Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-01-2012 11:35PM

the_blackstuff wrote: »

Anybody know what the story is with Will Chambers? I thought he was gone but he was named in the squad for saturday. I have been happy enough to chance him until the summer if it was possible to hold him.

Short term contract expiring in March has fallen down the pecking order because the powers that be have decided not to give him a long term contract and he won't sign one till the summer cause it would leave him out of work for the S15.

At least thats what I've heard.

Zander1983 · 11-01-2012 11:41PM

will chambers aint much good, no loss

Zander1983 · 11-01-2012 11:41PM

will chambers aint much good, no loss

CiaranMT · 11-01-2012 11:50PM

Fireball07 wrote: »

What the **** is he doing with a Shannon scarf???

Death of Colm Tucker?

PhatPiggins · 11-01-2012 11:55PM

Zander1983 wrote: »

will chambers aint much good, no loss

He's not the finished article but he has plenty of potential. I'd rather give him a project player spot then continue banging our heads off the wall with Mafi/Deasy/Gleeson

ed7890 · 12-01-2012 12:01AM

Chambers wasn't the finished article but he looked like he could become exactly what we needed, big center who could break the line and offload. In fairness to the guy whenever he played he put in an honest performance, and did he fair share of work in defence. Remember the game against the Saints, and the 40 phases. We were going nowhere on the halfway line, and it was Chambers that broke though and made us some crucial yards.

CiaranMT · 12-01-2012 12:05AM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

He's not the finished article but he has plenty of potential. I'd rather give him a project player spot then continue banging our heads off the wall with Mafi/Deasy/Gleeson

I'd keep Mafi but Deasy and Gleeson, etc, have to be cut loose. They're not going to be the players that win us another HC.

PhatPiggins · 12-01-2012 12:44AM

CiaranMT wrote: »

I'd keep Mafi but Deasy and Gleeson, etc, have to be cut loose. They're not going to be the players that win us another HC.

They're not even going to be league standard players at this stage. The point regarding Mafi is trying/expecting things from him that just aren't in his skill set. He was at his best for Munster when he plays to his strengths and playing alonside a certain type of player i.e.Rua Tipoki

CatFromHue · 12-01-2012 01:00AM

Munster are linked with Casey Lualua according to some random Rugby paper I saw in the shops on Sunday. What truth is in this I've no idea though, I can't find a link for it either as I've forgotten the paper's name.

Seemingly they approached him before he signed for Cardiff, and this I do have a link for!
"There were a few teams including Munster who approached me, but having spoken to Dai Young and Bob Norster I was impressed with the way they went about the whole process and the way things were conducted."
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/3461.php

The salary cap comes into place next season so financially it could be beneficial for him to move.

Amazotheamazing · 12-01-2012 01:10AM

CiaranMT wrote: »

I'd keep Mafi but Deasy and Gleeson, etc, have to be cut loose. They're not going to be the players that win us another HC.

Either could be handy players if they played in one position week-in, week-out, at a high enough level. We can't give them that and for their own sakes they should move. Deasy, in particular, is young enough to make it somewhere else.

Amazotheamazing · 12-01-2012 01:13AM

ed7890 wrote: »

Chambers wasn't the finished article but he looked like he could become exactly what we needed, big center who could break the line and offload. In fairness to the guy whenever he played he put in an honest performance, and did he fair share of work in defence. Remember the game against the Saints, and the 40 phases. We were going nowhere on the halfway line, and it was Chambers that broke though and made us some crucial yards.

Yeah, Chambers has been unlucky, but part of me wonders if he got some offer back in Oz or Japan. Munster might have had plans to extend his contract til May but if they know he won't be around after Feb, and he's a work-in-progress, is there much point giving him games when we could be working on Zebo, Barnes or O'Dea? Imo, we're better off sticking with players who could be with us in April.

PhatPiggins · 12-01-2012 01:21AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Munster are linked with Casey Lualua according to some random Rugby paper I saw in the shops on Sunday. What truth is in this I've no idea though, I can't find a link for it either as I've forgotten the paper's name.

