Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

KeithAFC · 17-02-2012 12:24PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

The more you read about this rangers debacle the more you think this shower should be put out of business for good. Rangers FC is fundamentally rotten to the core.

Scottish football needs rid of Rangers as they currently exist. They should be wound up. A new club could be started instead that can tap into some of the support that the old rotten Rangers had. The new Rangers could start with a blank sheet, with no sectarian baggage and corrupt financial practices.

You can kill the man but not the idea.

bobmalooka · 17-02-2012 12:31PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

You can kill the man but not the idea.

Exactly the new rangers will be just as bigoted as the old rangers.

KeithAFC · 17-02-2012 12:34PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Exactly the new rangers will be just as bigoted as the old rangers.

Get over it then. Support Celtic.

bobmalooka · 17-02-2012 12:37PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Get over it then. Support Celtic.

Will do. will a new rangers mean ye cant pass off your illegal practices as tradition or will ye find a way to get around that?

Coillte_Bhoy · 17-02-2012 12:38PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Get over it then. Support Celtic.

So you wont have a problem with that then? Ok

KeithAFC · 17-02-2012 12:47PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

So you wont have a problem with that then? Ok

The same old rambling? Heard it all before. I don't think too many Rangers fans even entertainment the drivel any more.

bobmalooka · 17-02-2012 01:15PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

The same old rambling? Heard it all before. I don't think too many Rangers fans even entertainment the drivel any more.

I dont expect you lot to be entertained when your bigoted club is shown for what it is.

KeithAFC · 17-02-2012 01:26PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

I dont expect you lot to be entertained when your bigoted club is shown for what it is.

Same old soundbites. Nothing new in this ranting and raving.

Jelle1880 · 17-02-2012 02:00PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Will do. will a new rangers mean ye cant pass off your illegal practices as tradition or will ye find a way to get around that?

That's rich, aren't there several Celtic fans who see support for the IRA as 'part of it's Irish heritage and traditions' ?

As for some of the comments here: If you hate us so much, **** off to the Celtic thread.
Simple, really.

We're 'rotten, bigoted, sectarian' ?
Fine, don't come in here if it bothers you so much.

Dempsey · 17-02-2012 02:11PM

Jelle, just out of curiosity, what nationality are you?

premierstone · 17-02-2012 02:17PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That's rich, aren't there several Celtic fans who see support for the IRA as 'part of it's Irish heritage and traditions' ?

Your use of quotation marks there would suggest you are directly quoting someone, can you reveal who these several Celtic fans are that support an organisation that no longer exists

bobbysands81 · 17-02-2012 02:21PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Jelle, just out of curiosity, what nationality are you?

[Dutch I think]

...and how did you choose Rangers as your team?

_blank_ · 17-02-2012 02:34PM

weird isn't it, someone supporting a team in a country not their own.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-02-2012 02:38PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Exactly the new rangers will be just as bigoted as the old rangers.

Ya cause Celtic fans are all saints;)

Eirebear · 17-02-2012 02:40PM

premierstone wrote: »

Your use of quotation marks there would suggest you are directly quoting someone, can you reveal who these several Celtic fans are that support an organisation that no longer exists

I didnt really want this thread to go down this route - but are you seriously asking that question?
The Boys of the Old Brigade and Roll of Honour are fairly standard fixtures on the songsheet, home and away.

I don't particularly care what they sing tbh - but arent these songs in relation to that defunct organisation you speak of?

mike65 · 17-02-2012 02:51PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That's rich, aren't there several Celtic fans who see support for the IRA as 'part of it's Irish heritage and traditions' ?

As for some of the comments here: If you hate us so much, **** off to the Celtic thread.
Simple, really.

We're 'rotten, bigoted, sectarian' ?
Fine, don't come in here if it bothers you so much.

premierstone wrote: »

Your use of quotation marks there would suggest you are directly quoting someone, can you reveal who these several Celtic fans are that support an organisation that no longer exists

These are "quotation" marks, the use of 'these marks' is to ascribe something to a person/place/thing. Context is important as is personal style preferences some people never use " " some never use ' '. Formal style guides suggest ' ' should be used for ascribing meaning, concepts, glossary explanations, etc.

premierstone · 17-02-2012 03:15PM

Des wrote: »

weird isn't it, someone supporting a team in a country not their own.

No one said it was weird, it was merely asked as to how it came about, see the basic difference been that Holland have a league that is signiificanly higher in quality and standard that the glorified pub league that is the LOI

We really should set you up a little thread of your own where you can randomly pop in and slate all those who support teams outside their country of birth and where you can shine up that chip on your shoulder, build a bridge man :rolleyes:

premierstone · 17-02-2012 03:24PM

Eirebear wrote: »

I don't particularly care what they sing tbh - but arent these songs in relation to that defunct organisation you speak of?

No The boys of the old brigade is about the 1916 freedom fighters and Roll of Honour is about the hunger strikers, the first one has absolutely no connection to the IRA as they wer known in the last 3o years and the second one is about 10 young men that were basically allowed to die by the British government, the song is not as such a song glorifying their political or terrorist activities but more a song of outrage of how the 10 were allowed to die in some sort of effort to save face.

