn being from Balinasloe.

Jealousy gets you nowhere

ormond lad · 25-04-2012 09:07PM

rugby_fan wrote: »

Thanks very much:)..its a pitty that a list of sub academy players isnt giving out, it would be interesting to see it

fairly difficult to get a list of the sub academy as it constantly is changing throughout a season with players added/removed throughout the season.
the only place ive ever seen any list of sub academy members in munster was the programme for the munst oz game and tbh i dont think theres a need for a list of people in the sub academy to be published

phog · 25-04-2012 09:17PM

ormond lad wrote: »

fairly difficult to get a list of the sub academy as it constantly is changing throughout a season with players added/removed throughout the season.
the only place ive ever seen any list of sub academy members in munster was the programme for the munst oz game and tbh i dont think theres a need for a list of people in the sub academy to be published

These are Munster guys I have on a list as being on the sub academy for this year, I think it was in one of the pre or early season programmes.

John Randles LH Prop
Steven Foster TH Prop
Lukas Kunz Centre/Wing
Craig O'Hanlon Wing
Darren O'Shea 2nd Row
Johnny Holland Flyhalf
Cathal Quinn Wing

ormond lad · 25-04-2012 09:25PM

phog wrote: »

These are Munster guys I have on a list as being on the sub academy for this year, I think it was in one of the pre or early season programmes.

John Randles LH Prop
Steven Foster TH Prop
Lukas Kunz Centre/Wing
Craig O'Hanlon Wing
Darren O'Shea 2nd Row
Johnny Holland Flyhalf
Cathal Quinn Wing

Who is Foster?
I know who the others are and have played against several of them but who is SF and who does he play for

phog · 25-04-2012 10:00PM

ormond lad wrote: »

Who is Foster?
I know who the others are and have played against several of them but who is SF and who does he play for

No idea, I just have them on a file that I use for the Munster squad. I'll ask some of the lads at work tomorrow and see if any of them know him.

Edited - I searched the Munster site and found this...

Bruff 20, Buccaneers 18.

Bruff secured their status in Division 1B with this home win over Buccaneers.
The winning try from replacement Mark Cosgrove five minutes from time proved decisive. John Shine and Brian Cahill also scored tries for Bruff with Cahill adding a conversion and penalty.
Scorers: Bruff: John Shine, Mark Cosgrove tries, Brian Cahill try, conversion, penalty.
Buccaneers: Paul Harte 2 tries, John Carty 2 penalties, conversion.
Bruff: Brendan Deady; Tom O’Callaghan, Andrew Cashman, John Carroll, Paul O’Brien; Brian Cahill, Eoghan Maher; David Horan, Cathal O’Regan, Colm O’Sullivan; Maurice O’Connell, Brian Morrissey; Alan Bourke, John Shine, Mike Carroll.
Replacements: John Hogan, Stephen Foster, Paddy Clery, Tony Cahill, Mark Cosgrove.

easyeas · 26-04-2012 07:18AM

rugby_fan wrote: »

anyone hear anything about who is in line to get academy or sub academy fr next season?

New people in Leinster academy for next season

Daniel Levy No 7 St michaels
Edward and Brian Byrne prop and hooker clongowes
Gavin thornbery 2nd row Blackrock
above straight out of school

Jack Conan No 8 Ireland 20s and Old Belvedere
Cathal Marsh Outhalf Ireland 20s and Trinity
Tadhg Beirne 2nd row Ireland 20s and Lansdowne
Josh van der flier No.7 Ireland 19s and UCD

Can't see any more going in the academy after these being given places with only 2 leaving the academy for other clubs and 0 moving up to development contracts which there being about 24/25 in the academy

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2012 07:33AM

Who are the current players moving on?

easyeas · 26-04-2012 07:46AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Who are the current players moving on?

From the academy?
Eamon Sheridan and Ciaran Ruddock from what I've heard

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2012 07:52AM

easyeas wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Who are the current players moving on?

From the academy?
Eamon Sheridan and Ciaran Ruddock from what I've heard

Oh I thought you meant two guys within the system. They'll be graduating so I suppose they can't avoid it!

