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Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    PauloMN wrote: »
    :D:D:D:D:D:D Best. Joke. Ever.

    £15m in hock right now, with no season ticket money for the next 3 years, and that's not counting the £49m other tax bill they have coming?

    Not to mention they're running at a loss before all the above is taken into account. Also, how many creditors are there? God knows.

    To suggest Rangers are a "prime investment" is laughable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    Someone buys them for an english pound.



    Dont care, Rangers a prime investment now.



    With someone buying them for little or nothing and getting a going concern for peanuts.



    Someone own them for nothing....sorry 1 english pound.

    Seriously lads you dont see this? Are Celtic fans that retarded they dont see this coming?

    Eh, like Craig Whyte just did you mean?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Using child abuse to make a point is fairly low but if it makes Jelle happy then so be it.
    I know, thats why I ignored it


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    Not to mention they're running at a loss before all the above is taken into account. Also, how many creditors are there? God knows.

    To suggest Rangers are a "prime investment" is laughable.

    Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Costing £10m more per year to run than their total revenues, something like that? Also those revenues could include season ticket money which now won't be around.

    If this was a prime investment, there'd be a queue of people at the doors of Ibrox. The only people queueing at Ibrox are people who are owed money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    I've it nominated for post of the year, the more I read it the more ridiculous/funny what he says is! Its the post that keeps on giving!!


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Good. Then start at the bottom again. Fine with me. No problem whatsoever.


    Absolutely. Think about it. Celtic will dominate the SPL for a good number of years to come. The media will get bored of it because it has NO competition at all. They will have little to report on. We on the other hand will be working our way back up. The hardcore will still support the club and we will be winning every week. The club needs to recognise and plan for the worst or at least this situation. Do NOT accept a place back into the SPL if it means points deductions. Go to the bottom.

    You seem to overlook the fact that the fight for 2nd place, and the resulting European football, is going to get a lot more interesting now, whether Rangers are in the SPL (in weakened form for the foreseeable), or somewhere down the depths of the lower tiers with a new name.

    Clubs like Motherwell, Hearts, Dundee Utd, maybe some others, are now suddenly looking at a situation where they could be regularly finishing 2nd and progressing further in Europe, with increased revenues to match.

    The aptly named Dreamers seems to think a club that owes millions and will be essentially f**ked for at least the next few years would be a good investment. Personally I think a top 6 SPL side that can all of a sudden tap into the additional revenues of a 2nd place finish would be a much better place to throw a few quid into, and would only need a fraction of what would have to be pumped into Rangers to even keep afloat.

    Some of these clubs will be dying to become the teams that split the "Old Firm". Things are only starting to get interesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    Dempsey wrote: »
    I've it nominated for post of the year, the more I read it the more ridiculous/funny what he says is! Its the post that keeps on giving!!

    It's a belter alright :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,747 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    dreamers75 must have been dreaming to come out with such a ridiculous post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Absolutely. Think about it. Celtic will dominate the SPL for a good number of years to come. The media will get bored of it because it has NO competition at all. They will have little to report on. We on the other hand will be working our way back up. The hardcore will still support the club and we will be winning every week. The club needs to recognise and plan for the worst or at least this situation. Do NOT accept a place back into the SPL if it means points deductions. Go to the bottom.

    So keith would rather protect a weak rangers from getting stuffed by celtic and others, by playing in another division, where they might win more games

    i understand but disagree, you shall be in the spl, where you will end up mid-table for a few years ........they have to take their oil :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    FORMER Rangers director Paul Murray says he will have assembled a team of “like-minded” businessmen by the end of this week to form a consortium to take over crisis-hit Rangers football club.

    Murray, who is heading the buyout consortium, insisted that he will also know how much money they are prepared to inject to try to convince administrators that they rescue the Premier League club.

    “By the end of next week I will have a clear view of not just the members of the consortium but how much money we think we can raise,” said Murray, who held an initial meeting with the club administrators, Duff & Phelps, on Friday.

    “The people I’m talking to have been there a long time, people who were looking at the club this time last year so the interest has always been there. It’s not like people are starting from absolute scratch.

    “The people who are expressing interest at the moment are not doing it for profit-making reasons, they’re doing it to try and rescue the club and put it on a solid foundation.”

    Murray said controversial businessman Dave King may be involved, despite his personal tax problems in South Africa. “He’s a former colleague of mine and a friend. I’d like him to be involved.” ”

    Rangers went into administration earlier this month over an unpaid £9.5 million owed to HMRC. Owner Craig Whyte took over the club last May but his financial affairs are currently the subject of a police investigation and his takeover is also being probed by the Scottish FA for potential breach of league rules.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/rangers_administration_paul_murray_in_countdown_to_rescue_rangers_1_2139723


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    FORMER Rangers director Paul Murray says he will have assembled a team of “like-minded” businessmen by the end of this week to form a consortium to take over crisis-hit Rangers football club.