Seemingly they approached him before he signed for Cardiff, and this I do have a link for!
"There were a few teams including Munster who approached me, but having spoken to Dai Young and Bob Norster I was impressed with the way they went about the whole process and the way things were conducted."
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/3461.php

The salary cap comes into place next season so financially it could be beneficial for him to move.

Thought Lualua ha dsigned precontract stuff with Toulouse

Amazo I think if Munster offered Chambers a long term contract he would stay. O Dea and Zebo are wingers and Barnes hasn't shown much of a range of skills to suggest he'll develop much further (I accept he's young and still learning). I think we need to be developing a couple of guys in the hope at least one of them works out. For me that would be both Barnes and Chambers and I'd get rid of Deasy,Gleeson,Williams and Cusack to pay for them.

Fireball07 · 12-01-2012 01:23AM

Any chance Hanrahan will make the step up at centre this year? At pro12 level anyway?

Amazotheamazing · 12-01-2012 01:24AM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Thought Lualua ha dsigned precontract stuff with Toulouse

Amazo I think if Munster offered Chambers a long term contract he would stay. O Dea and Zebo are wingers and Barnes hasn't shown much of a range of skills to suggest he'll develop much further (I accept he's young and still learning). I think we need to be developing a couple of guys in the hope at least one of them works out. For me that would be both Barnes and Chambers and I'd get rid of Deasy,Gleeson,Williams and Cusack to pay for them.

We can't sign him as a project player if we're keeping Borlase, so we'd have to sign him as as NIQ. At that rate we'd be as well off breaking the bank and going for a proven player. I like Chambers, he's a hard worker and he's looked good, but the new rules rule players like him out.

ed7890 · 12-01-2012 01:28AM

Ya, I wonder if any young players might break through in the center. I think Hanrahan, Troy Smith and Cory Hircock all play in the center. Maybe the management are confident one of those will make a break through soon. I know Troy is back from injury soon.

PhatPiggins · 12-01-2012 01:29AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

We can't sign him as a project player if we're keeping Borlase, so we'd have to sign him as as NIQ. At that rate we'd be as well off breaking the bank and going for a proven player. I like Chambers, he's a hard worker and he's looked good, but the new rules rule players like him out.

Borlase

I'd forgotten about that 19 stone bag of sand. Has he found his level in the AIL yet or are we still pretending he's B&I Cup standard?

Fireball07 · 12-01-2012 01:34AM

ed7890 wrote: »

Ya, I wonder if any young players might break through in the center. I think Hanrahan, Troy Smith and Cory Hircock all play in the center. Maybe the management are confident one of those will make a break through soon. I know Troy is back from injury soon.

I don't know much about Smith/Hircock. What age is Hircock now? I've heard people talking about him for a good while now if I'm not mistaken.

If they don't, we'll have to try and raid Ulster/Leinster/Connacht which is not ideal. (Mainly because we'll probably be left with their 2nd/3rd choice players)

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Borlase I'd forgotten about that 19 stone bag of sand. Has he found his level in the AIL yet or are we still pretending he's B&I Cup standard?

Who's idea was it to sign him...?? I mean was he showing potential before he signed for Munster?

Amazotheamazing · 12-01-2012 01:38AM

Fireball07 wrote: »

I don't know much about Smith/Hircock. What age is Hircock now? I've heard people talking about him for a good while now if I'm not mistaken.

If they don't, we'll have to try and raid Ulster/Leinster/Connacht which is not ideal. (Mainly because we'll probably be left with their 2nd/3rd choice players)

Who's idea was it to sign him...?? I mean was he showing potential before he signed for Munster?

Hircock is 20 or 21 I think, he was on the fringe of the Irish u20's last year, iirc. Hanrahan is still pretty young, he was one of the youngest for the u20's last year.

Hard to know where any of them stand, tbh.

Actually, just checked, both have played a good bit for the A team this year, so they might not be that far from Pro12 squads.

Amazotheamazing · 12-01-2012 01:46AM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Borlase I'd forgotten about that 19 stone bag of sand. Has he found his level in the AIL yet or are we still pretending he's B&I Cup standard?

Borlase has started 3 pro12 games and come off the bench in 3 pro 12 games. I've absolutely no idea how people have such hard and fast opinions about him, we've barely seen him. Our scrum was a fiasco last season, let's see what he's like if he can get fit.