26-04-2012 07:55AM

Sheridan is one unlucky bastard with injuries. Everytime he catches a break, he breaks something.

Never really got a chance to see him, but he's certainly in the Downey-mould (framewise anyway!). Hopefully he can go get some competitive rugby at a decent club somewhere and we might see him back on the radar in a couple of years.

Hype710 · 26-04-2012 08:23AM

Will be good to see a couple of locks in the academy anyway with Beirne and Thornbury. I doubt that nobody will move up to development contracts as that would leave a huge amount in the academy. I think Martin Moore, Jordi Murphy, Noel Reid and Darren Hudson will all move up. If not the likes of Murphy and Hudson should move on as they are good enough to be playing at PRO12 level.

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2012 08:33AM

Hudson hasnt even had a full year in the academy and Murphy is on a development contract as far as I know.

Hype710 · 26-04-2012 09:27AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Hudson hasnt even had a full year in the academy and Murphy is on a development contract as far as I know.

They are both in the second year of their academy deals.

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2012 09:36AM

Ah yes apologies.

I don't personally think Murphy will make it but I thought he had been moved to a development deal.

Hudson is very talented. Has played well in his appearances this season imo

bamboozle · 26-04-2012 09:40AM

Murphy and Hudson would be ideal signings for Connacht if not for next season the season after. Hudson is class.

Both are good enough for Rabo. Hudson is more ready now but give Murphy 12-18 months to further bulk up and he'll be a serious prospect. With Conan, Gilsenan and Coughlan nipping at his heels in the academy next season he'll be under pressure.

Quint2010 · 26-04-2012 09:43AM

easyeas wrote: »

New people in Leinster academy for next season

Daniel Levy No 7 St michaels
Edward and Brian Byrne prop and hooker clongowes
Gavin thornbery 2nd row Blackrock
above straight out of school

Jack Conan No 8 Ireland 20s and Old Belvedere
Cathal Marsh Outhalf Ireland 20s and Trinity
Tadhg Beirne 2nd row Ireland 20s and Lansdowne
Josh van der flier No.7 Ireland 19s and UCD

Can't see any more going in the academy after these being given places with only 2 leaving the academy for other clubs and 0 moving up to development contracts which there being about 24/25 in the academy

It's great to see some talent coming thru from the schools in positions Leinster are lacking in-particularly front row and second row. They Byrne twins are some players-particularly Edward. Thornbury too at six foot six is an excellent agressive player and superb in the line out.

Are their any more backs coming through? Whats the difference between being in the academy and being on a development contract?

Quint2010 · 26-04-2012 09:47AM

bamboozle wrote: »

Murphy and Hudson would be ideal signings for Connacht if not for next season the season after. Hudson is class.

Both are good enough for Rabo. Hudson is more ready now but give Murphy 12-18 months to further bulk up and he'll be a serious prospect. With Conan, Gilsenan and Coughlan nipping at his heels in the academy next season he'll be under pressure.

Is that Jordi Murphy? The guy has bulked up massively this year but I think thats his problem. He is too small in height for six or eight and too slow for seven. Don't think he will make it to be honest-particularly with Conan, Gilsenan and Leavy coming through. I don't think Coughlan will make it either to be honest.

26-04-2012 09:51AM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Is that Jordi Murphy? The guy has bulked up massively this year but I think thats his problem. He is too small in height for six or eight and too slow for seven. Don't think he will make it to be honest-particularly with Conan, Gilsenan and Leavy coming through. I don't think Coughlan will make it either to be honest.

lets get Murphy playing Hooker imo.

Strauss'll learn him

ormond lad · 26-04-2012 09:51AM

Quint2010 wrote: »

It's great to see some talent coming thru from the schools in positions Leinster are lacking in-particularly front row and second row. They Byrne twins are some players-particularly Edward. Thornbury too at six foot six is an excellent agressive player and superb in the line out.

Are their any more backs coming through? Whats the difference between being in the academy and being on a development contract?