    Murray, who is heading the buyout consortium, insisted that he will also know how much money they are prepared to inject to try to convince administrators that they rescue the Premier League club.

    “By the end of next week I will have a clear view of not just the members of the consortium but how much money we think we can raise,” said Murray, who held an initial meeting with the club administrators, Duff & Phelps, on Friday.

    “The people I’m talking to have been there a long time, people who were looking at the club this time last year so the interest has always been there. It’s not like people are starting from absolute scratch.

    “The people who are expressing interest at the moment are not doing it for profit-making reasons, they’re doing it to try and rescue the club and put it on a solid foundation.”

    Murray said controversial businessman Dave King may be involved, despite his personal tax problems in South Africa. “He’s a former colleague of mine and a friend. I’d like him to be involved.” ”

    Rangers went into administration earlier this month over an unpaid £9.5 million owed to HMRC. Owner Craig Whyte took over the club last May but his financial affairs are currently the subject of a police investigation and his takeover is also being probed by the Scottish FA for potential breach of league rules.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/rangers_administration_paul_murray_in_countdown_to_rescue_rangers_1_2139723
    Why didn't you answer bobbys question of explaining the Torbett sorbet comment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Getting one up on your rivals by using the suffering of child abuse victims is about as disgusting in my book as those who use the Ibrox disaster as a means to hurt Rangers supporters.
    It was a joke. In bad taste I admit. I apologise.
    Would you like to hear a joke about the ibrox disaster?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Why didn't you answer bobbys question of explaining the Torbett sorbet comment?

    Fairly sure you know what I'm talking about.
    If not, Alan Brazil could explain it to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Full interview with Paul Murray from The Scotsman.
    Paul Murray, the former Rangers director and now head of a prospective consortium interested in buying the club, has said that he will know by the end of this week the names of the “like-minded businessmen” who are going to be involved in a possible takeover bid and how much money his collective is likely to have.

    Ibrox director Dave King, he said, may be involved but Murray was confident that King’s massive tax problems in South Africa will not impact on Rangers in any way.

    King is facing 322 charges of money-laundering, racketeering, fraud and tax evasion and has, for 14 years, been pursued by the South African Revenue Services for unpaid tax of 2.7 billion rand, about £230m. King denies the charges against him, but late last year had his Stellenbosch wine estate liquidated by a government administrator. King is considered the number one target in an aggressive clampdown by the revenue services in South Africa.

    “Dave and I are mentioned as if we are joined at the hip and I respect him entirely,” said Murray, yesterday. “He’s a former colleague of mine and a friend. But Dave has got his own interests and is able to decide whether he wants to be involved or not. I’d like him to be involved, but the vision here is to make this a broadly-based offering. I don’t think it’s sustainable to have one or two or even four or five people involved, we have to spread the load. That’s the most sustainable model and Dave will look at that in his own right.

    “I don’t want to comment on Dave’s personal tax affairs but I’m sure that he will factor that into his decision of whether he wants to invest. I don’t think Dave will do anything to embarrass Rangers. I don’t have details of his tax affairs and I’ve never asked him. But knowing him well, if he felt that this was either going to be embarrassing for the club, after everything that’s happened, or he felt this would be a distraction I think he would step aside. But if he felt he could manage the situation, he might look at it differently. I would trust Dave to come to the right decision.”

    Murray has been trying to strike a balance this past week. He wants to engage with fans, and has done. He wants to present a vision that they can believe in and invest in but is wary of heightening expectations too much. “What I don’t want to do is set expectations. I’m trying to be realistic. It’s a massive problem we have. I’m positive, but I don’t want to set unrealistic deadlines.

    “I’ve never portrayed myself as a multi-millionaire. What I’m saying here is that I will obviously invest, I will put my time into it, I know the club inside out in terms of its finances, but I’m trying to bring a group of people together to come forward with a common vision. It’s quite difficult to pull together but it’s entirely possible. I’m actually staggered by the interest.”

    How many potential big-ticket investors and how much money? It’s not something he can nail down for definite right now.

    “I’m not in a position to say how much money we have, because it’s unclear. I’m not evading the question but I want to make sure that when I come out with this I have it firmed up. You were the first to say I had a pie in the sky plan the last time and I disagree with you on that. But I want to make sure this is done properly. I think it was badly presented the last time in terms of the media coverage of it. It needs to be properly formulated before I go on the record with the details.”