And even if we were to accept that they were songs glorifying the PIRA how does the fact that some fans sing them establish the theory that Celltic fans see supporting the IRA as part of Irish tradition?? Why do Rangers fans sing The Billy Boys and what traditions are they upholding by doing so??

Jelle1880 · 17-02-2012 03:34PM

premierstone wrote: »

No The boys of the old brigade is about the 1916 freedom fighters and Roll of Honour is about the hunger strikers, the first one has absolutely no connection to the IRA as they wer known in the last 3o years and the second one is about 10 young men that were basically allowed to die by the British government, the song is not as such a song glorifying their political or terrorist activities but more a song of outrage of how the 10 were allowed to die in some sort of effort to save face.

And even if we were to accept that they were songs glorifying the PIRA how does the fact that some fans sing them establish the theory that Celltic fans see supporting the IRA as part of Irish tradition?? Why do Rangers fans sing The Billy Boys and what traditions are they upholding by doing so??

The Hunger Strikers, who were all affiliated to the IRA or INLA ?
The same song that mentions to keep up the fight ?

Aye, pull the other one.

The quotation marks weren't aimed at anyone in particular.
It was more meant as a way to show that that argument (The songs are supposedly traditional and part of the Irish heritage) has been used in the past.

I'm Belgian btw.

bobbysands81 · 17-02-2012 03:39PM

Des wrote: »

weird isn't it, someone supporting a team in a country not their own.

Why do you bother?

You come on this thread, snipe, refuse to debate and then run away.

Do you post similar such musings as this one on EPL threads?

bobbysands81 · 17-02-2012 03:40PM

premierstone wrote: »

No one said it was weird, it was merely asked as to how it came about, see the basic difference been that Holland have a league that is signiificanly higher in quality and standard that the glorified pub league that is the LOI We really should set you up a little thread of your own where you can randomly pop in and slate all those who support teams outside their country of birth and where you can shine up that chip on your shoulder, build a bridge man :rolleyes:

Chip? He has a potato field on his shoulder... sure his Shels buddies are renowned for singing The Famine Song themselves.

bobbysands81 · 17-02-2012 03:42PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

The Hunger Strikers, who were all affiliated to the IRA or INLA ?
The same song that mentions to keep up the fight ?

Aye, pull the other one.

The quotation marks weren't aimed at anyone in particular.
It was more meant as a way to show that that argument (The songs are supposedly traditional and part of the Irish heritage) has been used in the past.

I'm Belgian btw.

The same Hunger Strikers who were also elected members of both the British and Irish parliaments?

Dempsey · 17-02-2012 03:44PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I'm Belgian btw.

So you know a fair bit about oppression, giving and receiving. :rolleyes:

Surely you can fathom an Irish perspective even though you clearly know very little about Irish History

Jelle1880 · 17-02-2012 03:44PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The same Hunger Strikers who were also elected members of both the British and Irish parliaments?

Are you denying they were all affiliated with said groups ?

The_Kew_Tour · 17-02-2012 03:47PM

Only in a Celtic/Rangers thread could a topic go from Football to Politics.

Eirebear · 17-02-2012 03:48PM

premierstone wrote: »

No The boys of the old brigade is about the 1916 freedom fighters and Roll of Honour is about the hunger strikers, the first one has absolutely no connection to the IRA as they wer known in the last 3o years and the second one is about 10 young men that were basically allowed to die by the British government, the song is not as such a song glorifying their political or terrorist activities but more a song of outrage of how the 10 were allowed to die in some sort of effort to save face.

And even if we were to accept that they were songs glorifying the PIRA how does the fact that some fans sing them establish the theory that Celltic fans see supporting the IRA as part of Irish tradition?? Why do Rangers fans sing The Billy Boys and what traditions are they upholding by doing so??

Firstly.
You asked the question, let's drop the condescending tone ok?
I've already stated that i don't have an issue with the songs, on many occasions.

Yes, Boys of the Old Brigade references 1916. However, and you're an intelligent guy, do you really believe that everyone makes that distinction?
It's similar to songs that Rangers fans sing about the Ulster Volunteers Force, i have no doubt in my mind that there are large elements who just hear the "UVF" and instantly equate it with the modern day version.

You know it, and I know it.

Same goes for Roll of Honour.
Personally, i have great respect for those men who died for their beliefs, for their cause and in the hope that they could make things better for those around them, and nothing but hatred for Thatcher's government.
However, each and every one of those men was either a member of the PIRA, or the INLA no?
It may be Irish History and Tradition - it doesnt mean everyone is going to welcome it.

bobbysands81 · 17-02-2012 03:48PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Are you denying they were all affiliated with said groups ?

Not in the slightest. Are you denying that some of them were members of British parliament and the Dáil?

Apologies for getting your nationality wrong btw.

bobbysands81 · 17-02-2012 03:49PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Only in a Celtic/Rangers thread could a topic go from Football to Politics.

Only in a Celtic/Rangers thread could there be mock outrage when a topic goes from Football to Politics.

Eirebear · 17-02-2012 03:50PM

Oh yeah, as for The Billy Boys.

Must be a long time since you were at a Rangers match.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-02-2012 03:50PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Only in a Celtic/Rangers thread could there be mock outrage when a topic goes from Football to Politics.

explain that?

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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