CiaranMT · 12-01-2012 01:56AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Munster are linked with Casey Lualua according to some random Rugby paper I saw in the shops on Sunday. What truth is in this I've no idea though, I can't find a link for it either as I've forgotten the paper's name.

Seemingly they approached him before he signed for Cardiff, and this I do have a link for!
"There were a few teams including Munster who approached me, but having spoken to Dai Young and Bob Norster I was impressed with the way they went about the whole process and the way things were conducted."
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/3461.php

The salary cap comes into place next season so financially it could be beneficial for him to move.

That'd be a very good signing.

profitius · 12-01-2012 12:33PM

Fireball07 wrote: »

Any chance Hanrahan will make the step up at centre this year? At pro12 level anyway?

They're keeping him under wraps. Maybe trying to polish a few areas of his game. I havn't seen much of him but from what I've seen we might be seeing Hanrahan vs Sexton debates sooner than we think.

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Hircock is 20 or 21 I think, he was on the fringe of the Irish u20's last year, iirc. Hanrahan is still pretty young, he was one of the youngest for the u20's last year.

Hard to know where any of them stand, tbh.

Actually, just checked, both have played a good bit for the A team this year, so they might not be that far from Pro12 squads.

Have you seen Cian Bohane play? Hes in the academy too and it says hes a center.

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Borlase has started 3 pro12 games and come off the bench in 3 pro 12 games. I've absolutely no idea how people have such hard and fast opinions about him, we've barely seen him. Our scrum was a fiasco last season, let's see what he's like if he can get fit.

He was a bit of a disaster though. Made no improvement on the scrums. I think part of his problem is that hes a tall prop. Same height as Hayes but wouldn't be as powerful. Is he playing UBL rugby these days? It might be best in the short term for his confidence etc. Archer and Ryan seem to have passes him out so I don't think we'll be seeing too much of him.

WeeBushy · 12-01-2012 06:12PM

profitius wrote: »

They're keeping him under wraps. Maybe trying to polish a few areas of his game. I havn't seen much of him but from what I've seen we might be seeing Hanrahan vs Sexton debates sooner than we think.

Do you see his future at OH or centre?

profitius · 12-01-2012 06:18PM

WeeBushy wrote: »

Do you see his future at OH or centre?

OH, just to make the most of his talents. They could go the Dan Carter route. Start him off in the center and then move him to OH. Depends on his kicking too.

Against England in last years U20 he started at 12 but was playing both roles. Himself and Cathal Marsh combined well together and were switching between 12 and 10. Hanrahan took the kicks.

danthefan · 12-01-2012 06:47PM

Fairly odd method of development, not playing him.

WeeBushy · 12-01-2012 06:47PM

From an Ireland pov I would hope OH as well. There are more centres coming through than OHs.

profitius · 12-01-2012 07:02PM

danthefan wrote: »

Fairly odd method of development, not playing him.

Thats the Munster way.

Amazotheamazing · 12-01-2012 07:10PM

That is a frankly massive level of hype.

Fireball07 · 12-01-2012 08:17PM

WeeBushy wrote: »

From an Ireland pov I would hope OH as well. There are more centres coming through than OHs.

Not in Munster though. Not yet, anyway.

And if they want Keatley to be the new out-half, he's only 24 and has lots of talent.

the_blackstuff · 12-01-2012 08:33PM

I know Chambers isn't irish but i think he would have been worth a punt over a longer contact. He showed more for me in a few games than some of the guys we have been hanging on to for a few years and getting nowhere with.

How good is Hanrahan? Always struck me to be a bit nice nice and not so one for making hard yards.

profitius · 12-01-2012 09:00PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

That is a frankly massive level of hype.

I did put a few 'ifs' in too.

He could go the way of Jeremy Staunton but I doubt it. You can never know though.

the_blackstuff wrote: »

I know Chambers isn't irish but i think he would have been worth a punt over a longer contact. He showed more for me in a few games than some of the guys we have been hanging on to for a few years and getting nowhere with.

How good is Hanrahan? Always struck me to be a bit nice nice and not so one for making hard yards.

He looks like a player who tries to play the ball away before contact. Is that what you mean? Its not a bad habit to have.

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