What are those 2 stars !

gkell2 wrote: »

Most observers know political spin when they see it besides we are not only standing on a moving Earth as it now overtakes Mars,we are also rotating which accounts for the daily return of the Sun so both motions are bound together without having to leave the planet or imagine what things look like from the Sun.Once a person comes to understand the basics of planetary dynamics through all the tools we have today,they are not going to fall for something that is false and especially Newton's unacceptable view which started these modeling and predictions agendas that are now running amok today.

Observers must be clear that the older astronomers used the background stars to gauge not only retrograde motion but the periods for each planet and they organized the structure of the solar system this way -

"Of all things visible, the highest is the heaven of the fixed stars. This, I see, is doubted by nobody. But the ancient philosophers wanted to arrange the planets in accordance with the duration of the revolutions. Their principle assumes that of objects moving equally fast, those farther away seem to travel more slowly, as is proved in Euclid's Optics. The moon revolves in the shortest period of time because, in their opinion, it runs on the smallest circle as the nearest to the earth. The highest planet, on the other hand, is Saturn, which completes the biggest circuit in the longest time. Below it is Jupiter, followed by Mars.
With regard to Venus and Mercury, however, differences of opinion are found. For, these planets do not pass through every elongation from the sun, as the other planets do. Hence Venus and Mercury are located above the sun by some authorities, like Plato's Timaeus, but below the sun by others, like Ptolemy [Syntaxis, IX, 1] and many of the modems. Al-Bitruji places Venus above the sun, and Mercury below it. " Copernicus

The ancients had the Sun moving between Venus and Mars as the 365 days it took to complete a year falls between the orbital period of 687 days for Mars and 225 days for Venus.In short there is a whole line of reasoning behind the orbital motion of the Earth that is being shortcircuited by followers of Newton who overreached with their conclusions to suit themselves.A short detour to the online orrery really helps to put observations in place,the use of the background stars and the period it takes a planet to return to the same grouping of stars -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html


To cut a long and very tangled story short,the followers of Newton introduced a rotating celestial sphere or 'right ascension' observing as it is called which completely obliterates appreciation of the motion of planets against the distant stars and to each other as they move around the Sun.The online orrery is in competition with the Ra/Dec celestial sphere which looks like this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYqh72i2mhg

It is really bad business but there is no need to swamp the reader who is unfamiliar with the issues with things they don't need but at least they can say with 100% certainty that those who follow Newton get it wrong by using all the tools we have today to affirm it.If you wish to remain with political spin for Newton's sake then good for you but effectively that is all it will be.

Biggies wrote: »

The original poster should show his son this video about how, by just observing the skies and the movements of stars and planets, a man can come about laws of planetary motion which work everywhere in the universe and challenge preconceived perceptions of his era.
The programme is over 30 years old but still valid and completely accurate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICHDl0olsS0