    A key detail is what he intends to do with the HMRC howitzer, should it arrive to the tune of £49m or anything like that sum. “I hope we can deal with the EBT tax case through the administration process. Do it all at the same time with other issues that have to be dealt with. I sat on the board for four years and we halved the debt, but that was under extreme pressure from the bank and we were lucky to have Walter Smith winning leagues, so we had Champions League money that enabled us to pay down the debt. As a consequence, though, not just the playing squad but the entire infrastructure of the club needs to be reinvested in. There’s been years of under-investment. There’s a big capital requirement going forward. Anybody buying the club has to factor that in.”

    What he’s doing is checking the commitments of those who have come forward, applying some scrutiny to the various Blue Knights who have appeared since the club imploded. “By the end of next week I will have a clear view of not just the members of the consortium but how much money we think we can raise. I’m not saying it will all be legally done [completed], but I will have a pretty clear view of the overall context of it. The people I’m talking to have been there a long time, people who were looking at the club this time last year, so the interest has always been there. It’s not like people are starting from absolute scratch, there is a level of past relationship. The people who are expressing interest at the moment are not doing it for profit-making reasons, they’re doing it to try and rescue the club and put it on a solid foundation.”

    He hasn’t spoken to Brian Kennedy, who has expressed a tentative interest in buying the club, but he would welcome a chat. “I’m only doing this so that Rangers can get into the right hands. If there’s a better consortium somewhere, I will gladly step aside or even join it. That’s possibly what might happen over time; the various interested parties might come together. I don’t see any reason why people should be competing given the scale of the problems the club has got. I would think that people with the same interests should come together and work together. We just need to take some responsibility and go and do it.”

    Easier said than done, but the coming week is a pivotal one for Murray and his team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Madam


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Fairly sure you know what I'm talking about.
    If not, Alan Brazil could explain it to you.

    Why would you bring that up? You've certainly gone downhill in my estimation of your character Jell1880:mad:

    A cornered rat comes to mind:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Fairly sure you know what I'm talking about.
    If not, Alan Brazil could explain it to you.

    absolutely disgusting remark, the toys are well and truly out of the pram at this stage.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Madam wrote: »
    Why would you bring that up? You've certainly gone downhill in my estimation of your character Jell1880:mad:

    A cornered rat comes to mind:rolleyes:

    To show the irony of Celtic fans singing their little ditty.

    There's no denying that there's a history with the ice cream and jelly thing, so to sing about it is moronic at best.

    Mind you, you won't see me at Ibrox chanting 'Big Jock Knew' or the likes, but I won't shy away from stuff like this to show the hypocrisy of some Celtic fans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    To show the irony of Celtic fans singing their little ditty.

    There's no denying that there's a history with the ice cream and jelly thing, so to sing about it is moronic at best.

    Mind you, you won't see me at Ibrox chanting 'Big Jock Knew' or the likes, but I won't shy away from stuff like this to show the hypocrisy of some Celtic fans.

    Wow....just wow.

    What a weak excuse for your sick comments, Celtic fans chant a song about partying when Rangers go bust and you think of child abuse.

    You are using the memory of children suffering to insult others just cos your upset that your football club are in difficulty.

    You can continue to make up weak excuses, dodge and deflect the issue all you like but you have just shown us all the quality of your character.

    Disgusting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    If there's one person who's dodging, deflecting,... it's you (And every Celtic fan who's confronted with it, it seems. I have yet to see one who would actually condemn what happened, rather they talk about 'How it's in bad taste to talk about it' and attack those that have the audacity to bring it up).

    This is not about scoring points, but about showing how stupid the song is.
    Or are you denying the fact that Alan Brazil was indeed given 'ice cream and jelly' by Torbett ?

    Are you really failing to see the idiocy of singing that song when your club has a disgusting history regarding it ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    If there's one person who's dodging, deflecting,... it's you (And every Celtic fan who's confronted with it, it seems. I have yet to see one who would actually condemn what happened, rather they talk about 'How it's in bad taste to talk about it' and attack those that have the audacity to bring it up).

    This is not about scoring points, but about showing how stupid the song is.
    Or are you denying the fact that Alan Brazil was indeed given 'ice cream and jelly' by Torbett ?

    Are you really failing to see the idiocy of singing that song when your club has a disgusting history regarding it ?

    I think you'll find it was ice cream topped with raspberry sauce
    not jelly!

    You lot would twist anything.....sad!

    focus on your dying club


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    If there's one person who's dodging, deflecting,... it's you (And every Celtic fan who's confronted with it, it seems. I have yet to see one who would actually condemn what happened, rather they talk about 'How it's in bad taste to talk about it' and attack those that have the audacity to bring it up).

    This is not about scoring points, but about showing how stupid the song is.
    Or are you denying the fact that Alan Brazil was indeed given 'ice cream and jelly' by Torbett ?