Plenty of players in youths system coming through in prop/2nd row as well. Peter Dooley from birr is a very good prop, 2 years starting on irish youths.
A development contract is a contract written by the players and club which keeps the player at the club while monitoring his development. This contract usually lasts for one season only pending a full contract and is usually used by players who will have played club rugby for 3-4 years after school and were not part of an academy

The academy is a 3 year programme involving players identified and monitored through the elite development programmes at u16, u17, u18 and u19 levels
An academy contract allows players to concentrate on rugby outside of college.

Quint2010 · 26-04-2012 09:53AM

Deleted User wrote: »

lets get Murphy playing Hooker imo.

Strauss'll learn him

Good point. He has a very similar build to Sean Cronin actually

easyeas · 26-04-2012 10:23AM

Very harsh on some of the players that are in the sub academy at the moment. Some of the schools players could do with a year in sub academy to bulk up etc and means more players would be coming through the system

thebaz · 26-04-2012 11:29AM

easyeas wrote: »

Very harsh on some of the players that are in the sub academy at the moment. Some of the schools players could do with a year in sub academy to bulk up etc and means more players would be coming through the system

what is the sub academy ? - is it different to the academy, with its year 1 , year 2 structure

seams very confusing , to me anyway

ormond lad · 26-04-2012 11:35AM

thebaz wrote: »

what is the sub academy ? - is it different to the academy, with its year 1 , year 2 structure

seams very confusing , to me anyway

The sub academy involves players who are not contracted to their province and commit their time and energies in an effort to one day make the academy grade.

Players involved in the sub academy are those that predominantly feature on various age-grade representative teams. They include a core group of players that are selected by the Academy and ratified by the Academy Board.
In addition to their club commitments, players attend training sessions throughout the year organised by the academy department. They follow a training programme ran by academy staff which includes gym, skill and fitness sessions
Players if coaches believe are good enough will then be promoted to the full academy
There is no set group of players in the sub-academy but numbers vary from 15 to 20 players each season depending on positional requirements and academy demands.

easyeas · 26-04-2012 11:44AM

ormond lad wrote: »

thebaz wrote: »

what is the sub academy ? - is it different to the academy, with its year 1 , year 2 structure

seams very confusing , to me anyway

The sub academy involves players who are not contracted to their province and commit their time and energies in an effort to one day make the academy grade.

Players involved in the sub academy are those that predominantly feature on various age-grade representative teams. They include a core group of players that are selected by the Academy and ratified by the Academy Board.
In addition to their club commitments, players attend training sessions throughout the year organised by the academy department. They follow a training programme ran by academy staff which includes gym, skill and fitness sessions
Players if coaches believe are good enough will then be promoted to the full academy
There is no set group of players in the sub-academy but numbers vary from 15 to 20 players each season depending on positional requirements and academy demands.

Pretty sure it's less then 10?
I've heard there's only 7 or 8 this year

ormond lad · 26-04-2012 11:47AM

easyeas wrote: »

Pretty sure it's less then 10?
I've heard there's only 7 or 8 this year

the sub academy would be bigger than the academy so if there is 18 in the leinster academy this season the sub academy will have more than that
the munster academy has 12-20 depending on the need and the sub academy has at least 25 players training at all times

Winters · 26-04-2012 11:48AM

One interesting aspect to note is that the stated remit of the academy is to find and develop players that can become possible full internationals. I suppose thats the unions influence seeing as they fund the four academies.

easyeas · 26-04-2012 11:58AM

ormond lad wrote: »

easyeas wrote: »

Pretty sure it's less then 10?
I've heard there's only 7 or 8 this year

the sub academy would be bigger than the academy so if there is 18 in the leinster academy this season the sub academy will have more than that
the munster academy has 12-20 depending on the need and the sub academy has at least 25 players training at all times

Leinster sub academy
Foster horan
Peter Reilly
Tadhg Beirne
Cathal Marsh
Jack Conan
Des Merrey
Barry Daly
Alan O Connor

That is it? Other players are in TIP 19s and 18s group but that isnt classed as sub academy

leinster academy

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