    Are you really failing to see the idiocy of singing that song when your club has a disgusting history regarding it ?
    Maybe we'll sing jelly and ice cream when you fall down the stairs. It's easy to see when yous are hurting, scum to the core


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    To show the irony of Celtic fans singing their little ditty.

    There's no denying that there's a history with the ice cream and jelly thing, so to sing about it is moronic at best.

    Mind you, you won't see me at Ibrox chanting 'Big Jock Knew' or the likes, but I won't shy away from stuff like this to show the hypocrisy of some Celtic fans.

    Wow....just wow.

    What a weak excuse for your sick comments, Celtic fans chant a song about partying when Rangers go bust and you think of child abuse.

    You are using the memory of children suffering to insult others just cos your upset that your football club are in difficulty.

    You can continue to make up weak excuses, dodge and deflect the issue all you like but you have just shown us all the quality of your character.

    Disgusting
    Scratch the surface enough and the cracks always appear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    If there's one person who's dodging, deflecting,... it's you (And every Celtic fan who's confronted with it, it seems. I have yet to see one who would actually condemn what happened, rather they talk about 'How it's in bad taste to talk about it' and attack those that have the audacity to bring it up).

    This is not about scoring points, but about showing how stupid the song is.
    Or are you denying the fact that Alan Brazil was indeed given 'ice cream and jelly' by Torbett ?

    Are you really failing to see the idiocy of singing that song when your club has a disgusting history regarding it ?

    are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, is that post there actually for real? I don't even know where to start with such highly inflammatory drivel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    If there's one person who's dodging, deflecting,... it's you (And every Celtic fan who's confronted with it, it seems. I have yet to see one who would actually condemn what happened, rather they talk about 'How it's in bad taste to talk about it' and attack those that have the audacity to bring it up).

    This is not about scoring points, but about showing how stupid the song is.
    Or are you denying the fact that Alan Brazil was indeed given 'ice cream and jelly' by Torbett ?

    Are you really failing to see the idiocy of singing that song when your club has a disgusting history regarding it ?

    No dodging here mate, child sex abuse are the most horrific of crimes committed by the lowest of the low. I completely condemn the abuse suffered by Brazil.

    False, you should do your own research rather than rely on some your mates at FF who twist things to suit their own hate filled agenda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    No dodging here mate, child sex abuse are the most horrific of crimes committed by the lowest of the low. I completely condemn the abuse suffered by Brazil.

    False, you should do your own research rather than rely on some your mates at FF who twist things to suit their own hate filled agenda.

    What's false ?
    Brazil said it himself.

    edit: And again the standard replies come out.
    'How dare you use child abuse to score points'

    It has nothing to do with 'scoring points'.
    That's like accusing the people who are calling out the Vatican for it's cover-up of 'scoring points'.
    Some on here seem like they would rather keep it all hushed up, like it never happened.

    I didn't post that in a 'Haha, your club abused kids' kind of way, I did it to show that, given the history, singing about 'ice cream and jelly' is... odd, to say the least.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Can't believe I'm reading what I am reading here to be quite honest. I'm astounded that you would pull child abuse out as a retort to the "Jelly and Ice Cream" banter. :eek:

    You can be guaranteed that if something can be brought down to the lowest levels of depravity, it'll be a Dignity FC fan that does it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Madam


    Where are the mods on this forum to allow such offensive posts from Jelle to continue(and him justifying the reasons for posting them)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Can't believe I'm reading what I am reading here to be quite honest. I'm astounded that you would pull child abuse out as a retort to the "Jelly and Ice Cream" banter. :eek:

    You can be guaranteed that if something can be brought down to the lowest levels of depravity, it'll be a Dignity FC fan that does it.
    This is standard patter for Jelle, he's well known for it on ff and was only a matter of time before it came out on here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭ozymandias10


    I am new here can someone explain to me in a pm what the reference mentioned relates to


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    I am new here can someone explain to me in a pm what the reference mentioned relates to

    Celtic were embroiled in a child abuse case in the 90's, with the abuse taking place at Celtic boys club in the 60's.
    Celtic have been accused in the past of covering it up, or at least not reporting it to the proper authorites.

    Personally i don't feel it is something that should be used as a way of hitting back at Celtic fans in any way whatsoever. I do believe that there are issues which arise from the whole situation which have never been properly discussed or debated, however it should not be turned into a chant from the stands in my honest opinion, and to be honest it has nothing to do with this thread.

    That said, the Celtic fans getting on their high horse regarding it, need only look to the constant referal to they way their own fans constantly refer to the Murder of Mark Scott as a way of tarring all of the Rangers support with the one brush for an example of how both sets of fans can stoop to levels which are pretty shocking.


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